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     1. 07:15 AM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Bob Hodo)
     2. 11:57 AM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
     3. 12:02 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
     4. 12:05 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
     5. 02:43 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Brock Windsor)
     6. 04:20 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
     7. 05:25 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Andrew Kuzyk)
     8. 07:04 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
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| Subject:  | Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? | 
      
      I was the one who suggested you get an optical tach to calibrate your facto
      ry one.
      
      Your tach displays rpms, and records hours based on revolutions of the cran
      kshaft.- These are two separate things.- One does not affect the other.
      
      Since you have the HC stc, you technically have a redline rpm of 2650 now.
      - This issue has been hashed out many times, but in the end it comes down
       to this:- There is no FAA requirement that your tach be accurate.- But
       it is a good idea for you to know how fast the prop is turning.- The eng
      ine itself can handle exceeding redline, especially as long as there is a l
      oad on the prop, (not in a dive), but the prop gets stressed disproportiona
      tely as rpm produces high tip speeds.
      
      Bottom line, you need to know your true rpm, but you do not have to have th
      at number displayed in the cockpit.
      
      Bob Hodo
      GADsden, AL
      
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      From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>
      Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?
      
      HI Barry,
      Sounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical handheld like s
      omeone suggested earlier. -I just had the top done and am still in the br
      eak in period.
      My FBO is at 1066
      My AME told me not to exceed 2600-Andrew=0A=0A
      
      On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
      Andrew:
      What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"?
      Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L?
      What altitude?
      Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650?=0A
      Barry
      
      On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:
      =0AHi David,
      I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flying a Traveler.-
      Andrew-
      
      Sent from my iPhone
      On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote:
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| Subject:  | Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? | 
      
      You should be able to turn 2700 RPM at 5000 feet easily.=0A=0A=0A__________
      ______________________=0AFrom: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0ATo: teamgr
      umman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:47 PM=0ASubje
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      Vogt wrote:=0A=0Ado you have high compression pistons?=0A>what pitch is you
      r prop?=0A>do you have a power flow?=0A>do you have wheel pants?=0A>=0A>=0A
      >A friend of mine had a 74 Traveler. -No Power Flow. -We cleaned it up.
       -It would True at 137 knots.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>____________________________
      ____=0A>From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0A>To: "teamgrumman-list@matr
      onics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>=0A>Sent: Friday, September 30, 
      2011 8:26 AM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A>
      =0A>=0A>Hi David,=0A>=0A>=0A>I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flyin
      g a Traveler.-=0A>=0A>=0A>Andrew-=0A>=0A>Sent from my iPhone=0A>=0A>On 
      Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Andrew....Wh
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| Subject:  | Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? | 
      
      Your AME or A&P is incorrect. -If you have new cylinders, you should run 
      at maximum load, minimum of 75% power, for the first 30-40 hours. -=0A=0A
      For what it's worth, I break in an engine at 2500 feet to 4500 feet in a ra
      cetrack pattern. -I run flat out. -If it's 2800 rpm, then so be it. -
      Look on my website under technical. -It give a break-in procedure. -=0A
      =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.c
      om>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, September 30, 2011
       7:36 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A=0A=0AHI
       Barry,=0A=0ASounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical ha
      ndheld like someone suggested earlier. -I just had the top done and am st
      ill in the break in period.=0A=0AMy FBO is at 1066=0A=0AMy AME told me not 
      to exceed 2600-=0AAndrew =0A=0A=0AOn Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE 
      wrote:=0A=0AAndrew:=0A>=0A>=0A>What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"?=0A>
      =0A>=0A>Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L?=0A>=0A>=0A>What alt
      itude?=0A>=0A>=0A>Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650?=0A>
      =0A>=0A>Barry=0A>=0A>=0A>On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <an
      drew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>Hi David,=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I max out at 2600 rpm
       with my 0 320. I'm flying a Traveler.-=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Andrew-=0A>>=0A>>
      Sent from my iPhone=0A>>=0A>>On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.CO
      M wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Andrew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?- How ab
      out =0A2500 or 2600 RPM.- (75% =0Apower).-=0A>>>=0A>>>David =0A>>>st">h
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      Tip speeds are only an issue above 3400 RPM.=0A=0A=0A______________________
      __________=0AFrom: Bob Hodo <bob.hodo@yahoo.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@mat
      ronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:13 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGru
      mman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A=0A=0AI was the one who suggested you g
      et an optical tach to calibrate your factory one.=0A=0AYour tach displays r
      pms, and records hours based on revolutions of the crankshaft.- These are
       two separate things.- One does not affect the other.=0A=0ASince you have
       the HC stc, you technically have a redline rpm of 2650 now.- This issue 
      has been hashed out many times, but in the end it comes down to this:- Th
      ere is no FAA requirement that your tach be accurate.- But it is a good i
      dea for you to know how fast the prop is turning.- The engine itself can 
      handle exceeding redline, especially as long as there is a load on the prop
      , (not in a dive), but the prop gets stressed disproportionately as rpm pro
      duces high tip speeds.=0A=0ABottom line, you need to know your true rpm, bu
      t you do not have to have that number displayed in the=0A cockpit.=0A=0ABob
       Hodo=0AGADsden, AL=0A=0A--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.co
      m> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0A>Subject: Re: Te
      amGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.co
      m=0A>Date: Friday, September 30, 2011, 9:36 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>HI Barry,=0A>=0A>
      =0A>Sounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical handheld li
      ke someone suggested earlier. -I just had the top done and am still in th
      e break in period.=0A>=0A>=0A>My FBO is at 1066=0A>=0A>=0A>My AME told me n
      ot to exceed 2600-=0A>Andrew =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM
      , FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A>=0A>Andrew:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>What do you mean "Max out at
       2600 RPM"?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L?
      =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>What altitude?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Do you have the HC STC with the
       limit on RPM at 2650?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Barry=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Fri, Sep 30, 20
      11 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Hi David,
      =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flying a Travele
      r.-=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Andrew-=0A>>>=0A>>>Sent from my iPhone=0A>>>=0A>>>
      On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>And
      rew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?- How about =0A2500 or 2600 RPM.
      - (75% =0Apower).-=0A>>>>=0A>>>>David =0A>>>>st">http://www.matronics.c
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      Tip speeds would be at a lower RPM for a Tiger since it has a longer prop r
      ight? What would those be?
      
      
      --- On Sat, 10/1/11, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
      
      
      From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
      Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?
      
      
      Tip speeds are only an issue above 3400 RPM.
      
      
      From: Bob Hodo <bob.hodo@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:13 AM
      Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?
      
      
      I was the one who suggested you get an optical tach to calibrate your facto
      ry one.
      
      Your tach displays rpms, and records hours based on revolutions of the cran
      kshaft.- These are two separate things.- One does not affect the other.
      
      Since you have the HC stc, you technically have a redline rpm of 2650 now.
      - This issue has been hashed out many times, but in the end it comes down
       to this:- There is no FAA requirement that your tach be accurate.- But
       it is a good idea for you to know how fast the prop is turning.- The eng
      ine itself can handle exceeding redline, especially as long as there is a l
      oad on the prop, (not in a dive), but the prop gets stressed disproportiona
      tely as rpm produces high tip speeds.
      
      Bottom line, you need to know your true rpm, but you do not have to have th
      at number displayed in the cockpit.
      
      Bob Hodo
      GADsden, AL
      
      --- On Fri, 9/30/11, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:
      
      
      From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>
      Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?
      
      
      HI Barry,
      
      
      Sounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical handheld like s
      omeone suggested earlier. -I just had the top done and am still in the br
      eak in period.
      
      
      My FBO is at 1066
      
      
      My AME told me not to exceed 2600-
      
      
      Andrew
      
      
      On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
      
      Andrew:
      
      
      What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"?
      
      
      Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L?
      
      
      What altitude?
      
      
      Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650?
      
      
      Barry
      
      
      On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:
      
      
      Hi David,
      
      
      I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flying a Traveler.-
      
      
      Andrew-
      
      Sent from my iPhone
      
      
      On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote:
      
      
      Andrew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?- How about 2500 or 2600 RPM.
      - (75% power).-
      
      David
      
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      76*3.14=238.76 inches=0A238.76/12=19.897 feet=0ASpeed of sound at 20=B0
      C = (approx) 1120 feet per second=0A-or 67200 feet per minute=0A=0A6720
      0/19.9 = (approx) 3377 rpm.=0A=0ATransonic begins about 0.8 Mach=0A=0Aso,
       a conservative estimate would be 2700 rpm.=0A=0Arealistically, you can loo
      k at the pressure increase limit as .92 Mach or 3100 RPM.=0A=0AI've seen 30
      50 RPM on my Tiger.=0A=0ACheetah:=0A=0A74*3.14=232.5 inches=0A238.76/12
      =19.37 feet=0ASpeed of sound at 20=B0C = (approx) 1120 feet per second
      =0A-or 67200 feet per minute=0A=0A67200/19.37 = 3469 rpm=0A=0Aat .92 Ma
      ch you get 3192 RPM.=0A=0AI've seen 3250 rpm on a-Cheetah=0A=0A----------
      ------------------------=0A=0AOf course . . . -this is only meaningful fo
      r certain conditions. -The speed of sound in air is dependent on OAT and 
      the density of the air. -So, depending on how high you fly or the OAT, th
      e speed of sound will change. -=0A=0A=0A=0A==========
      ======0AOn another note . . . . . -Rare Bear turns a 12 foot di
      ameter prop at 3200 rpm.=0A=0A12*3.14=37.7=0A=0A67200/37.7 = 1782.5 RPM
      .=0A=0AHis tip speed is WAY over Mach 1. -The last half of the blade is g
      oing supersonic.=0A=0A================0AThe f
      irst plane to go 400 mph was the Chance-Vought Corsair. -=0AR-2800. -27
      00 rpm redline.=0A13 foot 4 inch propeller. -=0A=0A13.3333*3.14 = 41.88
      =0A=0A67200/41.88 = 1604 rpm. -=0A=0A===========
      ====0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: B
      rock Windsor <n2_narcosis@yahoo.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
      =0ASent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 2:41 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List:
       cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A=0A=0ATip speeds would be at a lower RPM for a Ti
      ger since it has a longer prop right? What would those be?=0A=0A=0A--- On S
      at, 10/1/11, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: Gary V
      ogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 
      2375 rpm?=0A>To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matroni
      cs.com>=0A>Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 2:02 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>Tip speeds a
      re only an issue above 3400 RPM.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>___________________________
      _____=0A> From: Bob Hodo <bob.hodo@yahoo.com>=0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matro
      nics.com=0A>Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:13 AM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGru
      mman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A>=0A>=0A>I was the one who suggested yo
      u get an optical tach to calibrate your factory one.=0A>=0A>Your tach displ
      ays rpms, and records hours based on revolutions of the crankshaft.- Thes
      e are two separate things.- One does not affect the other.=0A>=0A>Since y
      ou have the HC stc, you technically have a redline rpm of 2650 now.- This
       issue has been hashed out many times, but in the end it comes down to this
      :- There is no FAA requirement that your tach be accurate.- But it is a
       good idea for you to know how fast the prop is turning.- The engine itse
      lf can handle exceeding redline, especially as long as there is a load on t
      he prop, (not in a dive), but the prop gets stressed disproportionately as 
      rpm produces high tip speeds.=0A>=0A>Bottom line, you need to know your tru
      e rpm, but you do not have to have that number displayed in the cockpit.=0A
      >=0A>Bob Hodo=0A>GADsden, AL=0A>=0A>--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Andrew Kuzyk <andr
      ew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>>From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0A>>
      Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A>>To: teamgrumman-l
      ist@matronics.com=0A>>Date: Friday, September 30, 2011, 9:36 PM=0A>>=0A>>
      =0A>>HI Barry, =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Sounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to 
      try an optical handheld like someone suggested earlier. -I just had the t
      op done and am still in the break in period. =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>My FBO is at 10
      66=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>My AME told me not to exceed 2600- =0A>>Andrew=0A>>=0A>>
      =0A>>=0A>>On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Andrew: 
      =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>
      Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>What altit
      ude?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650?
      =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Barry=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, 
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      ew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?- How about 2500 or 2600 RPM.- (7
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      What's your website?
      
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      > Your AME or A&P is incorrect.  If you have new cylinders, you should 
      run at maximum load, minimum of 75% power, for the first 30-40 hours.  
      
      > 
      > For what it's worth, I break in an engine at 2500 feet to 4500 feet in 
      a racetrack pattern.  I run flat out.  If it's 2800 rpm, then so be it.  
      Look on my website under technical.  It give a break-in procedure.  
      > 
      > From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>
      > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
      > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:36 PM
      > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?
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      > HI Barry,
      > 
      > Sounds like my tach is done.  I'll have to try an optical handheld 
      like someone suggested earlier.  I just had the top done and am still in 
      the break in period.
      > 
      > My FBO is at 1066
      > 
      > My AME told me not to exceed 2600 
      > Andrew
      > 
      > 
      > On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
      > 
      >> Andrew:
      >> 
      >> What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"?
      >> 
      >> Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L?
      >> 
      >> What altitude?
      >> 
      >> Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650?
      >> 
      >> Barry
      >> 
      >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> 
      wrote:
      >> Hi David,
      >> 
      >> I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flying a Traveler. 
      >> 
      >> Andrew 
      >> 
      >> Sent from my iPhone
      >> 
      >> On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote:
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      >>> Andrew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?  How about 2500 or 2600 
      RPM.  (75% power). 
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      www.AuCountry.com=0A=0AClick on: Technical Stuff=0A=0A=0A__________________
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            a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
      
         7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
            to the List.  This is done in real time and will not slow down
            the process of posting the message !!
      
      
         Here are some rules for posting enclosures.  Failure to abide by these rules
      
         could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
      
         1) Pay attention to what you are posting!!  Make sure that the files
            you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB).  Remember that there
            are still people checking they're email via dial up modem.  If you post
            30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
            folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
      
         2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!!  I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
            pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each.  This is just 
            unacceptable.  Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
            down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
            file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
      
            Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
            you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically 
            scale it down and resave it.  This is a great utility - get it, use it!
            http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
            Look for the link "Image Resizer"
      
         3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway.  Do not
            post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
            And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even 
            questionable. !!
      
         4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
            subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
            to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!!  BE CAREFUL and 
            BE COURTEOUS!
      
         Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
         you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
         for long time viewing and availability.
      
      
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         A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all TeamGrumman-List content.
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         Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
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      While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be 
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         available on line.  The archive file information is available via the 
         Web and FTP in a number of forms.  Each are briefly described below:
      
      
         * TeamGrumman-List.FAQ 
      
                  - Latest version of the TeamGrumman-List Frequently Asked Question
      
                    page (this document).
      
         * TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete 
      
                  - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and 
                    page breaks inserted between messages.
      
         * TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.vol-??  
      
                  - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that 
                    can more easily handled.
      
         * TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete.zip 
      
                  - Same as the TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete file above, but 
                    in PKZIP format.  Use "binary" data transfer methods.
      
         * TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete.Z 
      
                  - Same as the TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
      
                    UNIX compress format.  Use "binary" data transfer methods.
      
      
        Download Via FTP
        ----------------
      
         The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
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         a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
      
                        ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
      
      
        Download Via Web
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         The archives are also available via a web listing.  These can be found
         toward the bottom of the following web page:
      
                        http://www.matronics.com/archives
      
      
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      ******************************************
      
         All messages posted to the TeamGrumman-List are also available using the
         Email List Archive Browsing feature.  With this utility, all messages
         in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
      
                        http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?TeamGrumman
      
      
      *****************************************
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         You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
         to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
         List.  The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
         available List archives.
      
                        http://www.matronics.com/search
      
      
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         With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
         and other data with members of the List without having to forward a 
         copy of it to everyone.  To share your Files and Photos, simply email 
         them to:
      
                        pictures@matronics.com
      
         !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
      
                        1) Email Lists that they are related to.
                        2) Your Full Name.
                        3) Your Email Address.
                        4) One line Subject description.
                        5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
                        6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
      
         Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
         for viruses.  Please also note that the process of making the files and
         photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
         process them every few days.
      
         Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
         sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
         Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
      
         For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
         Index Page:
      
                        http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
      
      
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         A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
         all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists.  The archives
         for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
         engine written by a list member.  The CD is burned the day you order it
         and will contain archive received  up to the last minute.  They make 
         great gifts!
      
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      requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of 
      the List.  To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
      
      
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         posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
         lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
      
       - THINK carefully before you write.  Ask yourself if your post will be
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         can not be overstated!
      
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      Dear Listers,
      
      Please read over the TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines below.  The complete
      TeamGrumman-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
      following URL:
      
         http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/TeamGrumman-List.FAQ.html
      
      Thank you,
      
      Matt Dralle
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      The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the TeamGrumman-List.
      You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
      Failure to use the TeamGrumman-List in the manner described below may result 
      in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
      
      
      TeamGrumman-List Policy Statement
      
      The purpose of the TeamGrumman-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
      things related to this particular discussion group.  The List's goals
      are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
      high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
      among its members; and to support safe operation.  Reaching these goals 
      requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of 
      the List.  To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
      
      
       - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level.  Do not submit
         posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
         lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
      
       - THINK carefully before you write.  Ask yourself if your post will be
         relevant to everyone.  If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
      
       - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
         that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate.  Try to be concise and
         terse in your posts.  Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
         responses.
      
       - Keep your signature brief.  Please include your name, email address,
         aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location.  A short line
         about where you are in the building process is also nice.  Avoid
         bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
         space in the archive.
      
       - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
         easily obtainable from other widely available sources.  Consult the
         web page or FAQ first.
      
       - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
         your response the same as that of the original post.  This makes it
         easy to find threads in the archive.
      
       - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
         response.  DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
         reader to the topic at hand, but be selective.  The impact that
         quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive 
         can not be overstated!
      
       - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
         then go ahead and reply to the List.  Be aware that clicking the
         "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
         response to the original poster.  You might have to actively address
         your response with the original poster's email address.
      
       - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
         to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal.  "Way to go!", "I
         agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
         to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
      
       - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
         comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
         contribute something valuable.
      
       - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
         polite and respectful.  Don't make snide comments, personally attack
         other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
         controversial issue.  This will only cause a pointless debate that
         will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
      
       - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly 
         subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable.  Posts by 
         List members promoting their respective products or items for sale 
         should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble 
         a typical SPAM message.  The List isn't about commercialism, but 
         is about sharing information and knowledge.  This applies to 
         everyone, including those who provide products to the entire 
         community.  Informal presentation and moderation should be the 
         operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
      
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