---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/16/12: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:25 AM - Re: Acceleration (Gary L Vogt) 2. 05:58 PM - Re: Acceleration (FLYaDIVE) 3. 10:10 PM - Re: Acceleration (Gary L Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Acceleration From: Gary L Vogt I also had a ride in an F-16 powered by a P&W 229. Full burner takeoff. Tha t was fun. Gary Sent from my iPad On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > I rode the one in Vegas also. Great ride. Similar one at Magic Mountain i n SoCal. > > From: Linn Walters > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Acceleration > > The best dose of acceleration I've had was on the 'Nascar roller coaster', just up the street from the Stratosphere, Las Vegas. The linear accelerato r shoots out through a hole in the wall, 90 degree turn, a loop and a 'verti cal. Then it's backwards to the start. I rode it a dozen times and still c ouldn't prepare for the 'shot'. They do it twice per ticket but my buddy (w ho also likes 'coasters) bought the day pass. He only rode twice. > Wish I knew how fast we were going when the 'shot' quit!!! > Linn > > > On 2/15/2012 7:06 PM, Casey Mccain wrote: >> >> Catapult endspeed for an F/A-18E/F at max cat (66,000lbs) with no asymmet rical loading is 161kts. An asym level 3 shot (17,001-29,000lbs of asymmetr ical loading) at the same weight has an endspeed of 174kts. 15-25kts of wind across the deck is ideal, although launches with 0 wind are possible. The c atapult stroke is indeed about 300ft, cats 3 and 4 are slightly shorter than cats 1 and 2. The acceleration of each stroke is carefully controlled depen ding on aircraft weight so as to not rip off the nose gear. 2.5 seconds is p robably a good average time. There are the numbers, I don't do math in publi c. I've never been in a dragster, but an asym 3 shot off cat 4 is something t hat you will NEVER forget. >> >> LT Casey "Shackle" McCain >> VFA-106 >> '79 AA5-B >> >> >> Time: 02:27:26 PM PST US >> From: Larry Matteo >> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Fw: Acceleration >> >> Seems to me , as usual, Ron has=C2-ALL the answers. He seems to have fo rg >> otten, =0Athough, that the carrier is probably doing 20 knots or so int o th >> e wind of, =0Alet's say=C2-another 10 to 20 knots. SO now the accelle rati >> on is really 0 to=C2-80 or =0A90 knots in 300 feet. What's that compu te t >> o?=0AIt is still conceivable that the carrier launched plane is still a t a >> =C2-greater =0Aaccelleration (or 'g') but it is for a much shorter pe riod >> .=0A=C2-Larry Matteo=0Alarrymatteo@sbcglobal.net=0A"Nothing is so contagi >> ous as enthusiasm." >> >> >> > > _blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http: /======== > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Acceleration From: FLYaDIVE Gary: I did not think you were that young. My flight was back seat F4. Korea 1973-74. Barry On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Gary L Vogt wrote: > I also had a ride in an F-16 powered by a P&W 229. Full burner takeoff. > That was fun. > > Gary > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > > I rode the one in Vegas also. Great ride. Similar one at Magic Mountain > in SoCal. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Linn Walters > *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:13 PM > *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Acceleration > > The best dose of acceleration I've had was on the 'Nascar roller > coaster', just up the street from the Stratosphere, Las Vegas. The linear > accelerator shoots out through a hole in the wall, 90 degree turn, a loop > and a 'vertical. Then it's backwards to the start. I rode it a dozen > times and still couldn't prepare for the 'shot'. They do it twice per > ticket but my buddy (who also likes 'coasters) bought the day pass. He > only rode twice. > Wish I knew how fast we were going when the 'shot' quit!!! > Linn > > > On 2/15/2012 7:06 PM, Casey Mccain wrote: > > Catapult endspeed for an F/A-18E/F at max cat (66,000lbs) with no > asymmetrical loading is 161kts. An asym level 3 shot (17,001-29,000lbs of > asymmetrical loading) at the same weight has an endspeed of 174kts. > 15-25kts of wind across the deck is ideal, although launches with 0 wind > are possible. The catapult stroke is indeed about 300ft, cats 3 and 4 are > slightly shorter than cats 1 and 2. The acceleration of each stroke is > carefully controlled depending on aircraft weight so as to not rip off the > nose gear. 2.5 seconds is probably a good average time. There are the > numbers, I don't do math in public. I've never been in a dragster, but an > asym 3 shot off cat 4 is something that you will NEVER forget. > > LT Casey "Shackle" McCain > VFA-106 > '79 AA5-B > > > Time: 02:27:26 PM PST US > From: Larry Matteo > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Fw: Acceleration > > Seems to me , as usual, Ron has=C2-ALL the answers. He seems to have forg > otten, =0Athough, that the carrier is probably doing 20 knots or so into th > e wind of, =0Alet's say=C2-another 10 to 20 knots. SO now the accellerati > on is really 0 to=C2-80 or =0A90 knots in 300 feet. What's that compute t > o?=0AIt is still conceivable that the carrier launched plane is still at a > =C2-greater =0Aaccelleration (or 'g') but it is for a much shorter period > .=0A=C2-Larry Matteo=0Alarrymatteo@sbcglobal.net=0A"Nothing is so contagi > ous as enthusiasm." > > * > > * > > > *_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http:/======== > * > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Acceleration From: Gary L Vogt I was a propulsion engineer for the Air Force. Free rides. Gary Sent from my iPad On Feb 16, 2012, at 5:40 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Gary: > > I did not think you were that young. > > My flight was back seat F4. Korea 1973-74. > > Barry > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Gary L Vogt wrote : > I also had a ride in an F-16 powered by a P&W 229. Full burner takeoff. T hat was fun. > > Gary > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > >> I rode the one in Vegas also. Great ride. Similar one at Magic Mountain in SoCal. >> >> From: Linn Walters >> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:13 PM >> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Acceleration >> >> The best dose of acceleration I've had was on the 'Nascar roller coaster' , just up the street from the Stratosphere, Las Vegas. The linear accelerat or shoots out through a hole in the wall, 90 degree turn, a loop and a 'vert ical. Then it's backwards to the start. I rode it a dozen times and still c ouldn't prepare for the 'shot'. They do it twice per ticket but my buddy (w ho also likes 'coasters) bought the day pass. He only rode twice. >> Wish I knew how fast we were going when the 'shot' quit!!! >> Linn >> >> >> On 2/15/2012 7:06 PM, Casey Mccain wrote: >>> >>> Catapult endspeed for an F/A-18E/F at max cat (66,000lbs) with no asymme trical loading is 161kts. An asym level 3 shot (17,001-29,000lbs of asymmet rical loading) at the same weight has an endspeed of 174kts. 15-25kts of win d across the deck is ideal, although launches with 0 wind are possible. The c atapult stroke is indeed about 300ft, cats 3 and 4 are slightly shorter than cats 1 and 2. The acceleration of each stroke is carefully controlled depen ding on aircraft weight so as to not rip off the nose gear. 2.5 seconds is p robably a good average time. There are the numbers, I don't do math in publi c. I've never been in a dragster, but an asym 3 shot off cat 4 is something t hat you will NEVER forget. >>> >>> LT Casey "Shackle" McCain >>> VFA-106 >>> '79 AA5-B >>> >>> >>> Time: 02:27:26 PM PST US >>> From: Larry Matteo >>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Fw: Acceleration >>> >>> Seems to me , as usual, Ron has=C2-ALL the answers. He seems to have f org >>> otten, =0Athough, that the carrier is probably doing 20 knots or so in to th >>> e wind of, =0Alet's say=C2-another 10 to 20 knots. SO now the accell erati >>> on is really 0 to=C2-80 or =0A90 knots in 300 feet. What's that comp ute t >>> o?=0AIt is still conceivable that the carrier launched plane is still a t a >>> =C2-greater =0Aaccelleration (or 'g') but it is for a much shorter p eriod >>> .=0A=C2-Larry Matteo=0Alarrymatteo@sbcglobal.net=0A"Nothing is s o contagi >>> ous as enthusiasm." >>> >>> >>> >> >> _blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http :/======== >> >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution >> > > > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.