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1. 12:28 AM - Re: Cabin heat nylon bushings (grumpyparts)
2. 02:34 AM - Re: Re: Acceleration and wild rides (FLYaDIVE)
3. 08:09 AM - Oil Consumption (brian sandberg)
4. 09:05 AM - Re: Oil Consumption (923TE)
5. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Cabin heat nylon bushings (Gary Vogt)
6. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: Acceleration and wild rides (Gary Vogt)
7. 11:20 AM - Re: Oil Consumption (Gary Vogt)
8. 02:06 PM - Re: Oil Consumption (923te)
9. 02:42 PM - Re: Oil consumption has increased...maybe (flyv35b)
10. 05:07 PM - Re: Oil consumption has increased...maybe (FLYaDIVE)
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin heat nylon bushings |
Is this what you are looking for.
http://www.esterline.com/Portals/8/NMC/PDF/FlipGrommet_07.pdf
Looks like they are in your part part of the woods.
Ian
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366579#366579
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| Subject: | Re: Acceleration and wild rides |
And Adam said: I can piss up a rope and around a tree.
And Eve said: Big deal, I can have multiple orgasms.
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
>
> Ok, pissing contest getting started.
>
> 1). 3 air-to-air combat training flights to test P&W engines with new
> software.
>
Big deal: I did that in a Citrabia, WITHOUT any software. Unless you want
to count a parachute.
> 2). Terracing following shakedown flight in Lake Isabella MOA. 400 knots
> and 100 foot AGL.
>
Big deal: I did that bit SLOWER and LOWER - 100 Kts and TOUCHING GROUND at
100 Kts in my AA5 on a 6000 Ft runway... FULL SPEED. Not a landing.
Done intentionally.
3). GPS qualification with new engine software. 10 bombing runs using GPS
> tracking bombs.
>
Big deal: I Don't need no stink'n GPS... Did three bomb runs at AYA
conventions WITHOUT any GPS tracking bombs. Didn't hit anything else but
the GROUND.
> 4). During shakedown flight, was given the stick and taught how to do 4
> and 8 point rolls.
>
Big deal: Ever do a ONE Point Roll? And a 8 point roll is only a 4 point
roll multiplied by 2.
> 5). Air-to-air refueling with the Flight Test Center Commander, General
> Engel. Testing a modification to correct engine response.
>
OK, OK, you beat me here: The best I ever did was a half of a Split S in an
O-2 with Tracers coming up at me as I was putting Smoke on a target for two
F4's.
>
> As a propulsion engineer, we got to ride in the backseat of our test
> aircraft. Flights occurred over a period of just over year.
>
As a SCUBA Instructor I got to ride Right Seat (O-2) with Colonel Watt in
Korea.
I was on Colonel Watt's Dive Team, he was my SCUBA student and this was the
First SPORT Dive Team EVER to dive Korea.
OK, My BLADDER is empty.
Barry
Sent from my Home Build PC - I don't need NO stink'n iPad
WMHwwwwwwaaaa
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > I was a Navy TACAN tech on San Clemente Island. The carriers used to do
> quals steaming between SCI and Catalina. The TACAN on the carrier (forget
> the name) went down while their techs were gone, and I got the repair call.
> A Lieutenant picked me up in an F-4 along with my tools and a short
> (really short) trip to a trap on the carrier. I really thought we crashed
> and the airplane was totalled!
> >
> > Repaired the antenna (what a view of the deck ops!!!), had lunch, and a
> shot in a different F-4, different Lieutenant ... maybe the first one was
> totalled??? :-)
> >
> > I got to roll and loop the F-4 on a much longer trip back to the island.
> I need to tell you that at that point in my aviation hobby all I knew
> about were radio control airplanes. But what a ride it was.
> > Linn
> >
> >
> > On 2/17/2012 9:47 AM, lmassaro wrote:
> >> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "lmassaro"<
> lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
> >>
> >> Whatever the acceleration is, its a kick in the ass.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, never had the opportunity to cat or trap in a fighter,
> but have done it four times in a C-2 while a tech rep on USS Stennis and
> USS Carl Vinson. I assume it is a much more benign catapult than an
> F/A-18, but let me tell you, it is an e-ticket ride. Sitting backwards in
> the cargo space during the cat adds an interesting twist. Trapping is
> pretty boring IMHO.
> >>
> >> Funny side story. On one cat, the one of the cargo crew immediately
> unclipped their harness. Well, the C-2 pilot decided to fly back to San
> Diego (about 80 nm) at about 200 MSL. He pushed over and I watched the
> crewmember go airborne then come crashing down. Funny. Good thing he was
> wearing headgear.
> >>
> >> Lawrence Massaro
> >> 9186M 1992 AG-5B KRNM
> >> 626FT 1991 AG-5B KAUN
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366470#366470
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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Compressions have been good at every annual for years=2C and power output i
s still great with normal EGT/CHT across the cylinders=2C but I'll recheck
for blowby. I never fill more than 6 quarts and find it settles around 5.5
quarts. It is possible that I simply didn't add as much as I thought befo
re the 5.5 hour flight from DC to Memphis=3B landed with just more than 4 q
uarts remaining (cold engine) which is the lowest I've ever seen and way be
low my comfort level despite the Lycoming recommendations. Maybe 1/4-1/3 q
uart lost per hour doesn't seem horrible. Perhaps the 2 straight hours in
crazy turbulence entrained extra oil overboard=2C although that seems like
a stretch.
Breather 1-1.5 inches out like normal. Thanks.
-Brian
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Consumption |
Brian,
I have been experimenting with placement of the breather tube. I haven't fin
ished but I have found that it makes a difference on "overboard" oil. I left
the whole breather tube inside the cowl near the bottom and lost very littl
e oil. There was just a very little bit puddled just below the breather tube
exit on the cowl floor. With the tube end flush with the outside of the cow
l it loses more, enough oil to track the belly all the way to the tail. With
it out about an inch it loses less oil than that. That's the extent of my t
esting so far. My plane is similar to yours where it settles around 6 qts bu
t that is also dependent on where the breather exit is. I'm thinking that th
e best place for the breather exit will be somewhere in front of the exit ra
mp inside the cowl where I expect the pressure to be slightly higher than on
the outside of the cowl.
Regards,
Ned
<><
On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:09 AM, brian sandberg <sandbag23@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Compressions have been good at every annual for years, and power output is
still great with normal EGT/CHT across the cylinders, but I'll recheck for b
lowby. I never fill more than 6 quarts and find it settles around 5.5 quart
s. It is possible that I simply didn't add as much as I thought before the 5
.5 hour flight from DC to Memphis; landed with just more than 4 quarts remai
ning (cold engine) which is the lowest I've ever seen and way below my comfo
rt level despite the Lycoming recommendations. Maybe 1/4-1/3 quart lost per
hour doesn't seem horrible. Perhaps the 2 straight hours in crazy turbulen
ce entrained extra oil overboard, although that seems like a stretch.
>
> Breather 1-1.5 inches out like normal. Thanks.
>
> -Brian
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin heat nylon bushings |
Thanks Ian. -I'll order one tomorrow.=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____=0A From: grumpyparts <i.r.m@btinternet.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@ma
tronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:26 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrum
man-List: Re: Cabin heat nylon bushings=0A =0A--> TeamGrumman-List message
posted by: "grumpyparts" <i.r.m@btinternet.com>=0A=0AIs this what you are l
ooking for.=0Ahttp://www.esterline.com/Portals/8/NMC/PDF/FlipGrommet_07.pdf
=0A=0ALooks like they are in your part part of the woods.=0A=0AIan=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop
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| Subject: | Re: Acceleration and wild rides |
"As a SCUBA Instructor I got to ride Right Seat (O-2) with Colonel Watt in
Korea.-=0AI was on Colonel Watt's Dive Team, he was my SCUBA student and
this was the First SPORT Dive Team EVER to dive Korea."=0A=0ANow, if you ha
d said you flew with Lt Col Iceal E. "Gene" Hambleton in Vietnam, I would w
ould have asked for an autograph.=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0A From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.co
m =0ASent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:31 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-Lis
t: Re: Acceleration and wild rides=0A =0A=0AAnd Adam said: -I can piss up
a rope and around a tree.=0AAnd Eve said: -Big deal, I can have multiple
-orgasms.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgr
Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>=0A>=0A>Ok, pissing contest getting started.
=0A>=0A>1). 3 air-to-air combat training flights to test P&W engines with n
ew software.=0A>=0ABig deal: I did that in a Citrabia, WITHOUT any software
. -Unless you want to count a parachute.=0A-=0A2). Terracing following
shakedown flight in Lake Isabella MOA. 400 knots and 100 foot AGL.=0A>=0ABi
g deal: -I did that bit SLOWER and LOWER - 100 Kts and-TOUCHING-GROUN
D at 100 Kts in my AA5 on a 6000 Ft runway... FULL SPEED. -Not a landing.
-Done-intentionally.=0A=0A3). GPS qualification with new engine softwa
re. 10 bombing runs using GPS tracking bombs.=0A>=0ABig deal: -I Don't ne
ed no stink'n GPS... -Did three bomb runs at AYA conventions WITHOUT any
GPS tracking bombs. -Didn't hit anything else but the GROUND.=0A-=0A4).
During shakedown flight, was given the stick and taught how to do 4 and 8
point rolls.=0A>=0ABig deal: -Ever do a ONE Point Roll? -And a 8 point
roll is only a 4 point roll multiplied by 2.=0A-=0A5). Air-to-air refueli
ng with the Flight Test Center Commander, General Engel. Testing a modifica
tion to correct engine response.=0A>=0AOK, OK, you beat me here: The best I
ever did was a half of a Split S in an O-2 with Tracers coming up at me as
I was putting Smoke on a target for two F4's.-=0A=0A>As a propulsion eng
ineer, we got to ride in the backseat of our test aircraft. Flights occurre
d over a period of just over year.=0A>=0AAs a SCUBA Instructor I got to rid
e Right Seat (O-2) with Colonel Watt in Korea.-=0AI was on Colonel Watt's
Dive Team, he was my SCUBA student and this was the First SPORT Dive Team
EVER to dive Korea.=0A=0AOK, My BLADDER is empty.=0A=0ABarry=0ASent from my
Home Build PC - I don't need NO stink'n iPad=0AWMHwwwwwwaaaa=0A=0A>Gary=0A
>Sent from my iPad=0A>=0A>On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Linn Walters <pitts_
pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:=0A>=0A>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by
: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>=0A>>=0A>> I was a Navy TACAN tec
h on San Clemente Island. -The carriers used to do quals steaming between
SCI and Catalina. -The TACAN on the carrier (forget the name) went down
while their techs were gone, and I got the repair call. -A Lieutenant -
picked me up in an F-4 along with my tools and a short (really short) trip
to a trap on the carrier. -I really thought we crashed and the airplane w
as totalled!=0A>>=0A>> Repaired the antenna (what a view of the deck ops!!!
), had lunch, and a shot in a different F-4, different Lieutenant ... maybe
the first one was totalled??? :-)=0A>>=0A>> I got to roll and loop the F-4
on a much longer trip back to the island. -I need to tell you that at th
at point in my aviation hobby all I knew about were radio control airplanes
. -But what a ride it was.=0A>> Linn=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> On 2/17/2012 9:47 AM,
lmassaro wrote:=0A>>> --> -TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "lmassaro
"<lmassaro@tac-eng.com>=0A>>>=0A>>> Whatever the acceleration is, its a kic
k in the ass.=0A>>>=0A>>> Unfortunately, never had the opportunity to cat o
r trap in a fighter, but have done it four times in a C-2 while a tech rep
on USS Stennis and USS Carl Vinson. -I assume it is a much more benign ca
tapult than an F/A-18, but let me tell you, it is an e-ticket ride. -Sitt
ing backwards in the cargo space during the cat adds an interesting twist.
-Trapping is pretty boring IMHO.=0A>>>=0A>>> Funny side story. On one cat
, the one of the cargo crew immediately unclipped their harness. -Well, t
he C-2 pilot decided to fly back to San Diego (about 80 nm) at about 200 MS
L. -He pushed over and I watched the crewmember go airborne then come cra
shing down. -Funny. -Good thing he was wearing headgear.=0A>>>=0A>>> La
wrence Massaro=0A>>> 9186M 1992 AG-5B KRNM=0A>>> 626FT -1991 AG-5B KAUN
=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> Read this topic online here:=0A>>>=0A>>> htt
p://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366470#366470=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Consumption |
I played with this a little also. -I did the 'inside the cowl' trick. -
Problem is, the engine needs to be evacuated. -I ran the breather to the
airbox on my Cheetah for a while. -I also thought about a PVC valve and t
hen to the rocker box. -Too much aggravation. -=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0A From: 923TE <923te@att.net>=0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@ma
tronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, February 19,
2012 9:04 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Oil Consumption=0A =0A=0ABri
an,=0AI have been experimenting with placement of the breather tube. I have
n't finished but I have found that it makes a difference on "overboard" oil
. I left the whole breather tube inside the cowl near the bottom and lost v
ery little oil. There was just a very little bit puddled just below the bre
ather tube exit on the cowl floor. With the tube end flush with the outside
of the cowl it loses more, enough oil to track the belly all the way to th
e tail. With it out about an inch it loses less oil than that. That's the e
xtent of my testing so far. My plane is similar to yours where it settles a
round 6 qts but that is also dependent on where the breather exit is. I'm t
hinking that the best place for the breather exit will be somewhere in fron
t of the exit ramp inside the cowl where I expect the pressure to be slight
ly higher than on the outside of the cowl.=0ARegards,=0ANed=0A=0A<><=0A=0AO
n Feb 19, 2012, at 10:09 AM, brian sandberg <sandbag23@msn.com> wrote:=0A
=0A=0A =0A>=0A>Compressions have been good at every annual for years, and p
ower output is still great with normal EGT/CHT across the cylinders, but I'
ll recheck for blowby.- I never fill more than 6 quarts and find it settl
es around 5.5 quarts.- It is possible that I simply didn't add as much as
I thought before the 5.5 hour flight from DC to Memphis; landed with just
more than 4 quarts remaining (cold engine) which is the lowest I've ever se
en and way below my comfort level despite the Lycoming recommendations.-
Maybe 1/4-1/3 quart lost per hour doesn't seem horrible.- Perhaps the 2 s
traight hours in crazy turbulence entrained extra oil overboard, although t
hat seems like a stretch.=0A>-=0A>Breather 1-1.5 inches out like normal.
- Thanks.=0A>-=0A>-Brian=0A>=0A>=============
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Consumption |
Would have been nice if this model of the Lycoming had some valve stem
seals. Might have helped with too much oil capor in the crankcase and
maybe less coking on the stems. Gee even the lowly VW and Corvair had
valve stem seals!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Vogt
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Oil Consumption
I played with this a little also. I did the 'inside the cowl' trick.
Problem is, the engine needs to be evacuated. I ran the breather to the
airbox on my Cheetah for a while. I also thought about a PVC valve and
then to the rocker box. Too much aggravation.
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From: 923TE <923te@att.net>
To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Oil Consumption
Brian,
I have been experimenting with placement of the breather tube. I
haven't finished but I have found that it makes a difference on
"overboard" oil. I left the whole breather tube inside the cowl near the
bottom and lost very little oil. There was just a very little bit
puddled just below the breather tube exit on the cowl floor. With the
tube end flush with the outside of the cowl it loses more, enough oil to
track the belly all the way to the tail. With it out about an inch it
loses less oil than that. That's the extent of my testing so far. My
plane is similar to yours where it settles around 6 qts but that is also
dependent on where the breather exit is. I'm thinking that the best
place for the breather exit will be somewhere in front of the exit ramp
inside the cowl where I expect the pressure to be slightly higher than
on the outside of the cowl.
Regards,
Ned
<><
On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:09 AM, brian sandberg <sandbag23@msn.com>
wrote:
Compressions have been good at every annual for years, and power
output is still great with normal EGT/CHT across the cylinders, but I'll
recheck for blowby. I never fill more than 6 quarts and find it settles
around 5.5 quarts. It is possible that I simply didn't add as much as I
thought before the 5.5 hour flight from DC to Memphis; landed with just
more than 4 quarts remaining (cold engine) which is the lowest I've ever
seen and way below my comfort level despite the Lycoming
recommendations. Maybe 1/4-1/3 quart lost per hour doesn't seem
horrible. Perhaps the 2 straight hours in crazy turbulence entrained
extra oil overboard, although that seems like a stretch.
Breather 1-1.5 inches out like normal. Thanks.
-Brian
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| Subject: | Re: Oil consumption has increased...maybe |
On 2/18/2012 7:02 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
> Check compressions for blow-by. An air-oil separator will only cost you
> money. I have 3 of the M-20 air-oil separators. I'd sell you one. (smile)
The M-20 is almost worthless!
Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Oil consumption has increased...maybe |
No it's not Cliff...
It made a lot of money for the guy that holds the STC.
Barry
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:42 PM, flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/18/2012 7:02 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
>
> Check compressions for blow-by. An air-oil separator will only cost you
>> money. I have 3 of the M-20 air-oil separators. I'd sell you one. (smile)
>>
>
> The M-20 is almost worthless!
>
> Cliff
>
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