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1. 12:13 AM - Re: Windshields (Dan Baisley)
2. 11:19 AM - Re: Windshields (Gary Vogt)
3. 12:16 PM - 1978 Tiger for sale (Gary Vogt)
4. 12:38 PM - Re: Baffles (lmassaro)
5. 12:49 PM - Re: 1978 Tiger for sale (923te)
6. 12:51 PM - Re: 1978 Tiger for sale (923te)
7. 02:38 PM - Re: 1978 Tiger for sale (Rick Young)
8. 07:56 PM - Re: 1978 Tiger for sale (Gary Vogt)
9. 08:00 PM - Re: 1978 Tiger for sale (Gary Vogt)
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Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Pebkac???
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> Kevin
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> Dan Baisley <slacktide@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >Link works fine in Gmail. Looks normal. Works fine, even from a machin
e
> >which has never logged into Facebook before. PEBKAC?
> >
> >Dan
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> >On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
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> >> Cannot select it to paste it. It does not appear as a link either. T
he
> >> text is very small compared to the rest of the email.
> >>
> >> I guess I give up. Ill go away now.
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >> Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> >Here is a link to the windshield I'm installing.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.315758175153026.75772.14207647
2521198&type=3&l=ae1d9ac86e
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin, select it and copy and paste into your browser. That's is how
I
> >> got it from the photo page: I selected it, copied it, and pasted it
> here.
> >> >
> >> >Gary
> >> >=93You can please some of the people all of the time and you can plea
se
> >> some the people all of the time. But you can=92t please all the peopl
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> >> the time.=94
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A sense of humor. =C2-I love it.=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0A From: Dan Baisley <slacktide@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronic
s.com =0ASent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:13 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-L
ist: Windshields=0A =0A=0AProblem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.=0A=0A
=0AOn Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrot
oo.com>=0A>=0A>Pebkac???=0A>=0A>Kevin=0A>=0A>=0A>Dan Baisley <slacktide@gma
il.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>>Link works fine in Gmail. =C2-Looks normal. =C2-
Works fine, even from a machine=0A>>which has never logged into Facebook be
fore. =C2-PEBKAC?=0A>>=0A>>Dan=0A>>=0A>>On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM,
Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> --> TeamGrumman-List m
essage posted by: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>=0A>>>=0A>>> Cannot sel
ect it to paste it. =C2-It does not appear as a link either. =C2-The=0A
>>> text is very small compared to the rest of the email.=0A>>>=0A>>> I gue
ss I give up. =C2-Ill go away now.=0A>>>=0A>>> Kevin=0A>>>=0A>>> Gary Vog
t <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>> >Here is a link to the windshi
eld I'm installing.=0A>>> >=0A>>> >=0A>>> http://www.facebook.com/media/set
/?set=a.315758175153026.75772.142076472521198&type=3&l=ae1d9ac86e=0A>
>> >=0A>>> >=0A>>> >Kevin, select it and copy and paste into your browser.
=C2-That's is how I=0A>>> got it from the photo page: =C2-I selected it
, copied it, and pasted it here.=0A>>> >=0A>>> >Gary=0A>>> >=9CYou ca
n please some of the people all of the time and you can please=0A>>> some t
he people all of the time. =C2-But you can=99t please all the peopl
e all=0A>>> the time.=9D=0A>>> >=0A>>> > ~ Abraham Lincoln=0A>>>=0A>>
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| Subject: | 1978 Tiger for sale |
One of my customers is selling his Tiger. -=0AThis is the first posting.
=0A=0AThe airframe has roughly 2400 hrs TTSN=0AEngine has roughly 550 hrs s
ince Lycon overhaul. -Dynoed at 205 hp.=0A$15,000 paint job in 2001. -I
t's still like new.=0A=0APlus, a ton of avionics. -=0AS-Tec 30=0ATCAD . .
. I mean REAL TCAD=0AAspen=0AMX-20=0A=0AI'm waiting for more pics. -I on
ly have old pics.=0A=0A-------------------------------=0AGo to my web site,
-www.AuCountry.com=0Aclick on restoration=0Ascan down to 2002 . . . -m
ost perfect Tiger.=0A-------------------------------=0A=0A=0AHe has over $1
75,000 in the plane since he bought it. -=0A=0AHe's asking $85,000. -
=0AIt's worth every penny. -=0A=0AThis is one of those planes that you ca
n buy and fly without wondering what you need to fix next.
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I don't think Gary likes it "simple". The more applicable word(s) are neat, serviceable,
and practical. He wants it so it is easy to work on. Being neat and
serviceable is the issue. Having one, two, three, or four displays is personal
preference. Heck, you can put Directv in the plane if that's what you want.
However, if any of it installed with little regard to the service aspects,
it is simply poor workmanship on the part of the avionics technician or whomever
did the installation(s).
Neat - Aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Adds perceived value to an aircraft
when things look neat and tight visually.
Serviceable/Practical - When someone looks at the wiring, and has to "fix" something.
The chaotic state of the wiring complicates that action significantly.
Keep in mind that making things "too neat" also poses a servicing problem if
everything was bound and shrinkwrapped, etc. The wiring of your panel makes
servicing, updating, upgrading, etc, a rather complicated effort.
Ive seen it first hand (not only in pics) and I agree with Gary that the wiring
on that plane is a mess. I cant throw too many rocks 'cause my wiring isn't
a work of art either, but has been improved and is fairly serviceable.
Your avionics tech needs to take the heat for this. Defend it all you want. The
facts are there. As viewed, it isn't neat, isn't installed in a practical
manner, and isn't very serviceable as is.
LJM
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368701#368701
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| Subject: | Re: 1978 Tiger for sale |
Looks like the one on your website called "The Perfect Tiger"
On Mar 16, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> One of my customers is selling his Tiger.
> This is the first posting.
>
> The airframe has roughly 2400 hrs TTSN
> Engine has roughly 550 hrs since Lycon overhaul. Dynoed at 205 hp.
> $15,000 paint job in 2001. It's still like new.
>
> Plus, a ton of avionics.
> S-Tec 30
> TCAD . . . I mean REAL TCAD
> Aspen
> MX-20
>
> I'm waiting for more pics. I only have old pics.
>
> -------------------------------
> Go to my web site, www.AuCountry.com
> click on restoration
> scan down to 2002 . . . most perfect Tiger.
> -------------------------------
>
> He has over $175,000 in the plane since he bought it.
>
> He's asking $85,000.
> It's worth every penny.
>
> This is one of those planes that you can buy and fly without wondering what you
need to fix next.
> <6-10-02 003.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: 1978 Tiger for sale |
I sometimes get the same kind of stuff that Ke in gets from Teamgrumman where se
parts of the email are so small a font you don't see it
Now I see that you already said it is the one on your website
Anyway what a deal on a better than new Tiger
On Mar 16, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> One of my customers is selling his Tiger.
> This is the first posting.
>
> The airframe has roughly 2400 hrs TTSN
> Engine has roughly 550 hrs since Lycon overhaul. Dynoed at 205 hp.
> $15,000 paint job in 2001. It's still like new.
>
> Plus, a ton of avionics.
> S-Tec 30
> TCAD . . . I mean REAL TCAD
> Aspen
> MX-20
>
> I'm waiting for more pics. I only have old pics.
>
> -------------------------------
> Go to my web site, www.AuCountry.com
> click on restoration
> scan down to 2002 . . . most perfect Tiger.
> -------------------------------
>
> He has over $175,000 in the plane since he bought it.
>
> He's asking $85,000.
> It's worth every penny.
>
> This is one of those planes that you can buy and fly without wondering what you
need to fix next.
> <6-10-02 003.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: 1978 Tiger for sale |
Gary
Please forward me the information you have and will be receiving. A couple of
years ago I called and spoke to your about getting a Tiger. Your advice was to
watch for a while and make sure I find the right one. Although you were a bit
more blunt than that. It seems that maybe the patience might have paid off.
I am very interested in this plane, it is funny, all the ones I have considered
I have factored in the cost of a glass cockpit as the other plane I have been
considering is a Diamond DA 40. Seeing that this one has an Aspen makes it
very desirable to me (along with the fact that it was virtually rebuilt in 2002).
Thanks,
Rick Young
rbyoung99@gmail.com
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> One of my customers is selling his Tiger.
> This is the first posting.
>
> The airframe has roughly 2400 hrs TTSN
> Engine has roughly 550 hrs since Lycon overhaul. Dynoed at 205 hp.
> $15,000 paint job in 2001. It's still like new.
>
> Plus, a ton of avionics.
> S-Tec 30
> TCAD . . . I mean REAL TCAD
> Aspen
> MX-20
>
> I'm waiting for more pics. I only have old pics.
>
> -------------------------------
> Go to my web site, www.AuCountry.com
> click on restoration
> scan down to 2002 . . . most perfect Tiger.
> -------------------------------
>
> He has over $175,000 in the plane since he bought it.
>
> He's asking $85,000.
> It's worth every penny.
>
> This is one of those planes that you can buy and fly without wondering what you
need to fix next.
> <6-10-02 003.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: 1978 Tiger for sale |
Duh, that's why I said go to my website and look up the perfect TIger=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0A From: 923te <923te@att.net>=0ATo: "t
eamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Fr
iday, March 16, 2012 12:47 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1978 Tiger f
=0A=0ALooks like the one on your website called "The Perfect Tiger"=0A=0AOn
Mar 16, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A>
One of my customers is selling his Tiger.- =0A> This is the first posting
.=0A> =0A> The airframe has roughly 2400 hrs TTSN=0A> Engine has roughly 55
0 hrs since Lycon overhaul.- Dynoed at 205 hp.=0A> $15,000 paint job in 2
001.- It's still like new.=0A> =0A> Plus, a ton of avionics.- =0A> S-Te
c 30=0A> TCAD . . . I mean REAL TCAD=0A> Aspen=0A> MX-20=0A> =0A> I'm waiti
ng for more pics.- I only have old pics.=0A> =0A> -----------------------
--------=0A> Go to my web site,- www.AuCountry.com=0A> click on restorati
on=0A> scan down to 2002 . . .- most perfect Tiger.=0A> -----------------
--------------=0A> =0A> He has over $175,000 in the plane since he bought i
t.- =0A> =0A> He's asking $85,000.- =0A> It's worth every penny.- =0A
> =0A> This is one of those planes that you can buy and fly without wonderi
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| Subject: | Re: 1978 Tiger for sale |
Rick,=0A=0AThis is a very nice plane. -It is pretty as well as being nice
ly equipped. -The TCAD is fun. -It'll tell you there is a plane 25,000
feet above and you can watch the airliner go by. -The best friend of the
guy selling the plane runs High Desert Avionics is Lancaster. -So, avioni
cs was a no brainer. -I built the plane over a year and maintained it unt
il last year. -Easy plane to work on. -=0A=0AI'll keep you up to date o
n the info I get=0AGary=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: R
ick Young <rbyoung99@gmail.com>=0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <tea
mgrumman-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Friday, March 16, 2012 2:36 PM=0ASubj
ect: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1978 Tiger for sale=0A =0A--> TeamGrumman-List m
essage posted by: Rick Young <rbyoung99@gmail.com>=0A=0AGary=0A=0APlease fo
rward me the information you have and will be receiving.- A couple of yea
rs ago I called and spoke to your about getting a Tiger.- Your advice was
to watch for a while and make sure I find the right one.- Although you w
ere a bit more blunt than that.- It seems that maybe the patience might h
ave paid off.=0A=0AI am very interested in this plane, it is funny, all the
ones I have considered I have factored in the cost of a glass cockpit as t
he other plane I have been considering is a Diamond DA 40.- - Seeing th
at this one has an Aspen makes it very desirable to me (along with the fact
that it was virtually rebuilt in 2002).=0A=0AThanks,=0ARick Young=0Arbyoun
g99@gmail.com=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0AOn Mar 16, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Gar
y Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A> One of my customers is selling
his Tiger.- =0A> This is the first posting.=0A> =0A> The airframe has ro
ughly 2400 hrs TTSN=0A> Engine has roughly 550 hrs since Lycon overhaul.-
Dynoed at 205 hp.=0A> $15,000 paint job in 2001.- It's still like new.
=0A> =0A> Plus, a ton of avionics.- =0A> S-Tec 30=0A> TCAD . . . I mean R
EAL TCAD=0A> Aspen=0A> MX-20=0A> =0A> I'm waiting for more pics.- I only
have old pics.=0A> =0A> -------------------------------=0A> Go to my web si
te,- www.AuCountry.com=0A> click on restoration=0A> scan down to 2002 . .
.- most perfect Tiger.=0A> -------------------------------=0A> =0A> He h
as over $175,000 in the plane since he bought it.- =0A> =0A> He's asking
$85,000.- =0A> It's worth every penny.- =0A> =0A> This is one of those
planes that you can buy and fly without wondering what you need to fix next
- - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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