---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/06/12: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:38 AM - Removing outboard wing panel (Gary L Vogt) 2. 03:44 AM - Re: Removing outboard wing panel (n76lima@mindspring.com) 3. 04:52 AM - Re: Removing outboard wing panel (halb221) 4. 06:05 AM - Re: Removing outboard wing panel (flyv35b) 5. 11:22 AM - Re: Removing outboard wing panel (n26390@AOL.COM) 6. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: Removing outboard wing panel (Gary Vogt) 7. 12:16 PM - Re: Removing outboard wing panel (Gary Vogt) 8. 12:16 PM - Re: Removing outboard wing panel (Gary Vogt) 9. 12:55 PM - Re: Removing outboard wing panel (flyv35b) 10. 08:08 PM - Re: Removing outboard wing panel (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:43 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel From: Gary L Vogt I removed all of the connections and I can't get the outboard wing panel to move even a fraction of an inch. Any ideas? Gary Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:07 AM PST US From: n76lima@mindspring.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Removing outboard wing panel I've seen several that had corrosion in the socket joint. Penetrating oil (Mouse Milk?), applied through the gap between the wing panels, and patience is all I can offer. I did some work at a shop that claimed to be Grumman experts, and they had this rig with a SLIDE HAMMER that they claimed was the way to remove stuck wing panels. Scared the @#$%^&* out of me. They were very proud of it. --Bob Steward >I removed all of the connections and I can't get the outboard wing panel to move even a fraction of an inch. >Any ideas? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:35 AM PST US From: "halb221" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel If the penitrent (mouse milk) isn't working then maybe some heat lamps on the out tube and some dry ice on the inside tube with at least two people working the panel to break it loose,it has been my experience once it moves lots of lube and time will get it off. Hal B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary L Vogt" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:32 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel > > > I removed all of the connections and I can't get the outboard wing panel > to move even a fraction of an inch. > > Any ideas? > > Gary > Sent from my iPad > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:30 AM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel Heat seems to help the penetrating fluid (Kroil is excellent) to wick in to the joint. You might also try placing a 2x6 across the end of the spar and try "bumping" it inward just a bit to loosen the bond. Would only take 1/32" and then maybe you could rotate it. Cliff On 1/6/2012 4:48 AM, halb221 wrote: > > If the penitrent (mouse milk) isn't working then maybe some heat lamps > on the out tube and some dry ice on the inside tube with at least two > people working the panel > to break it loose,it has been my experience once it moves lots of lube > and time will get it off. Hal B > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary L Vogt" > To: "Gary L Vogt" > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:32 AM > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel > > >> >> >> I removed all of the connections and I can't get the outboard wing >> panel to move even a fraction of an inch. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Gary >> Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel From: n26390@AOL.COM We did an AG5B a few years back and with a little wiggle and twist/pull it came right off. Roger Rucker AA5A '78 HWO -----Original Message----- From: Gary L Vogt Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:39 am Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel I removed all of the connections and I can't get the outboard wing panel to move ven a fraction of an inch. Any ideas? Gary ent from my iPad -= - The TeamGrumman-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:30 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Removing outboard wing panel Anything with the word "hammer" in, it regarding working on planes, scares me. -=0A=0AI'll try penetrating oil.=0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____=0A From: "n76lima@mindspring.com" =0ATo: teamg rumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, January 6, 2012 3:39 AM=0ASubjec t: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Removing outboard wing panel=0A =0A--> TeamGrumman -List message posted by: n76lima@mindspring.com=0A=0AI've seen several that had corrosion in the socket joint.- Penetrating oil (Mouse Milk?), appli ed through the gap between the wing panels, and patience is all I can offer .=0A=0AI did some work at a shop that claimed to be Grumman experts, and th ey had this rig with a SLIDE HAMMER that they claimed was the way to remove stuck wing panels.- Scared the @#$%^&* out of me.- They were very prou d of it.=0A=0A--Bob Steward=0A=0A>I removed all of the connections and I ca n't get the outboard wing panel to move even a fraction of an inch. =0A>Any ====================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:02 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel "You might also try placing a 2x6 across the end of the-spar and try "bum ping" it inward just a bit to loosen the bond.- Would-=0A=0Aonly take 1 /32" and then maybe you could rotate it."=0A=0AI'll try it.=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0A From: flyv35b =0ATo: team grumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, January 6, 2012 5:59 AM=0ASubje ct: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel=0A =0A--> TeamGrumma n-List message posted by: flyv35b =0A=0AHeat seems to help the penetrating fluid (Kroil is excellent) to wick in =0Ato the joi nt. You might also try placing a 2x6 across the end of the =0Aspar and try "bumping" it inward just a bit to loosen the bond.- Would =0Aonly take 1/ 32" and then maybe you could rotate it.=0A=0ACliff=0A=0AOn 1/6/2012 4:48 AM b221@centurylink.net>=0A>=0A> If the penitrent (mouse milk) isn't working t hen maybe some heat lamps=0A> on the out tube and some dry ice on the insid e tube with at least two=0A> people working the panel=0A> to break it loose ,it has been my experience once it moves lots of lube=0A> and time will get it off. Hal B=0A> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary L Vogt" =0A> To: "Gary L Vogt" =0A> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:32 AM=0A> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Remo ving outboard wing panel=0A>=0A>=0A>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted b y: Gary L Vogt=0A>> =0A>>=0A>> I removed all of the connections and I can't get the outboard wing=0A>> panel to move even a fra ction of an inch.=0A>>=0A>> Any ideas?=0A>>=0A>> Gary=0A>> Sent from my iPa ================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:07 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel 2 of us tried to 'wiggle-twist' it. -It won't move AT ALL.=0A=0A=0A______ __________________________=0A From: "n26390@aol.com" =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, January 6, 2012 11:17 AM =0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel=0A =0A=0AWe did an AG5B a few years back and with a little wiggle and twist/pull it cam e right off.=0A=0A=0ARoger Rucker =0AAA5A '78 HWO=0A=0A=0A-----Original Mes sage-----=0AFrom: Gary L Vogt =0ATo: Gary L Vogt =0ASent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:39 am=0ASubject: T eamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel=0A=0A=0A--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L Vogt I removed all of the connections and I can't get the outboard wing panel to move =0Aeven a frac tion of an inch. Any ideas? Gary=0ASent from my iPad st" target=_blank>h ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Ap://forums.matronics.c -======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:57 PM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel On 1/6/2012 12:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > "You might also try placing a 2x6 across the end of the > spar and try "bumping" it inward just a bit to loosen the bond. Would > only take 1/32" and then maybe you could rotate it." > > I'll try it. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* flyv35b > *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2012 5:59 AM > *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel > > > > > Heat seems to help the penetrating fluid (Kroil is excellent) to wick in > to the joint. You might also try placing a 2x6 across the end of the > spar and try "bumping" it inward just a bit to loosen the bond. Would > only take 1/32" and then maybe you could rotate it. > > Cliff > > On 1/6/2012 4:48 AM, halb221 wrote: > > > > > > If the penitrent (mouse milk) isn't working then maybe some heat lamps > > on the out tube and some dry ice on the inside tube with at least two > > people working the panel > > to break it loose,it has been my experience once it moves lots of lube > > and time will get it off. Hal B > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary L Vogt" > > > > To: "Gary L Vogt" > > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:32 AM > > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel > > > > > >> > > >> > >> I removed all of the connections and I can't get the outboard wing > >> panel to move even a fraction of an inch. > >> > >> Any ideas? > >> > >> Gary > >> Sent from my bsp; --> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List======================= > > > * > > > * I said "bump" it , not hammer it. Finesse. You won't hurt the spar with the wood against it! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:23 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel OK, here is what I did.=0A=0A=A2 Soaked the joint as much as possible with penetrating oil.=0A=A2=C2-Chocked the tires=0A=A2=C2- Got a block of wood and placed it on my rolling bench/table. =C2-Covered said block with a folded towel.=0A=A2=C2-Positioned the bench/table such that the blocks/towel were on the leading edge, just on the edge of t he outboard panel (OP) near the gap. =C2-Chocked said bench/table=0A=0A =A2=C2-Located a block of wood on the bottom of the trailing edge o f the outer edge of the middle panel so that the wing could not go down.=0A =0A=A2=C2-Pressed on the trailing edge of the OP. =C2-Nothing. =C2-=0A=A2=C2-Got a helper. =C2-Nothing.=0A=0A=A2=C2-Go t another helper. =C2-Nothing.=0A=0A=A2=C2-Got large screw driver s to cross pry the trailing edges against each other. =C2-(does that make sense?)=0A=A2=C2-Had helpers push and pull while I pried. =C2-Go t the panel to move about 1/8 inch.=0A=0A=A2=C2-Reversed all the bl ocks and pry bars and started over.=0A=0A=A2=C2-Repeated the proces s about 1000 times until the OP was able to rotate with just 4 people pushi ng and pulling.=0A=0A=A2=C2-Hooked up a come-along to the tie down and added just enough load to tighten the cable.=0A=0A=A2=C2-4 hour s later, I've got the OP about 1/4 inch out. =C2-I'm exhausted.=0A=0A=0AW hat I wrote doesn't tell the whole story, but you get the gist.=C2-=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: flyv35b =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, January 6, 2012 12:50 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing panel=0A =0A=0AOn 1/6/2012 12:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:=0A> "You might also try placin g a 2x6 across the end of the=0A> spar and try "bumping" it inward just a b it to loosen the bond. Would=0A> only take 1/32" and then maybe you could r otate it."=0A>=0A> I'll try it.=0A> --------------------------------------- ---------------------------------=0A> *From:* flyv35b =0A> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0A> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2012 5:59 AM=0A> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing p fiber.com=0A> >=0A>=0A> Heat seems to help t he penetrating fluid (Kroil is excellent) to wick in=0A> to the joint. You might also try placing a 2x6 across the end of the=0A> spar and try "bumpin g" it inward just a bit to loosen the bond. Would=0A> only take 1/32" and t hen maybe you could rotate it.=0A>=0A> Cliff=0A>=0A> On 1/6/2012 4:48 AM, h =0A> >=0A>=C2- > =0A>=C2- > If the penitrent (mouse milk) isn't working then maybe some he at lamps=0A>=C2- > on the out tube and some dry ice on the inside tube wi th at least two=0A>=C2- > people working the panel=0A>=C2- > to break i t loose,it has been my experience once it moves lots of lube=0A>=C2- > an d time will get it off. Hal B=0A>=C2- > ----- Original Message ----- From : "Gary L Vogt"=0A> > =0A>=C2- > To: "Gary L Vogt" >=0A>=C2- > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:32 AM=0A>=C2- > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Removing outboard wing pane l=0A>=C2- >=0A>=C2- >=0A>=C2- >> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L Vogt=0A>=C2- >> >=0A>=C2- >>=0A>=C2- >> I removed all of the connections and I c an't get the outboard wing=0A>=C2- >> panel to move even a fraction of an inch.=0A>=C2- >>=0A>=C2- >> Any ideas?=0A>=C2- >>=0A>=C2- >> Gary =0A>=C2- >> Sent from my bsp; -->=0A> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? TeamGrumman-List=================== ======0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> *=0A>=0A>=0A> *=0AI said "bump" it , no t hammer it.=C2- Finesse.=C2- You won't hurt the spar =0Awith the wood - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- - ============= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.