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1. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Flying with a level (Gary Vogt)
2. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Flying with a level (Gary Vogt)
3. 11:21 AM - Re: AA-5 Aileron Rigging (Gary Vogt)
4. 11:24 AM - Re: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture. (Gary Vogt)
5. 11:29 AM - spherical flying machine (Gary Vogt)
6. 11:32 AM - spherical flying machine w/link (Gary Vogt)
7. 01:47 PM - Re: spherical flying machine (Carol Stocker)
8. 06:52 PM - Re: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture. (Doug Doty)
9. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture. (Gary Vogt)
10. 07:27 PM - spy photo of special projects (Gary Vogt)
11. 08:01 PM - Re: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture. (Doug Doty)
12. 08:47 PM - Re: spy photo of special projects (Bob Hodo)
13. 09:46 PM - Re: spy photo of special projects (Mike Babin)
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Flying with a level |
Doug,-=0A=0AOn my web site there is a story I wrote about the "Great Race
of 68." -Find is on the About AuCountry page.=0A=0AI always liked big bl
ocks. -When I was a senior in High School, I bought a 69 Road Runner coup
e (posts) with a 440, 3 deuces, 4 speed, 4:10 Dana Spicer, and no other opt
ions. -Weight with me in it was 3675. -To say I did a little stop light
racing would be an understatement. -I once got a ticket for not shifting
between stop lights. -0-35 and back to 0 in first gear. -Oh, the stori
es I could tell.=0A=0AGary=0Aps. -I may add them to my web site.=0A=0A=0A
________________________________=0A From: Doug Doty <39marinette@gmail.com>
=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, November 26, 2011
2:07 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Fwd: Flying with a level=0A =0A-->
TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Doug Doty" <39marinette@gmail.com>=0A
=0AStarted with big block Camaro's in the middle 80's then into the 5.0 cra
ze in the middle 90's and back to big Chevys in Camaro's in the 05' and out
and done in 08' Here is a couple of pic's of the last 8.5 outlaw car. I bu
ilt for the 08 season. It made 1098 hp. with 615 ci. and conventional heads
from a "Texas pro stock class" head and intake custom shop on the right co
ast. Lucky to have enough money left the have a couple planes and a hanger
after the racing, it was fun but a major drain on finances.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--------=0A1977 AA5B N28454, Fuel Totalizer, Lopresti Nose,
Red Rudder Cap, 4 cyl. egt, stock otherwise.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic
online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359351#3593
=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Flying with a level |
The elevator trim jack screw on the Project X AG5B was so corroded I had to
soak it in Liquid Wrench and still use Vice Grips to work it loose. -The
previous owner had disconnected the pitch trim on the S-Tec 30; probably b
ecause he couldn't adjust trim.=0A=0AThat plane was so filthy and disgustin
g that you just wouldn't believe it. -Plane was maintained by a shop in C
olumbia, CA. -=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Doug Dot
y <39marinette@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sat
urday, November 26, 2011 7:25 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Fwd: Flyi
39marinette@gmail.com>=0A=0AFlew today and the weather is going to be louse
y for a few days starting at this very moment as I hear the rain on the sky
lites, so I will pull the tail cone tomorrow morning and get into it, it ne
eds the jack screw on the trim cleaned up anyway, not feeling as smooth as
it should. My IA is just across the taxiway and always happy to help. I can
switch places with the 150 and it needs to be in front anyway as it is goi
ng away for a few days for some maint. too.- I'll get it taken care of be
fore I fly it again. I just like fixing every thing I can find asap, especi
ally on a plane like this that is still new to me and not much history with
it yet. Might even get a few pic's along the way.=0A=0A--------=0A1977 AA5
B N28454, Fuel Totalizer, Lopresti Nose, Red Rudder Cap, 4 cyl. egt, stock
otherwise.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.ma
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi
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| Subject: | Re: AA-5 Aileron Rigging |
Mike, most planes will be like yours. -The important thing is that the ai
lerons are at the correct up/down limits. -You can file the stops, both t
he aluminum tube on the bolts and the steel stops themselves. -I use a Dr
emel. -There are more than a few planes with the holes for the aileron we
ights off enough to cause a problem.=0AGary=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0A From: "lehman@acanac.net" <lehman@acanac.net>=0ATo: Teamgrumma
n-List <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, November 27, 2011
6:13 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: AA-5 Aileron Rigging=0A =0A--> TeamGru
mman-List message posted by: <lehman@acanac.net>=0A=0AGents,=0A=0AAfter an
aileron contacts its down stop, more rotation of the yoke, against=0A'sprin
g' pressure, increases opposite up aileron travel.- Is this normal or=0Ai
ndicative of incorrect rigging?=0A=0AControl yoke/aileron motion left and r
ight is the the same.- Aileron cable=0Atension is correct and the aircraf
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| Subject: | Re: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture. |
there will be enough drag in the torque tube/collar that it will be nearly
impossible to tell. -Grab the tip that is too high and force it down unti
l the elevator turns in its mount and centers on the horizontal. -It will
turn. -The tips should be the same, side-to-side.=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0A From: Doug Doty <39marinette@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgru
mman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:00 PM=0ASubjec
t: TeamGrumman-List: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture.=0A =0A--> Te
amGrumman-List message posted by: "Doug Doty" <39marinette@gmail.com>=0A=0A
I wanted to start a different thread as I realized this was hijacking the f
lying with a level thread that is so interesting in itself. Sorry !!!=0A=0A
Any way I got the tail cone off this evening and looked for looseness, none
found ?? I worked the two sides against one another and simply cannot find
any movement. It seems to me that it has always been this way or has- tw
isted over time. The plane has about 1990 hours on the airframe and no know
n previous damage history. I will post a picture below that demonstrates th
e right side up as the left is leveled with the HS. Any additional thoughts
from anyone on this. I measured the differential with a digital level on e
ach elevator inboard and outboard with with a slight up preload on each and
the right is .8 degrees off from the left.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--------
=0A1977 AA5B N28454, Fuel Totalizer, Lopresti Nose, Red Rudder Cap, 4 cyl.
egt, stock otherwise.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:
//forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359496#359496=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | spherical flying machine |
this is cool
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| Subject: | spherical flying machine w/link |
http://www.wimp.com/sphericalmachine/
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| Subject: | Re: spherical flying machine |
Wow.....thanks for the post
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> this is cool
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| Subject: | Re: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture. |
Gary,
I have put a lot of pressure on it and when it started creeking and sounding scary
I quit, but I would be willing to guess that 1/3 to 1/4 of the offset appeared
to be gone after doing this but wow wee it is tight in the coupling if that
is where it actually moved and I still think it just took a temporory flex
set while I was putting pressure on it. What is the diffinative way to tell if
it has always been this way or worn. I want to know !! for now and fix if worn
or wait until annual if not. Should I pull the bolts and inspect the holes
or is this the right path.
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1977 AA5B N28454, Fuel Totalizer, Lopresti Nose, Red Rudder Cap, 4 cyl. egt, stock
otherwise.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359612#359612
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| Subject: | Re: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture. |
Yes, I know it's scary. -In fact, there is a chance you'll watch the skin
on the elevator wrinkle, but it isn't permanent. -=0A=0AIf it moves at a
ll, then at some point, the hole has crowded out. -Mark both collars/torq
ue tubes with a pencil so you know which one moved. -Like I said, odds ar
e, it's the right one. -=0A=0AAlternately, you could loosen/remove both n
uts and with just the bolt holding it in place, see which one is moving.
-Unless you feel comfortable forcing the elevator against the stop, this
might be your best best. -=0A=0AWhen I noticed the right side of mine was
sloppy, I just redid both of them.=0A=0AGet some big spring clamps to hold
the elevator tip square with the horizontal. -Clamp only on the edge of
the outboard most rib on the horizontal. -It won't take much to hold it i
n place. -A really long ream works the best. -It will be difficult work
ing around the trim screw jack. -=0A=0AWhen you ream it, go very slowly a
nd let the ream do the centering. -If you can get a piloted ream, that wi
ll help guide you through the other side easier. -=0A=0AOr, fly it to Aub
urn and I'll fix it. -[grin]=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A
From: Doug Doty <39marinette@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.co
m =0ASent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:49 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: R
e: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture.=0A =0A--> TeamGrumman-List mes
sage posted by: "Doug Doty" <39marinette@gmail.com>=0A=0AGary, =0A=0AI have
put a lot of pressure on it and when it started creeking and sounding scar
y I quit, but I would be willing to guess that 1/3 to 1/4 of the offset app
eared to be gone after doing this but wow wee it is tight in the coupling i
f that is where it actually moved and I still think it just took a temporor
y flex set while I was putting pressure on it. What is the diffinative way
to tell if it has always been this way or worn. I want to know !!- for no
w and fix if worn or wait until annual if not. Should I pull the bolts and
inspect the holes or is this the right path.=0A=0A--------=0A1977 AA5B N284
54, Fuel Totalizer, Lopresti Nose, Red Rudder Cap, 4 cyl. egt, stock otherw
ise.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic
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| Subject: | spy photo of special projects |
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| Subject: | Re: Split elevator on my plane, with Picture. |
That was some great additional help, thanks, I am back in town the rest of the
week and it is raining kittys and puppies here so I'll go out and work on it tomorrow
eve. I will use your advice to dig in deeper and come up with the answer,
I think I will call Garner tomorrow to get the bolts coming and order the
most suitable reamer I can find afterwards. I'll update once I get it sorted out.
I can't help but be curious but I would guess that the right elevator is typically
deflected down when they are worn as a result of the rotational forces of
the air coming off the prop loading it heavier ???
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1977 AA5B N28454, Fuel Totalizer, Lopresti Nose, Red Rudder Cap, 4 cyl. egt, stock
otherwise.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359618#359618
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| Subject: | Re: spy photo of special projects |
Man I like them ramps.
--- On Mon, 11/28/11, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: spy photo of special projects
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| Subject: | Re: spy photo of special projects |
OOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!!
AAAAAAAAHHHHH...... :)
On Nov 28, 2011, at 21:23 , Gary Vogt wrote:
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