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Sat 10/01/11


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     1. 07:15 AM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Bob Hodo)
     2. 11:57 AM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
     3. 12:02 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
     4. 12:05 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
     5. 02:43 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Brock Windsor)
     6. 04:20 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
     7. 05:25 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Andrew Kuzyk)
     8. 07:04 PM - Re: cruise about 2375 rpm? (Gary Vogt)
     9. 11:04 PM - Official TeamGrumman-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    10. 11:06 PM - Official TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:15:51 AM PST US
    From: Bob Hodo <bob.hodo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cruise about 2375 rpm?
    I was the one who suggested you get an optical tach to calibrate your facto ry one. Your tach displays rpms, and records hours based on revolutions of the cran kshaft.- These are two separate things.- One does not affect the other. Since you have the HC stc, you technically have a redline rpm of 2650 now. - This issue has been hashed out many times, but in the end it comes down to this:- There is no FAA requirement that your tach be accurate.- But it is a good idea for you to know how fast the prop is turning.- The eng ine itself can handle exceeding redline, especially as long as there is a l oad on the prop, (not in a dive), but the prop gets stressed disproportiona tely as rpm produces high tip speeds. Bottom line, you need to know your true rpm, but you do not have to have th at number displayed in the cockpit. Bob Hodo GADsden, AL --- On Fri, 9/30/11, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote: From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm? HI Barry, Sounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical handheld like s omeone suggested earlier. -I just had the top done and am still in the br eak in period. My FBO is at 1066 My AME told me not to exceed 2600-Andrew=0A=0A On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: Andrew: What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"? Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L? What altitude? Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650?=0A Barry On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote: =0AHi David, I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flying a Traveler.- Andrew- Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote: =0A=0A =0A=0AAndrew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?- How about =0A2500 or 26 00 RPM.- (75% =0Apower).- David=0A=0A=0Ast">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Arum s.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A"http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A=0ANOTICE OF CONF IDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the mess age to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard co py, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communicat ion is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any action in r eliance upon this communication. If you received this communication in erro r or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any compute r, disk drive, or other storage medium.=0A=0A=0A=0Ast" target="_blank">ht tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.c om=0A_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">ht tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Ahref="http://forums.m atronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.c om/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A =0ANOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for de livering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conv ersion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part o f this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting o f any action in reliance upon this communication. If you received this comm unication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication =================0A=0A


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    Time: 11:57:23 AM PST US
    From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cruise about 2375 rpm?
    You should be able to turn 2700 RPM at 5000 feet easily.=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0ATo: teamgr umman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:47 PM=0ASubje ct: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A=0A=0AI do have high com pression pistons, powerflow=0ADon't know what the prop is - its original=0A No wheel pants=0A=0A=0A=0A-Andrew Kuzyk-BID, ACIDO,-RGD-//-Partne r=0A=0A-Entro Communications=0A-122 Parliament St.=0A-Toronto, Canada M5A-2Y8=0A=0A-T:-416-368-6988 x 222=0A-M: 416-706-4490=0A-F: 416 -368-5616=0A-www.entro.com=0A- =0A=0AOn Sep 30, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:=0A=0Ado you have high compression pistons?=0A>what pitch is you r prop?=0A>do you have a power flow?=0A>do you have wheel pants?=0A>=0A>=0A >A friend of mine had a 74 Traveler. -No Power Flow. -We cleaned it up. -It would True at 137 knots.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>____________________________ ____=0A>From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0A>To: "teamgrumman-list@matr onics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>=0A>Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 8:26 AM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A> =0A>=0A>Hi David,=0A>=0A>=0A>I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flyin g a Traveler.-=0A>=0A>=0A>Andrew-=0A>=0A>Sent from my iPhone=0A>=0A>On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Andrew....Wh y are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?- How about =0A2500 or 2600 RPM.- (75% =0Apower).-=0A>>=0A>>David =0A>>st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Te amGrumman-List rums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A"http://ww w.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>NOT ICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information trans mitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is con fidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for deliveri ng the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communicat ion in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by retur n e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. =0A>http://www.matronics .com/low" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://for ums.m= --> =0A>=0A>face="courier new,courier">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://f orums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:/ /www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0ANOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This commu nication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only f or the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an inten ded recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended reci pient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, repr oduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibi ted, as is the taking or omitting of any action in reliance upon this commu nication. If you received this communication in error or without authorizat ion please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanen tly delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other =========================0A =======================


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    Time: 12:02:42 PM PST US
    From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cruise about 2375 rpm?
    Your AME or A&P is incorrect. -If you have new cylinders, you should run at maximum load, minimum of 75% power, for the first 30-40 hours. -=0A=0A For what it's worth, I break in an engine at 2500 feet to 4500 feet in a ra cetrack pattern. -I run flat out. -If it's 2800 rpm, then so be it. - Look on my website under technical. -It give a break-in procedure. -=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.c om>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:36 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A=0A=0AHI Barry,=0A=0ASounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical ha ndheld like someone suggested earlier. -I just had the top done and am st ill in the break in period.=0A=0AMy FBO is at 1066=0A=0AMy AME told me not to exceed 2600-=0AAndrew =0A=0A=0AOn Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A=0AAndrew:=0A>=0A>=0A>What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"?=0A> =0A>=0A>Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L?=0A>=0A>=0A>What alt itude?=0A>=0A>=0A>Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650?=0A> =0A>=0A>Barry=0A>=0A>=0A>On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <an drew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>Hi David,=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flying a Traveler.-=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Andrew-=0A>>=0A>> Sent from my iPhone=0A>>=0A>>On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.CO M wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Andrew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?- How ab out =0A2500 or 2600 RPM.- (75% =0Apower).-=0A>>>=0A>>>David =0A>>>st">h ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List rums.matronics.com">http ://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www. matronics.com/contribution =0A>>NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communicati on, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended re cipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproducti on or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, a s is the taking or omitting of any action in reliance upon this communicati on. If you received this communication in error or without authorization pl ease notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently de lete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other stora ge medium. =0A>>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Te amGrumman-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution =0A>=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman- List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Ahref="http:// forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.mat ronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0ANOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmit ted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confid ential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this co mmunication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any act ion in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e -mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any ========


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    Time: 12:05:01 PM PST US
    From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cruise about 2375 rpm?
    Tip speeds are only an issue above 3400 RPM.=0A=0A=0A______________________ __________=0AFrom: Bob Hodo <bob.hodo@yahoo.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@mat ronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:13 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGru mman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A=0A=0AI was the one who suggested you g et an optical tach to calibrate your factory one.=0A=0AYour tach displays r pms, and records hours based on revolutions of the crankshaft.- These are two separate things.- One does not affect the other.=0A=0ASince you have the HC stc, you technically have a redline rpm of 2650 now.- This issue has been hashed out many times, but in the end it comes down to this:- Th ere is no FAA requirement that your tach be accurate.- But it is a good i dea for you to know how fast the prop is turning.- The engine itself can handle exceeding redline, especially as long as there is a load on the prop , (not in a dive), but the prop gets stressed disproportionately as rpm pro duces high tip speeds.=0A=0ABottom line, you need to know your true rpm, bu t you do not have to have that number displayed in the=0A cockpit.=0A=0ABob Hodo=0AGADsden, AL=0A=0A--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.co m> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0A>Subject: Re: Te amGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.co m=0A>Date: Friday, September 30, 2011, 9:36 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>HI Barry,=0A>=0A> =0A>Sounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical handheld li ke someone suggested earlier. -I just had the top done and am still in th e break in period.=0A>=0A>=0A>My FBO is at 1066=0A>=0A>=0A>My AME told me n ot to exceed 2600-=0A>Andrew =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM , FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A>=0A>Andrew:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L? =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>What altitude?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Barry=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Fri, Sep 30, 20 11 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Hi David, =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flying a Travele r.-=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Andrew-=0A>>>=0A>>>Sent from my iPhone=0A>>>=0A>>> On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>And rew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?- How about =0A2500 or 2600 RPM. - (75% =0Apower).-=0A>>>>=0A>>>>David =0A>>>>st">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List rums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.c om "http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contrib ution =0A>>>NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any in formation transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addresse e(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsib le for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclos ure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of a ny part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or o mitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immed iately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire comm unication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. =0A>>>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List tp:/ /forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>> =0A>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronic s.com/">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/cont ribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>=0A>NOTICE OF CONFIDENT IALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If yo u are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message t o an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, d issemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication i s strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any action in relian ce upon this communication. If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or othe rwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, di sk drive, or other storage medium. =0A>="http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matroni"nofollow" target="_blank" href= "http://forums.matronics.com">http://fo========== =0A_ -======================== ================


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    Time: 02:43:53 PM PST US
    From: Brock Windsor <n2_narcosis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cruise about 2375 rpm?
    Tip speeds would be at a lower RPM for a Tiger since it has a longer prop r ight? What would those be? --- On Sat, 10/1/11, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm? Tip speeds are only an issue above 3400 RPM. From: Bob Hodo <bob.hodo@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:13 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm? I was the one who suggested you get an optical tach to calibrate your facto ry one. Your tach displays rpms, and records hours based on revolutions of the cran kshaft.- These are two separate things.- One does not affect the other. Since you have the HC stc, you technically have a redline rpm of 2650 now. - This issue has been hashed out many times, but in the end it comes down to this:- There is no FAA requirement that your tach be accurate.- But it is a good idea for you to know how fast the prop is turning.- The eng ine itself can handle exceeding redline, especially as long as there is a l oad on the prop, (not in a dive), but the prop gets stressed disproportiona tely as rpm produces high tip speeds. Bottom line, you need to know your true rpm, but you do not have to have th at number displayed in the cockpit. Bob Hodo GADsden, AL --- On Fri, 9/30/11, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote: From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm? HI Barry, Sounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical handheld like s omeone suggested earlier. -I just had the top done and am still in the br eak in period. My FBO is at 1066 My AME told me not to exceed 2600- Andrew On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: Andrew: What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"? Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L? What altitude? Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650? Barry On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote: Hi David, I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flying a Traveler.- Andrew- Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote: Andrew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM?- How about 2500 or 2600 RPM. - (75% power).- David st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List rums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information tr ansmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for deliv ering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, convers ion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of t his communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of a ny action in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communi cation in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by re turn e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication fr om any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information tr ansmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for deliv ering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, convers ion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of t his communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of a ny action in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communi cation in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by re turn e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication fr om any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matroni "nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://fo ========= http://www=====================


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    Time: 04:20:53 PM PST US
    From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cruise about 2375 rpm?
    76*3.14=238.76 inches=0A238.76/12=19.897 feet=0ASpeed of sound at 20=B0 C = (approx) 1120 feet per second=0A-or 67200 feet per minute=0A=0A6720 0/19.9 = (approx) 3377 rpm.=0A=0ATransonic begins about 0.8 Mach=0A=0Aso, a conservative estimate would be 2700 rpm.=0A=0Arealistically, you can loo k at the pressure increase limit as .92 Mach or 3100 RPM.=0A=0AI've seen 30 50 RPM on my Tiger.=0A=0ACheetah:=0A=0A74*3.14=232.5 inches=0A238.76/12 =19.37 feet=0ASpeed of sound at 20=B0C = (approx) 1120 feet per second =0A-or 67200 feet per minute=0A=0A67200/19.37 = 3469 rpm=0A=0Aat .92 Ma ch you get 3192 RPM.=0A=0AI've seen 3250 rpm on a-Cheetah=0A=0A---------- ------------------------=0A=0AOf course . . . -this is only meaningful fo r certain conditions. -The speed of sound in air is dependent on OAT and the density of the air. -So, depending on how high you fly or the OAT, th e speed of sound will change. -=0A=0A=0A=0A========== ======0AOn another note . . . . . -Rare Bear turns a 12 foot di ameter prop at 3200 rpm.=0A=0A12*3.14=37.7=0A=0A67200/37.7 = 1782.5 RPM .=0A=0AHis tip speed is WAY over Mach 1. -The last half of the blade is g oing supersonic.=0A=0A================0AThe f irst plane to go 400 mph was the Chance-Vought Corsair. -=0AR-2800. -27 00 rpm redline.=0A13 foot 4 inch propeller. -=0A=0A13.3333*3.14 = 41.88 =0A=0A67200/41.88 = 1604 rpm. -=0A=0A=========== ====0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: B rock Windsor <n2_narcosis@yahoo.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 2:41 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A=0A=0ATip speeds would be at a lower RPM for a Ti ger since it has a longer prop right? What would those be?=0A=0A=0A--- On S at, 10/1/11, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: Gary V ogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A>To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matroni cs.com>=0A>Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 2:02 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>Tip speeds a re only an issue above 3400 RPM.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>___________________________ _____=0A> From: Bob Hodo <bob.hodo@yahoo.com>=0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matro nics.com=0A>Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:13 AM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGru mman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A>=0A>=0A>I was the one who suggested yo u get an optical tach to calibrate your factory one.=0A>=0A>Your tach displ ays rpms, and records hours based on revolutions of the crankshaft.- Thes e are two separate things.- One does not affect the other.=0A>=0A>Since y ou have the HC stc, you technically have a redline rpm of 2650 now.- This issue has been hashed out many times, but in the end it comes down to this :- There is no FAA requirement that your tach be accurate.- But it is a good idea for you to know how fast the prop is turning.- The engine itse lf can handle exceeding redline, especially as long as there is a load on t he prop, (not in a dive), but the prop gets stressed disproportionately as rpm produces high tip speeds.=0A>=0A>Bottom line, you need to know your tru e rpm, but you do not have to have that number displayed in the cockpit.=0A >=0A>Bob Hodo=0A>GADsden, AL=0A>=0A>--- On Fri, 9/30/11, Andrew Kuzyk <andr ew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>>From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0A>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A>>To: teamgrumman-l ist@matronics.com=0A>>Date: Friday, September 30, 2011, 9:36 PM=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>HI Barry, =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Sounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical handheld like someone suggested earlier. -I just had the t op done and am still in the break in period. =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>My FBO is at 10 66=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>My AME told me not to exceed 2600- =0A>>Andrew=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Andrew: =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>What altit ude?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650? =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Barry=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>Hi David,=0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. 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    Time: 05:25:09 PM PST US
    From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>
    Subject: Re: cruise about 2375 rpm?
    What's your website? A Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO, RGD // Partner Entro Communications 122 Parliament St. Toronto, Canada M5A 2Y8 T: 416-368-6988 x 222 M: 416-706-4490 F: 416-368-5616 www.entro.com On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > Your AME or A&P is incorrect. If you have new cylinders, you should run at maximum load, minimum of 75% power, for the first 30-40 hours. > > For what it's worth, I break in an engine at 2500 feet to 4500 feet in a racetrack pattern. I run flat out. If it's 2800 rpm, then so be it. Look on my website under technical. It give a break-in procedure. > > From: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm? > > HI Barry, > > Sounds like my tach is done. I'll have to try an optical handheld like someone suggested earlier. I just had the top done and am still in the break in period. > > My FBO is at 1066 > > My AME told me not to exceed 2600 > Andrew > > > On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > >> Andrew: >> >> What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"? >> >> Is that all you can get from the engine in S&L? >> >> What altitude? >> >> Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650? >> >> Barry >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I max out at 2600 rpm with my 0 320. I'm flying a Traveler. >> >> Andrew >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, GOLDPILOT@AOL.COM wrote: >> >>> Andrew....Why are you cruising @ 2375 RPM? How about 2500 or 2600 RPM. (75% power). >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >>> rums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> "http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >>> >> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. >> >> >> >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. > > > " href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.mr el="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">htt============ =========== > ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or o mitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you receive d this communication in error or without authorization please notify us i mmediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entir e communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium.


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    From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cruise about 2375 rpm?
    www.AuCountry.com=0A=0AClick on: Technical Stuff=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-li st@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 5:22 PM=0ASubject: Re: T eamGrumman-List: cruise about 2375 rpm?=0A=0A=0AWhat's your website?=0A=0AA =0A=0A=0A=0A-Andrew Kuzyk-BID, ACIDO,-RGD-//-Partner=0A=0A-Entr o Communications=0A-122 Parliament St.=0A-Toronto, Canada M5A-2Y8=0A =0A-T:-416-368-6988 x 222=0A-M: 416-706-4490=0A-F: 416-368-5616=0A -www.entro.com=0A- =0A=0AOn Oct 1, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: =0A=0AYour AME or A&P is incorrect. -If you have new cylinders, you shoul d run at maximum load, minimum of 75% power, for the first 30-40 hours. - =0A>=0A>=0A>For what it's worth, I break in an engine at 2500 feet to 4500 feet in a racetrack pattern. -I run flat out. -If it's 2800 rpm, then s o be it. -Look on my website under technical. -It give a break-in proce dure. -=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From: Andrew K uzyk <andrew@entro.com>=0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Frid ay, September 30, 2011 7:36 PM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cruise abo ut 2375 rpm?=0A>=0A>=0A>HI Barry,=0A>=0A>=0A>Sounds like my tach is done. -I'll have to try an optical handheld like someone suggested earlier. - I just had the top done and am still in the break in period.=0A>=0A>=0A>My FBO is at 1066=0A>=0A>=0A>My AME told me not to exceed 2600-=0A>Andrew =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A>=0A>Andrew :=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>What do you mean "Max out at 2600 RPM"?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Is th at all you can get from the engine in S&L?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>What altitude?=0A> >=0A>>=0A>>Do you have the HC STC with the limit on RPM at 2650?=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Barry=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <an drew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Hi David,=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>I max out at 260 0 rpm with my 0 320. 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    Dear Listers, Please read over the TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete TeamGrumman-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/TeamGrumman-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the TeamGrumman-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the TeamGrumman-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. TeamGrumman-List Policy Statement The purpose of the TeamGrumman-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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