---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/05/12: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:25 AM - Re: Interesting Article on Failing inspection. (flyv35b) 2. 10:43 AM - Re: Interesting Article on Failing inspection. (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:25 AM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Interesting Article on Failing inspection. On 3/4/2012 11:21 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: > I made my own inspection checklist just because of this. The order of > items to be checked does a number of engine checks that might fail an > annual. For example, I got caught in a "catch 22" with an engine that > failed a compression test but I'd already changed the oil and checked > the timing. > > Gary > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 4, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Walt Beaulieu > wrote: > >> Interesting article... I did not know this. >> >> http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201203?pg=54#pg54 >> This has been noted in the FAR's for as long as I can remember. It is rarely used, however. I think I only failed to sign off one annual inspection and provided the owner a list of discrepancies during the past 15 years. Mike does make an interesting comment that an owner can request a list of discrepancies and such a sign off if he disagrees with the IA over some issue, and then take it to some other A&P who may agree with the owner and thereby get the discrepancy "corrected". This could be a very subjective decision on the part of both. Seems like the IA doing the annual inspection should state his reason as to why the item is unairworthy. Also, I have wondered why the IA should not put the list of discrepancies in the log book rather than handing the owner a list of a piece of paper which could be modified and even forged. Cliff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:37 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Interesting Article on Failing inspection. "Also, I have wondered why the IA should not put the list of discrepancies in the log book rather than handing the owner a list of a piece of paper wh ich could be modified and even forged."=0A=0AMy thoughts exactly. -I keep a running inspection checklist and give that to the owner. -=0A=0AThe pl ane I flew to Ames, IA, I had bee maintaining for 6 years. -LOTS of comme nts in the checklist. -I told the owner to request just the checklist. -Lot more info in it. -=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro m: flyv35b =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2012 6:24 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Int eresting Article on Failing inspection.=0A =0A--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: flyv35b =0A=0AOn 3/4/2012 11:21 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:=0A> I made my own inspection checklist just because of this. The order of=0A> items to be checked does a number of engine checks that m ight fail an=0A> annual. For example, I got caught in a "catch 22" with an engine that=0A> failed a compression test but I'd already changed the oil a nd checked=0A> the timing.=0A> =0A> Gary=0A> Sent from my iPad=0A> =0A> On Mar 4, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Walt Beaulieu > wrote:=0A> =0A>> Interesting article... I did not know this.=0A>> =0A>> http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/2012 03?pg=54#pg54=0A>> =0A=0AThis has been noted in the FAR's for as long as I can remember.- It is rarely used, however.- I think I only failed to sign off one annual inspection and provided the owner a list of discrepanci es during the past 15 years.- Mike does make an interesting comment that an owner can request a list of discrepancies and such a sign off if he disa grees with the IA over some issue, and then take it to some other A&P who m ay agree with the owner and thereby get the discrepancy "corrected".- Thi s could be a very subjective decision on the part of both.- Seems like th e IA doing the annual inspection should state his reason as to why the item is unairworthy.=0A=0AAlso, I have wondered why the IA should not put the l ist of discrepancies in the log book rather than handing the owner a list o f a piece of paper which could be modified and even forged.=0A=0ACliff=0A ================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.