---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/24/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:39 PM - instrument panels (Gary Vogt) 2. 03:30 PM - Re: Tiger Mods (923te) 3. 03:36 PM - Re: instrument panels (jetinc@comcast.net) 4. 03:41 PM - Re: instrument panels (923te) 5. 07:38 PM - Re: instrument panels (jetinc@comcast.net) 6. 07:43 PM - Re: Tiger Mods (923te) 7. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Tiger Mods (Gary Vogt) 8. 08:46 PM - Re: instrument panels (Gary Vogt) 9. 09:27 PM - Re: instrument panels (jetinc@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:06 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels A contrast in concept. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:01 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@att.net> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Mods Hi Richard, I have copied this to the Team Grumman list. The Jaguar is an engine cowling that was made available thru an STC about 2 years ago. It was developed by Gary Vogt who has a website and a Grumman oriented discussion list. His website is: http://www.aucountry.com/ some pictures of the cowling: http://www.aucountry.com/Team_Folder/Cowling_Folder/index_Cowling.html There is a sign up link for the discussion list on his website. The Jaguar is differnet than the LoPresti in that the LoPresti is actually only a nose bowl replacement and not an entire cowling like the Jaguar is. It also includes a complete set of superior aluminum engine baffles. The Jaguar was a needed part as many of the factory cowlings are gettig beyond repair and there were no new replacements available. But the Jaguar is really much better than the original factory cowl as you can gather from reviewing it on Gary's website. I think it took about 10 years for Gary to get the Jaguar approved with countless changes over the years of development. It greatly enhances the cooling, speed and looks of the Tiger. Your Fellow Grumman Enthusiast, Ned May I ask---what is the Jaguar referred to on your picassa sight? Thanks again, Richard ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:42 PM PST US From: jetinc@comcast.net Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels Wow! I'm glad I downgraded to Jeeps. I can only guess how expensive all that av gear must have cost. Then again, both are very sweet panels. Gary, want to help me design a new panel for my 1972 CJ-5? Eddie Former Owner: N3752W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Vogt" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:38:10 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels A contrast in concept. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:08 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels Are you Fast Eddie? If so, do you still have your Cirrus? How would you compare your Cirrus ownership experience to your Tiger owner experience? ned ----- Original Message ----- From: jetinc@comcast.net To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:36 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels Wow! I'm glad I downgraded to Jeeps. I can only guess how expensive all that av gear must have cost. Then again, both are very sweet panels. Gary, want to help me design a new panel for my 1972 CJ-5? Eddie Former Owner: N3752W ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "Gary Vogt" To: "Teamgrumman List" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:38:10 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels A contrast in concept. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:26 PM PST US From: jetinc@comcast.net Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels I'm fast Eddie, but not the one with a Cirrus. Not yet anyway..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "923te" <923te@att.net> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:43:56 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels Are you Fast Eddie? If so, do you still have your Cirrus? How would you compare your Cirrus ownership experience to your Tiger owner experience? ned ----- Original Message ----- From: jetinc@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:36 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels Wow! I'm glad I downgraded to Jeeps. I can only guess how expensive all that av gear must have cost. Then again, both are very sweet panels. Gary, want to help me design a new panel for my 1972 CJ-5? Eddie Former Owner: N3752W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Vogt" < teamgrumman@yahoo.com > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:38:10 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels A contrast in concept. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:13 PM PST US From: 923te <923te@att.net> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Mods The top cowling is hinged down the center just like the factory cowl. The si de has 5 zus quarter turn fasteners. So to check oil is almost as fast as on one of the factory cowls. Just open that side of the top. No problem. Only n ow I don't get poked in the head by the factory style latch spears (rods) My cooling improved by about 50 degrees. It went from the 380's to the 330's . My speed has increased some. I am still doing flight testing to determine t he speed increase. My Tiger was already fast from all the speed mods I had done. So it makes se nse to me that I won't see the same speed increase that the others have seen with the Jaguar cowl. I wish speed mods were cumulative and you could count on just adding up what each mod contributes by itself without any other mod s having been dome but it just doesn't work that way. The fact that I've gained about 50 degrees of cooling tells me that PART of t he cost of that additional cooling is probably additional drag. I'm talking a bout more cooling drag than I had before the Jaguar. If I were able to reduc e the cooling airflow to the point that my CHT's are back to 380's then I wo uld expect to see more speed. If done right one should be able to reduce the air exit volume while increasing the exit velocity of the cooling air. So t he goal would be to decrease the mass flow and increase the exit velocity. T wo seemingly contradictory things On the other hand, everything is finally starting to come together and I've g ot speed and a cool running engine so perhaps leave well enough alone.... Ned On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:58 maPM, "Richard Walden" wrote: > Thanks again Ned. The cowling looks pretty nice. Did you get the adverti sed gain in speed and the cooling? Question=94how do you check the oi l- remove all the screws on that side? > > Thanks Ned. > > Richard > > > > From: 923te [mailto:923te@att.net] > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:33 PM > To: Richard Walden > Cc: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Tiger Mods > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > I have copied this to the Team Grumman list. > > > > The Jaguar is an engine cowling that was made available thru an STC about 2 years ago. It was developed by Gary Vogt who has a website and a Grumman or iented discussion list. His website is: http://www.aucountry.com/ some pict ures of the cowling: http://www.aucountry.com/Team_Folder/Cowling_Folder/in dex_Cowling.html > > > > There is a sign up link for the discussion list on his website. > > > > The Jaguar is differnet than the LoPresti in that the LoPresti is actually only a nose bowl replacement and not an entire cowling like the Jaguar is. I t also includes a complete set of superior aluminum engine baffles. The Jagu ar was a needed part as many of the factory cowlings are gettig beyond repai r and there were no new replacements available. But the Jaguar is really muc h better than the original factory cowl as you can gather from reviewing it o n Gary's website. I think it took about 10 years for Gary to get the Jaguar a pproved with countless changes over the years of development. It greatly enh ances the cooling, speed and looks of the Tiger. > > > > Your Fellow Grumman Enthusiast, > > Ned > > > > > > May I ask---what is the Jaguar referred to on your picassa sight? > > Thanks again, > > Richard > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:15 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Mods thanks Ned=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: 923te <923te@a tt.net>=0ATo: Richard Walden =0ASent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:32 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Mods=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB =0AHi Richard,=0A=C2-=0AI have copied this to the Team G rumman =0Alist.=0A=C2-=0AThe Jaguar is an engine cowling that was made =0Aavailable thru an STC about 2 years ago. It was developed by Gary Vogt w ho has a =0Awebsite and a Grumman oriented discussion list. His website is: http://www.aucountry.com/=C2- some pictures of the cowling:=C2- http:/ /www.aucountry.com/Team_Folder/Cowling_Folder/index_Cowling.html=0A=C2- =0AThere is a sign up link for the discussion =0Alist=C2-on his website. =0A=C2-=0AThe Jaguar is differnet than the LoPresti in =0Athat the LoPres ti is actually only a nose bowl replacement and not an entire =0Acowling li ke the Jaguar is. It also includes a complete set of superior aluminum =0Ae ngine baffles. The Jaguar was a needed part as many of the factory cowlings are =0Agettig beyond repair and there were no new replacements available. But the =0AJaguar is really much better than the original factory cowl as y ou =0Acan=C2-gather from reviewing it on Gary's website. I think it took about 10 =0Ayears for Gary to get the Jaguar approved with countless change s over the years =0Aof development. It greatly enhances the cooling, speed and looks of the =0ATiger.=0A=C2-=0AYour Fellow Grumman Enthusiast,=0ANed =0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=C2- May I ask---what is the Jaguar referred ================ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:45 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels I'd love to design a panel for a Jeep.=0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____=0A From: "jetinc@comcast.net" =0ATo: teamgrumman-l ist@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:36 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels=0A =0A=0AWow! -I'm glad I downgraded to Jeeps. -I can only guess how expensive all that av gear must have cos t. -Then again, both are very sweet panels. -Gary, want to help me desi gn a new panel for my 1972 CJ-5?=0A=0AEddie=0AFormer Owner: N3752W=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0AFrom: "Gary Vogt" =0ATo: "Teamgrumman List" =0ASent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:38:10 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panel ===== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:09 PM PST US From: jetinc@comcast.net Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels Cool! We'll talk about it in the near future. Currently working on putting an engine together for it. Lovin' it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Vogt" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:44:38 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels I'd love to design a panel for a Jeep. From: "jetinc@comcast.net" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels Wow! I'm glad I downgraded to Jeeps. I can only guess how expensive all that av gear must have cost. Then again, both are very sweet panels. Gary, want to help me design a new panel for my 1972 CJ-5? Eddie Former Owner: N3752W From: "Gary Vogt" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:38:10 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: instrument panels A contrast in concept. _blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http:/========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.