---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/18/11: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:18 AM - Re: Tinnerman speed nuts #4 (grumpyparts) 2. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Tinnerman speed nuts #4 (Gary Vogt) 3. 10:11 AM - Battery box (Gary Vogt) 4. 11:22 AM - Re: Battery box (923te) 5. 12:19 PM - Re: Battery box (Dan Baisley) 6. 03:07 PM - Re: Battery box (Gary Vogt) 7. 04:01 PM - Re: Battery box (923te) 8. 04:01 PM - Fw: Battery box for a G-35 (923te) 9. 04:02 PM - Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay (923te) 10. 05:37 PM - Re: Battery box (Gary Vogt) 11. 05:39 PM - Re: Fw: Battery box for a G-35 (Gary Vogt) 12. 05:41 PM - Re: Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay (Gary Vogt) 13. 05:41 PM - Re: Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay (Gary Vogt) 14. 05:47 PM - Re: Battery box (923te) 15. 05:49 PM - Re: Fw: Battery box for a G-35 (923te) 16. 07:32 PM - Re: Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay (923te) 17. 08:43 PM - Battery Box (923te) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:38 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tinnerman speed nuts #4 From: "grumpyparts" grumpyparts wrote: > Alternative p/n NAS395-1 This company http://store.falconaviation.com/product.php?productid=78897 seems to have them at a reasonable price. The -3 on the end means zinc metal finish. The site I mentioned for Falcon Aviation is a US company so may be best you contact them rather than me. The UK company that had some NAS395-1-3's in stock wanted $1.50 each, so I gave them a miss and ordered 50 A6187-4Z-1 at $0.30 each. Should be getting them Monday, I'll let you know what they are like. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361126#361126 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:30 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tinnerman speed nuts #4 Thanks. -I haven't followed through with anything on those. -Not sure w hat I'll do. -Maybe wait for Bob Steward to send 6 to me.=0A=0A=0A_______ _________________________=0A From: grumpyparts =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:15 AM =0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tinnerman speed nuts #4=0A =0A--> TeamGru mman-List message posted by: "grumpyparts" =0A=0A=0Ag rumpyparts wrote:=0A> Alternative p/n NAS395-1 This company http://store.fa lconaviation.com/product.php?productid=78897 seems to have them at a reas onable price. The -3 on the end means zinc metal finish.=0A=0A=0AThe site I mentioned for Falcon Aviation is a US company so may be best you contact t hem rather than me. =0A=0AThe UK company that had some NAS395-1-3's in stoc k wanted $1.50 each, so I gave them a miss and ordered 50- A6187-4Z-1 at $0.30 each.=0A=0AShould be getting them Monday, I'll let you know what the y are like.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.m - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Adm ====================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:45 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box Do I even need a box to put the battery in? -The AGM batteries don't give off gases. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:46 AM PST US From: 923te <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box Gary When I got the field approval 337 for the aft battery I had to put a vent tu be in and drill a hole in the lower skin. Since the AGM Concorde battery had the vent and since the original design had a vent the FAA inspector said it was required for my field approval. Unless I wanted to go thru a series of t ests and get backup data from Concorde to prove out a new design it was sugg ested by the field inspector to just put in the drain But you are right about there not being a physical need for the drain for th e AGM battery. You can even mount them on their side or upside down. Regards Ned Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > Do I even need a box to put the battery in? The AGM batteries don't give o ff gases. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box From: Dan Baisley They don't vent gas in normal operation and allegedly will not leak electrol yte even if the case has a hole. However they do have a pressure release va lve that can blow if they are being severely overcharged, releasing oxygen, h ydrogen, and perhaps some acid vapor. Sent from my iPhone. Pls to xcuz my typos. On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > Do I even need a box to put the battery in? The AGM batteries don't give o ff gases. > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:18 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box The RG-35 doesn't have a vent tube like the 24 volt does.=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: 923te <923te@att.net>=0ATo: "teamgrumman-l ist@matronics.com" =0ASent: Sunday, Decemb er 18, 2011 11:19 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box=0A =0A=0A Gary=0AWhen I got the field approval 337 for the aft battery I had to put a vent tube in and drill a hole in the lower skin. Since the AGM Concorde ba ttery had the vent and since the original design had a vent the FAA inspect or said it was required for my field approval. Unless I wanted to go thru a series of tests and get backup data from Concorde to prove out a new desig n it was suggested by the field inspector to just put in the drain=0A=0ABut you are right about there not being a physical need for the drain for the AGM battery. You can even mount them on their side or upside down.-=0A=0A Regards=0ANed=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Dec 18, 2011, at 12:08 PM, G ary Vogt wrote:=0A=0A=0ADo I even need a box to put the battery in? -The AGM batteries don't give off gases.=0A>==== =======0Ahttp://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com=0A>w ww.buildersbooks.com "http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion=0A====================== ==============0At">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?TeamGrumman-List ================= ================== ums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com=0A=============== =====================0Ahttp://www.m atronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A== ==== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:16 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box Oh yeah, Mine is the one with the manifold top that is a direct fit replacement for the Tiger battery mount. The manifold has the ears on it for the wing nuts to screw down onto the rods to hold the battery into the mount. I used the lightest version of the specified battery for my Tiger and never have any start problems due to lack of voltage. That's with the high power requirement of the Skytek starter too. Why do you want to put in a heavier battery than the stock battery? There are other things you can do to get the tail induced drag down..... Probably by the time you get an STC the new Lithium ion batteries will be available for our grummans. You might want to consider that before investing a lot of time into a battery that will probably fade away in the not to distant future. The lithuim ion battery will be half the weight of the current battery. Maybe even less http://www.concordebattery.com/lion.php Here are some old emails we exchanged on battery boxes: ----- Original Message ----- From: 923te Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: battery boxes You can get a stainless steel version of teh aluminum Cherokee box. There are also some fiberglass boxes like Cessna's use. Scroll down this link for a look see: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/el/batteryaccessories.html There is a part that Bogert sells to adapt a Concord RG battery into the Cherokee box....as I recall it is a spacer and longer bolt for the cable connection to the battery and a nylon bushing for the battery box cable openings. I think my mechanic just used a loger bolt with some washers and used the existing rubber bushings when I first put in teh RG into teh Cherokee 6.... Bogert adapters http://www.bogert-av.com/battery_mod.php Bogert SS box with pictures of aluminum and SS boxes http://www.bogert-av.com/press.php ----- Original Message ----- From: 923te Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: see the infamous block of wood in the lid? Looks like the box is on its side and we're looking at the bottom with the lid laying against it. We're seeing teh inside of the lid with the rectangular block of wood that helps hold down the battery... My AG5B TIger Aircraft Tiger does NOT have a battery box. It's top has the hold down in it so you just bolt the top to the battery mount frame. I was just going to move the mount without getting a battery box like the Sabertooth has. "Thats all I got to say about that." ----- Original Message ----- From: 923te Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 Here are a couple from the Sabertooth STC. Not very good I'll try and take some and send you later. It's a very common Cherokee box. ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 All I could see was pictures of batteries. Any pictures of the battery boxes? -----Original Message----- From: 923te <923te@att.net> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 7:18 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 Piper Cherokee and Comanche battery boxes, like in the Sabertoothed Tiger http://www.concordebattery.com/aag2.php?id=312 Anyone know of a battery box that is similar to the battery box on a Tiger/Cheetah but is bigger to fit a size 35 battery? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Vogt To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:04 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box The RG-35 doesn't have a vent tube like the 24 volt does. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 923te <923te@att.net> To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:19 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box Gary When I got the field approval 337 for the aft battery I had to put a vent tube in and drill a hole in the lower skin. Since the AGM Concorde battery had the vent and since the original design had a vent the FAA inspector said it was required for my field approval. Unless I wanted to go thru a series of tests and get backup data from Concorde to prove out a new design it was suggested by the field inspector to just put in the drain But you are right about there not being a physical need for the drain for the AGM battery. You can even mount them on their side or upside down. Regards Ned Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: Do I even need a box to put the battery in? The AGM batteries don't give off gases. ========= http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >www.buildersbooks.com "http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion ========= t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ========= ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ========= http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion ========= http://www.matronics.com/conank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://ww= ====================== ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:54 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@att.net> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Battery box for a G-35 ----- Original Message ----- ----- From: 923te Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 Here are a couple from the Sabertooth STC. Not very good I'll try and take some and send you later. It's a very common Cherokee box. ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 All I could see was pictures of batteries. Any pictures of the battery boxes? -----Original Message----- From: 923te <923te@att.net> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 7:18 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 Piper Cherokee and Comanche battery boxes, like in the Sabertoothed Tiger http://www.concordebattery.com/aag2.php?id=312 Anyone know of a battery box that is similar to the battery box on a Tiger/Cheetah but is bigger to fit a size 35 battery? or?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List p://forums.matronics.com ution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:01 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@att.net> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay ----- Original Message ----- From: 923te Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aircraft-PA-28-Piper-Cherokee-Battery-Box- PLUS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ022QQitemZ350025327031 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:29 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box I was thinking the G-35 due to the losses in the cables. -Maybe I'm over working the problem. -I can still put the smaller battery in the larger r ack. -Just can't go the other way. -=0A=0AThe LiOn battery would be a g ood choice. -It looks like a good idea. -Question is, when will they be approved?=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: 923te <923te@a tt.net>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:59 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box=0A =0A=0A =0AOh y eah, Mine is the one with the manifold top =0Athat is a direct fit replacem ent for the Tiger battery mount. The manifold has =0Athe ears on it for the wing nuts to screw down onto the rods to hold the battery =0Ainto the moun t. =0A-=0AI used the lightest version of the specified =0Abattery for my Tiger and never have any start problems due to lack of =0Avoltage.--Tha t's with the high power requirement of the Skytek starter =0Atoo.-Why do -you want to put in a heavier battery than the stock =0Abattery? There ar e other things you can do to get the tail induced drag =0Adown.....=0A- =0AProbably by the time-you get an STC the =0Anew Lithium ion batteries w ill be available for our grummans. You might want to =0Aconsider that befor e investing a lot of time into a battery that will probably =0Afade away in the not to distant future.- The lithuim ion battery will be half the wei ght of the =0Acurrent battery. Maybe even less=0A-=0Ahttp://www.concordeb attery.com/lion.php=0A-=0AHere are some old emails we exchanged on =0Abat tery boxes:=0A-=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: 923te =0ATo: Gary Owen =0ASent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:06 AM=0ASubject: battery boxes=0A =0AYou can get a stainless steel version of teh =0Aaluminum Cherokee box. T here are also some fiberglass boxes like Cessna's use. =0AScroll down this link for a look see:=0Ahttp://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/el/batteryaccess ories.html=0A-=0AThere is a part that Bogert sells to adapt a =0AConcord RG battery into the Cherokee box....as I recall it is a spacer and =0Alonge r bolt for the cable connection to the battery and a nylon bushing for the =0Abattery box cable openings. I think my mechanic just used a loger bolt w ith some =0Awashers and used the existing rubber bushings when I first put in teh RG into =0Ateh Cherokee 6.... =0A-=0ABogert adapters=0Ahttp://www. bogert-av.com/battery_mod.php=0A-=0ABogert SS box with pictures of alumin um and SS =0Aboxes=0Ahttp://www.bogert-av.com/press.php=0A-=0A-=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: 923te =0ATo: Gary Vogt =0ASent: Monday, Ma rch 10, 2008 8:18 AM=0ASubject: see the infamous block of wood in the lid? =0A=0A-=0A-=0ALooks like the box is on its side and we're =0Alooking at the bottom with the lid laying against it. We're seeing teh inside of =0At he lid with the rectangular block of wood that helps hold down the =0Abatte ry...=0A-=0AMy AG5B TIger Aircraft Tiger does NOT have a =0Abattery box. It's top has the hold down in it so you just bolt the top to the =0Abattery - mount frame. I was just going to move the mount without getting a =0Aba ttery box like the Sabertooth has.=0A-=0A"Thats all I got to say about =0Athat."=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: 923te =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:49 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35=0A=0AHere-are a couple-from the =0ASabertooth STC. Not very good I'll try and take some and send you later. It's a =0Avery common Cherokee box.=0A----- Original M essage ----- =0A>From: teamgrumman@aol.com =0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matroni cs.com =0A>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:00 =0AAM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrum man-List: Battery box for a G-35=0A>=0A>All I could see was pictures of ba tteries. -Any pictures of the battery boxes?=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original Me ssage-----=0A>From: 923te =0A <923te@att.net>=0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matr onics.com=0A>Sent: =0A Sun, 9 Mar 2008 7:18 am=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman -List: Battery box for a =0A G-35=0A>=0A>=0A>Piper Cherokee-and-Coman che-battery boxes, like in the Sabertoothed Tiger=0A>-=0A>http://www.c oncordebattery.com/aag2.php?id=312=0A>-=0A>-=0A>Anyone know of a batt ery box that is similar to the battery box on a Tiger/Cheetah but is bigge r to fit a size 35 battery?=0A-=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Gary Vogt =0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Sunday, Decembe r 18, 2011 5:04 PM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box=0A>=0A> =0A>The RG-35 doesn't have a vent tube like the 24 volt does.=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>________________________________=0A> From: 923te <923te@att.net>=0A>To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" =0A>Sen t: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:19 AM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: B attery box=0A>=0A>=0A>Gary=0A>When I got the field approval 337 for the aft battery I had to put a vent tube in and drill a hole in the lower skin. S ince the AGM Concorde battery had the vent and since the original design h ad a vent the FAA inspector said it was required for my field approval. Un less I wanted to go thru a series of tests and get backup data from Concor de to prove out a new design it was suggested by the field inspector to ju st put in the drain=0A>=0A>=0A>But you are right about there not being a ph ysical need for the drain for the AGM battery. You can even mount them on their side or upside down.-=0A>=0A>=0A>Regards=0A>Ned=0A>=0A>Sent from m y iPhone=0A>=0A>On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Do I even need a box to put the battery in? -The AGM batteries don't give off gases.=0A>>===========0Ah ttp://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com=0A>www.buildersbooks.com " http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics. com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A===== ======0At">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ========== ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.c om=0A===========0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A========== =0A>http://www.matronics.com/conank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?TeamGrumman-List">http://ww============== ===========0A://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>=0A>=0A>href="http://www.aeroelectric.c om">www.aeroelectric.com=0Ahref="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.builde rsbooks.com=0Ahref="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.co m">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribut ======= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:02 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Battery box for a G-35 I made a plate with a cutout for the raised edges on the holes in the cross brace. My honeycomb sits flat against the brace without deforming either t he honeycomb or the brace.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From : 923te <923te@att.net>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunda y, December 18, 2011 3:59 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Battery box f or a G-35=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB =0A=C2-=0A----- Original Message -----=C2 - ----- =0AFrom: 923te =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Mon day, March 10, 2008 8:49 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box fo r a G-35=0A=0AHere=C2-are a couple=C2-from the =0ASabertooth STC. Not v ery good I'll try and take some and send you later. It's a =0Avery common C herokee box.=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: teamgrumman@aol.com =0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:0 0 =0AAM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35=0A>=0A>Al l I could see was pictures of batteries. =C2-Any pictures of the battery boxes?=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>From: 923te =0A <923te@at t.net>=0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: =0A Sun, 9 Mar 2008 7:18 am=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a =0A G-35=0A> =0A>=0A>Piper Cherokee=C2-and=C2-Comanche=C2-battery boxes, like in the Sabertoothed Tiger=0A>=C2-=0A>http://www.concordebattery.com/aag2.ph p?id=312=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>Anyone know of a battery box that is simi lar to the battery box on a Tiger/Cheetah but is bigger to fit a size 35 b attery?=0A>or?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrum man-List=0Ap://forums.matronics.com=0Aution">http://www.matronics.com/contr ibution =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman- List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ah ref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:11 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay Yea, I saw some of these. -Who knows.=0A=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0A From: 923te <923te@att.net>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:00 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay=0A =0A=0A =0A-=0A----- Original Messa ge ----- =0AFrom: 923te =0ATo: Gary Vogt =0ASent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7: 54 AM=0ASubject: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay=0A=0Ahttp://cgi.ebay.co m/ebaymotors/Aircraft-PA-28-Piper-Cherokee-Battery-Box-PLUS_W0QQcmdZViewIte mQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ022QQitemZ350025327031 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:35 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay I like the idea of a simple plastic box.=0A=0A=0A__________________________ ______=0A From: 923te <923te@att.net>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:00 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay=0A =0A=0A =0A-=0A----- Original Messa ge ----- =0AFrom: 923te =0ATo: Gary Vogt =0ASent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7: 54 AM=0ASubject: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay=0A=0Ahttp://cgi.ebay.co m/ebaymotors/Aircraft-PA-28-Piper-Cherokee-Battery-Box-PLUS_W0QQcmdZViewIte mQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ022QQitemZ350025327031 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:02 PM PST US From: 923te <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box The Saber Toothed Tiger has the G-35 in the back with 00 cable but it's cran king 6 cylinders It uses the piper box like in the photos I sent earlier Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > I was thinking the G-35 due to the losses in the cables. Maybe I'm over w orking the problem. I can still put the smaller battery in the larger rack. Just can't go the other way. > > The LiOn battery would be a good choice. It looks like a good idea. Ques tion is, when will they be approved? > > From: 923te <923te@att.net> > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box > > Oh yeah, Mine is the one with the manifold top that is a direct fit replac ement for the Tiger battery mount. The manifold has the ears on it for the w ing nuts to screw down onto the rods to hold the battery into the mount. > > I used the lightest version of the specified battery for my Tiger and neve r have any start problems due to lack of voltage. That's with the high powe r requirement of the Skytek starter too. Why do you want to put in a heavier battery than the stock battery? There are other things you can do to get th e tail induced drag down..... > > Probably by the time you get an STC the new Lithium ion batteries will be a vailable for our grummans. You might want to consider that before investing a lot of time into a battery that will probably fade away in the not to dista nt future. The lithuim ion battery will be half the weight of the current b attery. Maybe even less > > http://www.concordebattery.com/lion.php > > Here are some old emails we exchanged on battery boxes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 923te > To: Gary Owen > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:06 AM > Subject: battery boxes > > You can get a stainless steel version of teh aluminum Cherokee box. There a re also some fiberglass boxes like Cessna's use. Scroll down this link for a look see: > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/el/batteryaccessories.html > > There is a part that Bogert sells to adapt a Concord RG battery into the C herokee box....as I recall it is a spacer and longer bolt for the cable conn ection to the battery and a nylon bushing for the battery box cable openings . I think my mechanic just used a loger bolt with some washers and used the e xisting rubber bushings when I first put in teh RG into teh Cherokee 6.... > > Bogert adapters > http://www.bogert-av.com/battery_mod.php > > Bogert SS box with pictures of aluminum and SS boxes > http://www.bogert-av.com/press.php > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 923te > To: Gary Vogt > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:18 AM > Subject: see the infamous block of wood in the lid? > > > > > Looks like the box is on its side and we're looking at the bottom with the lid laying against it. We're seeing teh inside of the lid with the rectangu lar block of wood that helps hold down the battery... > > My AG5B TIger Aircraft Tiger does NOT have a battery box. It's top has the hold down in it so you just bolt the top to the battery mount frame. I was just going to move the mount without getting a battery box like the Saberto oth has. > > "Thats all I got to say about that." > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 923te > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 > > Here are a couple from the Sabertooth STC. Not very good I'll try and take some and send you later. It's a very common Cherokee box. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: teamgrumman@aol.com > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 > > All I could see was pictures of batteries. Any pictures of the battery bo xes? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 923te <923te@att.net> > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 7:18 am > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 > > Piper Cherokee and Comanche battery boxes, like in the Sabertoothed Tiger > > http://www.concordebattery.com/aag2.php?id=312 > > > Anyone know of a battery box that is similar to the battery box on a Tiger /Cheetah but is bigger to fit a size 35 battery? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Vogt > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box > > The RG-35 doesn't have a vent tube like the 24 volt does. > > From: 923te <923te@att.net> > To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box > > Gary > When I got the field approval 337 for the aft battery I had to put a vent t ube in and drill a hole in the lower skin. Since the AGM Concorde battery ha d the vent and since the original design had a vent the FAA inspector said i t was required for my field approval. Unless I wanted to go thru a series of tests and get backup data from Concorde to prove out a new design it was su ggested by the field inspector to just put in the drain > > But you are right about there not being a physical need for the drain for t he AGM battery. You can even mount them on their side or upside down. > > Regards > Ned > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > >> Do I even need a box to put the battery in? 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My honeycomb sits flat against the brace without deforming either t he honeycomb or the brace. > > From: 923te <923te@att.net> > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:59 PM > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Battery box for a G-35 > > =EF=BB > > ----- Original Message ----- ----- > From: 923te > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 > > Here are a couple from the Sabertooth STC. Not very good I'll try and take some and send you later. It's a very common Cherokee box. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: teamgrumman@aol.com > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 > > All I could see was pictures of batteries. Any pictures of the battery bo xes? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 923te <923te@att.net> > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 7:18 am > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Battery box for a G-35 > > Piper Cherokee and Comanche battery boxes, like in the Sabertoothed Tiger > > http://www.concordebattery.com/aag2.php?id=312 > > > Anyone know of a battery box that is similar to the battery box on a Tiger /Cheetah but is bigger to fit a size 35 battery? > > or?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > p://forums.matronics.com > ution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:53 PM PST US From: 923te <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Piper Cherokee Battery Box on eBay Gary Have you thought about having Dave build just exactly what you are thinking a bout? Should be very easy to do with fiberglass. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > I like the idea of a simple plastic box. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:03 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Battery Box From: 923te <923te@att.net> Gary Have you thought about having Dave build just exactly what you are thinking a bout? Should be very easy to do with fiberglass. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.