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1. 04:45 AM - Re: Re: AA5 - Winglets (Bob Steward)
2. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: AA5 - Winglets (Andrew Kuzyk)
3. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: AA5 - Winglets (923te)
4. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: AA5 - Winglets (Gary Vogt)
5. 11:06 AM - Notes on installing the Direct Fire Ignition (Gary Vogt)
6. 12:51 PM - Grumman eyebrow lights (Matthew Crisp)
7. 03:40 PM - Re: Grumman eyebrow lights (Gary Vogt)
8. 05:28 PM - Garmin Pilot app (Scott Boyce)
9. 05:47 PM - Re: Garmin Pilot app (Gary Vogt)
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| Subject: | Re: AA5 - Winglets |
Winglets??? For a Grumman?
Did you mean wing TIPS, as in the fiberglass ends of the wing? There would be
no Whitcomb Winglets for a certified Grumman. We should be asking YOU about such
things on an experimental.
--Bob Steward
Sent from Samsung mobile
ferdi <ferdi_koekemoer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Hi Guys, I own a Traveler registered as experimental in South Africa. If there
are winglets that are just lying around I would like to give it a try. How can
I get hold of the owner?
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>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370766#370766
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| Subject: | Re: AA5 - Winglets |
A while back I was looking for winglets and there was an email thread
that suggested someone had developed some but would require an expensive
STC to make them viable. I'll look through my emails. I too am still
interested - ideally it would be great to know what kind of anticipated
numbers the enhancement would give.
Andrew Kuzyk
T: 416-368-6988 x 222
M: 416-706-4490
On Apr 14, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Bob Steward wrote:
<n76lima@mindspring.com>
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> Winglets??? For a Grumman?
> Did you mean wing TIPS, as in the fiberglass ends of the wing? There
would be no Whitcomb Winglets for a certified Grumman. We should be
asking YOU about such things on an experimental.
> --Bob Steward
>
> Sent from Samsung mobile
>
> ferdi <ferdi_koekemoer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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<ferdi_koekemoer@yahoo.com>
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>> Hi Guys, I own a Traveler registered as experimental in South Africa.
If there are winglets that are just lying around I would like to give it
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| Subject: | Re: AA5 - Winglets |
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| Subject: | Re: AA5 - Winglets |
Really not worth the aggravation. -You'd only see about 1-3% speed improv
ement above 10,000 feet. -=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr
om: ferdi <ferdi_koekemoer@yahoo.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:33 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: A
koekemoer@yahoo.com>=0A=0AHi Guys, I own a Traveler registered as experimen
tal in South Africa. If there are winglets that are just lying around I wou
ld like to give it a try. How can I get hold of the owner?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARe
ad this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
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| Subject: | Notes on installing the Direct Fire Ignition |
First, I've always been a fan of electronic ignitions. =C2-I looked into
DIS a LOOOOONG time ago. =C2-So, when the time came to install not one, b
ut two, DIS systems, I was kind of anxious to get started. =C2-Especially
since one was a Real Tiger and the other was an AG Tiger.=0A=0AHow long do
es it take: =C2-Realistically, 16-20 hours.=0A=0AWhy? =C2-you ask? =C2
-I=C2-probably=C2-spent at least 4 hours on each plane just looking f
or a place to put all the pieces and trial fitting everything before I dril
led any holes.=0A=0A1) Magneto Timing Housing: =C2-It replaces the right
mag. =C2-That part was pretty easy.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-However . . . T
he lead (wire connection) on the MTH is about a mile long (18 inches?) and
I needed to find a place=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-somewhere above the ac
cumulation of oil and dirt to mount it. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-Then,
of course, the wiring harness from the Controller is really long for a Grum
man and I wanted it=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-to be where someone could R
&R the MTH if necessary. =C2-So the connector had to be accessible.=0A=C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Note: =C2-Best Case. =C2-It would
be a whole lot better to have the connector right on the MTH housing. =C2
-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2-Worst Case. Limit length of the lead on the MTH to less than 6 inche
s.=0A=0A2) Coil: =C2-Where to put the coil? =C2-Here, there is a differ
ence between the two planes. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AA5B: =C2-On th
e AA5B, the coil can go to the left of center on the firewall near the top.
=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2-I put it so that the #1 and #3 coil towers straddled the Carb heat ca
ble.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AG5B: =C2-There are a lot of wires in the midd
le on the AG. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2-I put the coil under the wires toward the right side of th
e panel.=0A=0A=0A3) Controller: =C2-The installation of the controller an
d the MAP sensor are also different=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AA5B: =C2-On th
e AA5B, the controller can go above the copilots right peddle on the firewa
ll near the top and just under the "U" channel.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I used sheet metal screws into
the firewall. =C2-The unit is light and the screws worked great. =C2-
=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AG5B: =C2-There are a lot of wires all over the ba
ck of the firewall on the AG. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-There is literally no free space without
moving something.=C2-=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2-I moved the brake line on the left of center just a
bove the cabin heat box. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I had to trim off the bottom edge to keep the c
ontroller low enough to stay away from the controls.=0A=0A=0A3) MAP sensor:
=C2-The installation of the controller and the MAP sensor are also diffe
rent=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AA5B: =C2-On the AA5B, the MAP sensor can go a
djacent to the controller (to the inside) above the copilots right=C2-=0A
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-peddle
on the firewall near the top and just under the "U" channel.=0A=C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I used sheet met
al screws into the firewall. =C2-The unit is light and the screws worked
great. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AG5B: =C2-Same problem here. =C2-To
o many wires everywhere.=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I installed the MAP sensor=C2-about 6 inches
=C2-to the right of the controller above the cabin heat box. =C2-=0A=C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2-Note: =C2-The MAP sensor had a rubber hose coming out of it. =C2-
=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Weird if you ask me. =C2-
A metal hose fitting would eliminate one potential leak.=0A=0A4) Harness:
=C2-The harness is just a bunch of loose wires. =C2-There is nothing pr
ofessional looking about it.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- On the AG, I was able to use 1/2 inch expando s
leeve and get it over the VERY LARGE connectors.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Having the wires in a flexibl
e sleeve help during the installation.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (1): =C2
-The B+ lead from the coil goes from the coil to the 10 amp breaker. =C2
-SO, it needs to be tied so it stays with the=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- main harness on the in
side of the plane. =C2-This B+ lead is about a foot too short so make pla
ns ahead of time.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (2): =C2-The P-Lead conn
ection to the Magneto switch is also about a foot too short. =C2-Make pla
ns for it.=0A=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (3): =C2-The tach lead, as f
ar as I can tell, is useless. =C2-They provide a signal out but there is
no signal processor to=C2-=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- make it work with digital tachs.=0A=0A
=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (4): =C2-There is a secondary lead on the harne
ss section to the MAP sensor. =C2-SOOOO. =C2-You need to make sure the
=C2-=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- MAP sensor is on airframe ground.=0A=0A5) Installation instru
ctions: =C2-Pretty much substitute the word "than" for the word "then."
=C2-Don't know about you but I find that . . . .=C2-=0A=C2- =C2-
=C2- Note (1): =C2-There is a note that says "=A2 Built-in timing
monitor" but I can't find where it is.=0A=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (
2): =C2-They recommend NOT using a Breaker Switch for the 2-amp circuit.
=C2-They want you to install a separate switch. =C2-That makes no sense
to me.=0A=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (3): =C2-The instructions descr
ibe where to install another switch to turn the MAP on and off but the wiri
ng diagram shows nothing about it.=0A=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (4):
=C2-Wiring diagram shows an LED line but it was marked "optional." =C2-
I had to determine if it was really wired for it or not. =C2-NOT.=0A=0A
=0A6) Plug wires: =C2-They are cut to fit. =C2-You'll need to install t
he nuts on the cut ends. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- HOWEVER, the nut is so tigh
t that it is almost impossible to get it on.=0A=C2- =C2- PLUS, the rubb
er seal looks like it was cut out by hand and the hole in the middle is NOT
IN THE MIDDLE. =C2-Very bad.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2-This makes the nut which you use to tighten onto the plug VER
Y DIFFICULT TO TURN.=0A=0A=0A7) =C2-Wants: =C2-a) Shorter wire from the
MTH or plug directly into the MTH=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- b) If there is no way to shorten the cables, at le
ast put them in expando sleeve=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- c) Longer B+ lead=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- d) Longer P-Lead=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- e) Combine the controller and MAP senso
r into one unit.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- f) Better rubber washers for the plugs.=0A=0AThat's it for now.=0AGa
ry
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| Subject: | Grumman eyebrow lights |
I am looking to replace the eyebrow lights on my AA5. The current lights lea
ve a lot to be desired. I am interested in the "easybrow" lights made by fre
shaero. http://freshaero.com/easybrowgrumdetail.html
Anyone have any suggestions on the color to chose. They offer red, blue, and
green. I can't decide which color to go with. Everyone thinks red is the be
st for night vision but in reality, there is no one good answer. Does anyone
currently have these, and of so, could you send pictures? I would like to s
ee how the various colors look.
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| Subject: | Re: Grumman eyebrow lights |
It isn't clear whether or not you can have all the colors on the same strip
. -If so, all together they make white. -Should be interesting. -=0A
=0AI recently installed the Blue and White LEDs from Spruce -http://www.a
ircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/flexibleLED_blue12.php=0A=0Awith the comp
atible controller. -The owner really likes them.=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0A From: Matthew Crisp <mbcrisp87@gmail.com>=0ATo: "teamgr
umman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Saturda
y, April 14, 2012 12:50 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Grumman eyebrow lig
hts=0A =0A=0AI am looking to replace the eyebrow lights on my AA5. The curr
ent lights leave a lot to be desired. I am interested in the "easybrow" lig
hts made by freshaero. --http://freshaero.com/easybrowgrumdetail.html
=0A=0AAnyone have any suggestions on the color to chose. They offer red, bl
ue, and green. I can't decide which color to go with. Everyone thinks red i
s the best for night vision but in reality, there is no one good answer. Do
es anyone currently have these, and of so, could you send pictures? I would
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| Subject: | Garmin Pilot app |
Anybody have any experience with the new Garmin app?
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Pilot app |
Nope. -What is it? -I haven't looked at apps in a long time.=0A=0A=0A__
______________________________=0A From: Scott Boyce <tscott165@centurylink.
net>=0ATo: Grumman List <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Saturday,
April 14, 2012 5:28 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin Pilot app=0A
nk.net>=0A=0A=0AAnybody have any experience with the new Garmin app?=0A=0AS
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