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     1. 11:45 AM - Tiger Crash: 11/12/99 (Gary Vogt)
 
 
 


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    Time: 11:45:50 AM PST US
    From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Tiger Crash: 11/12/99
    This was forwarded to me from gg because it happened in my backyard (sort o f).-=0A==============0A=0AI was called to go lo ok at the wreckage in Van Nuys by one of the accident investigators who was also my AP/AI mentor.=0A=0AI saw the wing and the aileron and noticed the missing counterweights. -The counter-weight holes in both wingtips had a tear in the fiberglass where the counterweight arm might go through IF the counterweight had been far enough down into the wind to where the drag on t he counterweight might pull it backwards. -I noted the aileron stops. - =0AThe aileron stops WERE STILL THERE AND THEY HAD NO DAMAGE.=0A=0AMy concl usion, to the friend of mine, was that counterweight had been installed wro ng with the bolt that acts as the stop not installed where it should be. -=0A=0ASarcastic note: -Quote: -"You don't need a Grumman specific me chanic to work on a Grumman."=0A=0AForward to GG if you wish.=0A=== ===========0A=0A"On November 12, 1999, at 1738 hours Pa cific standard time, an American General AG5B, N1195L, was substantially da maged by an encounter with in-flight turbulence while on downwind leg for l anding at the Van Nuys, California, municipal airport. ......=0A=0AThe pilo t reported that ...... there was an instantaneous jolt of sudden severe tur bulence that ended before he could take any action. His left hand was on th e flight controls and his right hand was on the throttle. The pilot said th e flight control in his left hand felt "like the handle of a sledge hammer when you strike a steel pipe.-=0A=0A.... He felt that the speed was norma l, there was no shrieking or wind noise, and the pilot made no control inpu t before or after the turbulence.=0A---------------- I don't believe this. -Anyone who has ever been hit with the slightest turbulence instinctively corrects, or over corrects, it.=0A=0A=0AOne of the aileron mass balance we ights was located on November 16, 1999, in the bedroom of an unoccupied apa rtment where it had penetrated the roof and ceiling. The apartment is locat ed beneath the downwind leg flight path on the east side of the airport app roximately midfield.-=0A---------------- I'd like to have seen this. -I t hadn't been located yet.=0A=0AThe Safety Board investigator examined the aircraft on November 16, 1999. Each wing is assembled in three sections, wh ich are spliced together. The tip section of the left wing, outboard of the second splice, was deformed upward about 5 degrees with respect to the inb oard section of the wing. The upper wing skin exhibited compression bucklin g. In comparing the two damage areas, the buckling was substantial on the o utboard wing section and modest on the upper wing skin inboard of the tip s plice. The right wing exhibited modest compression buckling over its entire span but was not visibly deformed. There was no visible damage to the fuse lage, empennage, or landing gear. The mass balance weights on both ailerons were absent. The steel tubes supporting the mass balances separated immedi ately forward of the weld attachment to the aileron torque tube in the vici nity of the heat affected region of the weld. Both failures exhibited a she ar lip on the top portion and downward bending on the bottom portion. There was no damage to control stops or evidence of over-travel."=0A----------------- NOTE: -"There was no damage to control stops or evidence of over-travel."=0AIf the counterwe ight had been installed correctly, the forces needed to tear off the weight would have also ripped out the stop.




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