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1. 04:51 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (FLYaDIVE)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: AA5 - Winglets (flyv35b)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: AA5 - Winglets (ferdi)
4. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: AA5 - Winglets (Andy Thomas)
5. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (Dean White)
6. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (FLYaDIVE)
7. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (Gary Vogt)
8. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (Gary Vogt)
9. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (FLYaDIVE)
10. 11:11 AM - Notes on installing the Electroair Ignition system (Gary Vogt)
11. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (Gary Vogt)
12. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (Hosler, John)
13. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (FLYaDIVE)
14. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Electro-Air backfire (FLYaDIVE)
15. 04:39 PM - Control wheel refurb (mbcrisp)
16. 04:46 PM - Re: Control wheel refurb (n26390@AOL.COM)
17. 06:51 PM - Re: Garmin Pilot app (Scott Boyce)
18. 11:44 PM - Re: Control wheel refurb (Gary L Vogt)
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| Subject: | Re: Electro-Air backfire |
Gary:
This may help. I had the same problem on an RV6. When switching from
Impulse Mag to Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. I traced the
problem to the Electro-Air vacuum box. The silver box where the MP/vacuum
line connects to. The connection was broke inside the box and there was no
vacuum advance. Fixed that and the problem has not reoccurred in the past
two to three years.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I was hoping your plane was an anomaly. I finished "166" Friday. The
> owner picked 'er up today. This morning, we took it down to the runup area
> and, you guessed it, it backfired going to right mag.
>
> I tried it several times going from both to Right as quickly as possible.
> I'd say it backfired about half the time. Going from Left to Right nearly
> always backfired.
>
> It may be that there is enough voltage to light any residual fuel in the
> exhaust that the Left mag doesn't fire. I don't know.
>
> My first thought was to swap left right Mag connections on the switch.
> Tattoo would help going from both to Right but not from Left back to both
> since it still needs to go through Right to get there.
>
> I'd like to try separate toggles for each mag like on a Citabria.
>
> I'd also like to try dual electronic systems to see if it still backfires.
> The hotter spark may light up all of the residual fuel. By-the-way, I had
> it leaned all the way.
>
> If it were mine, I'd skip the Right mag check.
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> >
> > The more I think about it, I cant for the life of me understand how an
> electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". There has to be a problem
> with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the ignition switch is faulty
> somehow. If the backfire is as big as your say, it has to be multiple
> cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust system
> >
> > These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have been on
> experimentals for a long time. This type of problem has to be some type of
> isolated case.
> >
> > Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ignition system that has this type
> of problem (a step back from what I had) and plan on calling Electro_Air
> tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to call if you have one). If I
> don't hear what I want to hear from them or some ideas on what they think
> it is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make plans to ship the fucking
> thing back. Stand by.
> >
> > Talk to you tomorrow.
> >
> > LJM
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AA5 - Winglets |
On 4/15/2012 10:45 PM, ferdi wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "ferdi"<ferdi_koekemoer@yahoo.com>
>
> The previous owner converted it to experimental almost 25 years ago when it was
a lot easier done in SA. Nowadays it is not really being done any more.
> There are a few experimental trainers around too.
> The engine can accept a CSU, and I definetly prefer the RV pants over the originals,
even if it is only for the looks. Now how about getting hold of those
wingtips?
>
But it looks like you have the dreaded double magneto? Are you going to
install and electronic ignition?
Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: AA5 - Winglets |
flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com wrote:
> On 4/15/2012 10:45 PM, ferdi wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The previous owner converted it to experimental almost 25 years ago when it
was a lot easier done in SA. Nowadays it is not really being done any more.
> > There are a few experimental trainers around too.
> > The engine can accept a CSU, and I definetly prefer the RV pants over the
originals, even if it is only for the looks. Now how about getting hold of those
wingtips?
> >
> >
> >
>
> But it looks like you have the dreaded double magneto? Are you going to
> install and electronic ignition?
>
> Cliff
I am going to stick with the duel magneto. Have flown many hours behind one in
the past
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370939#370939
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| Subject: | Re: AA5 - Winglets |
Cliff,
Seeing your post reminds me to tell you I have an empty space in my hanger.
I sold my Jabiru 250 last week.....
Talked to Ruth and Brian a while back and they said you were not flying the
Super Trainer much and it might need a new home.... Hurry before I buy a new
car !
Andy
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| Subject: | Re: Electro-Air backfire |
Barry,
I am the owner of 166. Right now, I am just skipping the right mag check
which I consider to be no big deal, but I would like to make the situation
better. Was the broken connection the vacuum connection inside the box or
something electrical?
Thanks,
Dean
Dean White
dmwhite@e3ra.com
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire
Gary:
This may help. I had the same problem on an RV6. When switching from
Impulse Mag to Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. I traced the
problem to the Electro-Air vacuum box. The silver box where the MP/vacuum
line connects to. The connection was broke inside the box and there was no
vacuum advance. Fixed that and the problem has not reoccurred in the past
two to three years.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Larry,
I was hoping your plane was an anomaly. I finished "166" Friday. The owner
picked 'er up today. This morning, we took it down to the runup area and,
you guessed it, it backfired going to right mag.
I tried it several times going from both to Right as quickly as possible.
I'd say it backfired about half the time. Going from Left to Right nearly
always backfired.
It may be that there is enough voltage to light any residual fuel in the
exhaust that the Left mag doesn't fire. I don't know.
My first thought was to swap left right Mag connections on the switch.
Tattoo would help going from both to Right but not from Left back to both
since it still needs to go through Right to get there.
I'd like to try separate toggles for each mag like on a Citabria.
I'd also like to try dual electronic systems to see if it still backfires.
The hotter spark may light up all of the residual fuel. By-the-way, I had it
leaned all the way.
If it were mine, I'd skip the Right mag check.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com> wrote:
> Gary,
>
> The more I think about it, I cant for the life of me understand how an
electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". There has to be a problem
with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the ignition switch is faulty
somehow. If the backfire is as big as your say, it has to be multiple
cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust system
>
> These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have been on
experimentals for a long time. This type of problem has to be some type of
isolated case.
>
> Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ignition system that has this type of
problem (a step back from what I had) and plan on calling Electro_Air
tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to call if you have one). If I
don't hear what I want to hear from them or some ideas on what they think it
is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make plans to ship the fucking thing
back. Stand by.
>
> Talk to you tomorrow.
>
> LJM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electro-Air backfire |
Dean:
It was the MP/Vacuum line in the sliver box.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Dean White <dmwhite@e3ra.com> wrote:
> Barry,****
>
> I am the owner of 166. Right now, I am just skipping the right mag check
> which I consider to be no big deal, but I would like to make the situation
> better. Was the broken connection the vacuum connection inside the box or
> something electrical?****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Dean****
>
> ** **
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> Dean White ****
>
> dmwhite@e3ra.com****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
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> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 4:51 AM
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire****
>
> ** **
>
> Gary:****
>
> ** **
>
> This may help. I had the same problem on an RV6. When switching from
> Impulse Mag to Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. I traced the
> problem to the Electro-Air vacuum box. The silver box where the MP/vacuum
> line connects to. The connection was broke inside the box and there was no
> vacuum advance. Fixed that and the problem has not reoccurred in the past
> two to three years.****
>
> ** **
>
> Barry****
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
> wrote:****
>
> >
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I was hoping your plane was an anomaly. I finished "166" Friday. The
> owner picked 'er up today. This morning, we took it down to the runup area
> and, you guessed it, it backfired going to right mag.
>
> I tried it several times going from both to Right as quickly as possible.
> I'd say it backfired about half the time. Going from Left to Right nearly
> always backfired.
>
> It may be that there is enough voltage to light any residual fuel in the
> exhaust that the Left mag doesn't fire. I don't know.
>
> My first thought was to swap left right Mag connections on the switch.
> Tattoo would help going from both to Right but not from Left back to both
> since it still needs to go through Right to get there.
>
> I'd like to try separate toggles for each mag like on a Citabria.
>
> I'd also like to try dual electronic systems to see if it still backfires.
> The hotter spark may light up all of the residual fuel. By-the-way, I had
> it leaned all the way.
>
> If it were mine, I'd skip the Right mag check.
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> >
> > The more I think about it, I cant for the life of me understand how an
> electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". There has to be a problem
> with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the ignition switch is faulty
> somehow. If the backfire is as big as your say, it has to be multiple
> cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust system
> >
> > These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have been on
> experimentals for a long time. This type of problem has to be some type of
> isolated case.
> >
> > Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ignition system that has this type
> of problem (a step back from what I had) and plan on calling Electro_Air
> tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to call if you have one). If I
> don't hear what I want to hear from them or some ideas on what they think
> it is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make plans to ship the fucking
> thing back. Stand by.
> >
> > Talk to you tomorrow.
> >
> > LJM
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electro-Air backfire |
I could believe it happening on one, not two. -=0A=0A=0A_________________
_______________=0A From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-li
st@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:50 AM=0ASubject: Re: Tea
mGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire=0A =0A=0AGary:=0A=0AThis may help.
-I had the same problem on an RV6. -When switching from Impulse Mag to
Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. -I traced the problem to the El
ectro-Air vacuum box. -The silver box where the MP/vacuum line connects t
o. -The connection was broke inside the box and there was no vacuum advan
ce. -Fixed that and the problem has not-reoccurred-in the past two to
three years.=0A=0ABarry=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vo
gt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A--> TeamGrumman-List message posted
by: Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>=0A>=0A>Hi Larry,=0A>=0A>I was hopin
g your plane was an anomaly. I finished "166" Friday. -The owner picked '
er up today. This morning, we took it down to the runup area and, you guess
ed it, it backfired going to right mag.=0A>=0A>I tried it several times goi
ng from both to Right as quickly as possible. I'd say it backfired about ha
lf the time. Going from Left to Right nearly always backfired.=0A>=0A>It ma
y be that there is enough voltage to light any residual fuel in the exhaust
that the Left mag doesn't fire. I don't know.=0A>=0A>My first thought was
to swap left right Mag connections on the switch. Tattoo would help going f
rom both to Right but not from Left back to both since it still needs to go
through Right to get there.=0A>=0A>I'd like to try separate toggles for ea
ch mag like on a Citabria.=0A>=0A>I'd also like to try dual electronic syst
ems to see if it still backfires. The hotter spark may light up all of the
residual fuel. By-the-way, I had it leaned all the way.=0A>=0A>If it were m
ine, I'd skip the Right mag check.=0A>=0A>Gary=0A>Sent from my iPad=0A>=0A>
On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com> wrote
:=0A>=0A>> Gary,=0A>>=0A>> The more I think about it, I cant for the life o
f me understand how an electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". -
There has to be a problem with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the
ignition switch is faulty somehow. -If the backfire is as big as your sa
y, it has to be multiple cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust sys
tem=0A>>=0A>> These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have
been on experimentals for a long time. -This type of problem has to be so
me type of isolated case.=0A>>=0A>> Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ign
ition system that has this type of problem (a step back from what I had) an
d plan on calling Electro_Air tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to
call if you have one). -If I don't hear what I want to hear from them or
some ideas on what they think it is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make
plans to ship the fucking thing back. -Stand by.=0A>>=0A>> Talk to you t
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| Subject: | Re: Electro-Air backfire |
Dean, this morning while taking a shower I got to thinking about the backfi
re. -Get under the panel and disconnect the Electroair P-lead and connect
it to a separate switch. -It's a pain-in-the-ass, but that would fix it.
=0AGary=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dean White <dmwhi
te@e3ra.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, April 16
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=0A=0ABarry,=0AI am the owner of 166. -Right now, I am just skipping the
right mag check which I consider to be no big deal, but I would like to ma
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inside the box or something electrical?=0AThanks,=0ADean=0A-=0ADean Whit
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:=0A-=0AThis may help. -I had the same problem on an RV6. -When switc
hing from Impulse Mag to Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. -I tra
ced the problem to the Electro-Air vacuum box. -The silver box where the
MP/vacuum line connects to. -The connection was broke inside the box and
there was no vacuum advance. -Fixed that and the problem has not-reoccu
rred-in the past two to three years.=0A-=0ABarry=0AOn Mon, Apr 16, 2012
at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A--> TeamGrumman-L
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=0A=0AI was hoping your plane was an anomaly. I finished "166" Friday. -T
he owner picked 'er up today. This morning, we took it down to the runup ar
ea and, you guessed it, it backfired going to right mag.=0A=0AI tried it se
veral times going from both to Right as quickly as possible. I'd say it bac
kfired about half the time. Going from Left to Right nearly always backfire
d.=0A=0AIt may be that there is enough voltage to light any residual fuel i
n the exhaust that the Left mag doesn't fire. I don't know.=0A=0AMy first t
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elp going from both to Right but not from Left back to both since it still
needs to go through Right to get there.=0A=0AI'd like to try separate toggl
es for each mag like on a Citabria.=0A=0AI'd also like to try dual electron
ic systems to see if it still backfires. The hotter spark may light up all
of the residual fuel. By-the-way, I had it leaned all the way.=0A=0AIf it w
ere mine, I'd skip the Right mag check.=0A=0AGary=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0A
On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com> wrote
:=0A=0A> Gary,=0A>=0A> The more I think about it, I cant for the life of me
understand how an electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". -Ther
e has to be a problem with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the ign
ition switch is faulty somehow. -If the backfire is as big as your say, i
t has to be multiple cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust system
=0A>=0A> These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have been
on experimentals for a long time. -This type of problem has to be some ty
pe of isolated case.=0A>=0A> Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ignition s
ystem that has this type of problem (a step back from what I had) and plan
on calling Electro_Air tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to call i
f you have one). -If I don't hear what I want to hear from them or some i
deas on what they think it is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make plans
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| Subject: | Re: Electro-Air backfire |
Gary:
I don't know about what would happen with two units... Are they both tied
to a common MP line? If so a leak anywhere in the line would affect both.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I could believe it happening on one, not two.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 4:50 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire
>
> Gary:
>
> This may help. I had the same problem on an RV6. When switching from
> Impulse Mag to Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. I traced the
> problem to the Electro-Air vacuum box. The silver box where the MP/vacuum
> line connects to. The connection was broke inside the box and there was no
> vacuum advance. Fixed that and the problem has not reoccurred in the past
> two to three years.
>
> Barry
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> >
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I was hoping your plane was an anomaly. I finished "166" Friday. The
> owner picked 'er up today. This morning, we took it down to the runup area
> and, you guessed it, it backfired going to right mag.
>
> I tried it several times going from both to Right as quickly as possible.
> I'd say it backfired about half the time. Going from Left to Right nearly
> always backfired.
>
> It may be that there is enough voltage to light any residual fuel in the
> exhaust that the Left mag doesn't fire. I don't know.
>
> My first thought was to swap left right Mag connections on the switch.
> Tattoo would help going from both to Right but not from Left back to both
> since it still needs to go through Right to get there.
>
> I'd like to try separate toggles for each mag like on a Citabria.
>
> I'd also like to try dual electronic systems to see if it still backfires.
> The hotter spark may light up all of the residual fuel. By-the-way, I had
> it leaned all the way.
>
> If it were mine, I'd skip the Right mag check.
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> >
> > The more I think about it, I cant for the life of me understand how an
> electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". There has to be a problem
> with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the ignition switch is faulty
> somehow. If the backfire is as big as your say, it has to be multiple
> cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust system
> >
> > These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have been on
> experimentals for a long time. This type of problem has to be some type of
> isolated case.
> >
> > Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ignition system that has this type
> of problem (a step back from what I had) and plan on calling Electro_Air
> tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to call if you have one). If I
> don't hear what I want to hear from them or some ideas on what they think
> it is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make plans to ship the fucking
> thing back. Stand by.
> >
> > Talk to you tomorrow.
> >
> > LJM
> >
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| Subject: | Notes on installing the Electroair Ignition system |
First, I've always been a fan of electronic ignitions. =C2-I looked into
DIS a LOOOOONG time ago(Remember the '87 Buick Grand National?). =C2-=0AS
o, when the time came to install, not one, but two, DIS systems, I was anxi
ous to get started. =C2-=0AEspecially since one was a Real Tiger and the
other was an AG Tiger.=0A=0AHow long does it take: =C2-Realistically, 16-
20 hours.=0A=0AWhy? =C2-you ask? =C2-I spent at least 4 to 6 hours on e
ach plane just looking for a place to put all the pieces and trial fitting
everything before I drilled any holes.=0A=0A1) Magneto Timing Housing: =C2
-It replaces the right mag. =C2-That part was pretty easy.=0A=C2- =C2
- =C2-However . . . The lead (wire connection) on the MTH is about a mi
le long (18 inches?) and I needed to find a place=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2
-somewhere above the accumulation of oil and dirt to mount it. =C2-=0A
=C2- =C2- =C2-Then, of course, the wiring harness from the Controller
is really long for a Grumman and I wanted it=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-t
o be where someone could R&R the MTH if necessary. =C2-So the connector h
ad to be accessible.=0A=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Note: =C2-
Best Case. =C2-It would be a whole lot better to have the connector right
on the MTH housing. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Worst Case. Limit length of the lead on the
MTH to less than 6 inches.=0A=0A2) Coil: =C2-Where to put the coil? =C2
-Here, there is a difference between the two planes. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2
- =C2-AA5B: =C2-On the AA5B, the coil can go to the left of center on
the firewall near the top. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I put it so that the #1 and #3 coil towers s
traddled the Carb heat cable.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AG5B: =C2-There are a
lot of wires in the middle on the AG. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I put the coil under the wires to
ward the right side of the panel.=0A=0A=0A3) Controller: =C2-The installa
tion of the controller and the MAP sensor are also different=0A=C2- =C2
- =C2-AA5B: =C2-On the AA5B, the controller can go above the copilots
right peddle on the firewall near the top and just under the "U" channel.
=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I u
sed sheet metal screws into the firewall. =C2-The unit is light and the s
crews worked great. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AG5B: =C2-There are a lo
t of wires all over the back of the firewall on the AG. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-There is literal
ly no free space without moving something.=C2-=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I moved the brake line on t
he left of center just above the cabin heat box. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I had to trim off the b
ottom edge to keep the controller low enough to stay away from the controls
.=0A=0A=0A3) MAP sensor: =C2-The installation of the controller and the M
AP sensor are also different=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AA5B: =C2-On the AA5B,
the MAP sensor can go adjacent to the controller (to the inside) above the
copilots right=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2-peddle on the firewall near the top and just under the
"U" channel.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2-I used sheet metal screws into the firewall. =C2-The unit is li
ght and the screws worked great. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-AG5B: =C2-S
ame problem here. =C2-Too many wires everywhere.=C2-=0A=C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I installed the MAP
sensor=C2-about 6 inches=C2-to the right of the controller above the ca
bin heat box. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Note: =C2-The MAP sensor had a rubber hose
coming out of it. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-We
ird if you ask me. =C2-A metal hose fitting would eliminate one potential
leak.=0A=0A4) Harness: =C2-The harness is just a bunch of loose wires.
=C2-There is nothing professional looking about it.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- On the AG, I was able
to use 1/2 inch expando sleeve and get it over the VERY LARGE connectors.
=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Ha
ving the wires in a flexible sleeve help during the installation.=0A=C2-
=C2- =C2- Note (1): =C2-The B+ lead from the coil goes from the coil
to the 10 amp breaker. =C2-SO, it needs to be tied so it stays with the
=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- main harness on the inside of the plane. =C2-This B+ lead is about
a foot too short so make plans ahead of time.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- No
te (2): =C2-The P-Lead connection to the Magneto switch is also about a f
oot too short. =C2-Make plans for it.=0A=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (
3): =C2-The tach lead, as far as I can tell, is useless. =C2-They provi
de a signal out but there is no signal processor to=C2-=0A=0A=C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- make it
work with digital tachs.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (4): =C2-There is
a secondary lead on the harness section to the MAP sensor. =C2-SOOOO.
=C2-You need to make sure the=C2-=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- MAP sensor is on airframe gro
und.=0A=0A5) Installation instructions: =C2-First off: =C2-Substitute t
he word "than" for the word "then." =C2-Don't know about you but . . . .
=C2-Learn how to use the English language.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- Note (1
): =C2-There is a note that says "=A2 Built-in timing monitor" but
I can't find where it is. =C2-Be more specific.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-There really needs
to be a way to monitor the timing for diagnostic purposes.=0A=0A=C2- =C2
- =C2- Note (2): =C2-They recommend NOT using a Breaker Switch for th
e 2-amp circuit. =C2-They want you to install a separate switch. =C2-Th
at makes no sense to me.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-What makes sense: Install the switch on THEI
R (not there) P-lead. =C2-More on this later.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- N
ote (3): =C2-The instructions describe where to install another switch to
turn the MAP on and off but the wiring diagram shows nothing about it.=0A
=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2-Had this option been shown in the wiring diagram, maybe I would have
noticed it. =C2-Reading through the text is boring.=0A=0A=C2- =C2-
=C2- Note (4): =C2-Wiring diagram shows an LED line but it was marked "
optional." =C2-I had to determine if the harness was really wired for it
or not. =C2-It wasn't. =C2-=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Good thing the wiring diagram shows t
his to be an option. =C2-I'm being sarcastic. =C2-It doesn't.=0A=0A6) P
lug wires: =C2-They are cut to fit. =C2-You'll need to install the nuts
on the cut ends. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- HOWEVER, the nut is so tight that
it is almost impossible to get it on.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Note:
=C2-=A2 Mark your desired final resting place for the nut about 2 i
nches further up the plug wire than where you'll need it. =C2-=0A=C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2 Cram the s
park plug lead in until you have about 1/4 inch sticking through=0A=C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2-Grab
hold of the part sticking through with a pair of Vice-Grips. =C2-=0A=0A
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2
-Pull like crazy. =C2-When you get to your mark, stop. =C2-Cut off th
e damaged end. =C2-Assemble all the other parts.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2-This step takes abo
ut 20 minutes per plug wire.=0A=0A=0A=C2- =C2- PLUS, the rubber seal lo
oks like it was cut out by hand and the hole in the middle is NOT IN THE MI
DDLE. =C2-Very badworkmanship.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2-This makes the nut which you use to tightenthe wire onto t
he plug VERY DIFFICULT TO TURN.=0A=0A=0A7) =C2-Initial run-up and testing
on AG5B: =C2-I was anxious to see if it would even run. =C2-Electrical
things can be so finicky. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2 Engine starts and runs smooth. =C2-Chec
k.=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- Note: No way to take advantage of starting on both mags on an
AG5B. =C2-Still dependent on the impulse coupler.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2 Engine leaned for ta
xi. =C2-Check=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2-=A2 Engine oil above 100 degrees. =C2-Check.=0A=0A=C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2 Engine to
1800 RPM. =C2-Check.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2-=A2 Engine leaned to peak RPM. =C2-Reset to 1800 R
PM. =C2-Check.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2-=A2 Switch to "Left" mag. =C2-RPM drop about 75 RPM. =C2
-Check. =C2-=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- i.e., the engine runs on the Left mag with the Rig
ht mag off.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
-=A2=C2-Switch to back to Both mags. =C2-RPM good. =C2-Check.
=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=A2=C2-Switch to "Right" mag=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-ENGINE BACKFIRES. WTF? =C2-Th
en (not THAN) the engine wakes up and runs fine.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2-Switch to both.=0A=0A
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2 Rep
eated several times with the same results.=0A=0A=0A=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- Note: =C2-I thought this was an anomaly. =C2-Maybe I messed
something up. =C2-I was also installing the Electroair DIS on an AA5B, so
we'll see.=0A=0A=0A7a) Initial run-up and testing on AA5B: =C2-The big q
uestion . . . will this one backfire also. =C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2 Engine starts and runs s
mooth. =C2-Check.=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Note: Starts on both mags so the Electroair
is in the start sequence. =C2-Started nice.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2 Engine leaned for taxi.
=C2-=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=A2=C2-=C2-. . . . =C2-same several steps as above.=0A=0A=C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2-Switc
h back to Both mags. =C2-RPM good. =C2-Check.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2-Switch to "Right"
mag=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2-=C2-ENGINE STILL BACKFIRES.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2-Switched to both.=0A=0A=C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2 This time
, I tried switching very quickly to the right mag. I'd say 2 out of 3 times
I could catch it before it backfired.=0A=0A7b) Possible fix: =C2-Remove
their P-lead from the MAGNETO switch. =C2-Connect it through a toggle swi
tch to ground. =C2-Then . . .=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2-=A2 Start engine on Both mags for each plane.=0A
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2
-Engine run-up on Both.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2-Switch off the Right mag with the toggle
switch. =C2-Switch back on.=0A=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2-=A2=C2-Switch off the Left mag by going to
Right on the Mag switch.=0A=0A=C2-=C2-=0A=0A8) =C2-Wants: =C2-a) Sh
orter wire from the MTH or plug directly into the MTH=0A=0A=C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-b) If there is no way to sh
orten the cables, at least put them in expando sleeve.=C2-Loose wires are
tacky.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-c)
Longer B+ lead=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2-d) Longer P-Lead=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2-e) Combine the controller and MAP sensor into one unit.=0A=C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-f) Better rubber
washers for the plugs.=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-
=C2- =C2- g) Use a fitting on the MAP sensor instead of the rubber hose
.=0A=0AThat's it for now.=0AGary
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| Subject: | Re: Electro-Air backfire |
Hello, McFly . . . -=0A=0AI installed the Electroair on two different pla
nes. -Same result. -Both backfire.=0A=0A=0A____________________________
____=0A From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronic
s.com =0ASent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:53 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-L
ist: Re: Electro-Air backfire=0A =0A=0AGary:=0A=0AI don't know about what w
ould happen with two units... Are they both tied to a common MP line? -If
so a leak anywhere in the line would affect both.=0A=0ABarry=0A=0A=0AOn Mo
n, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A
I could believe it happening on one, not two. -=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>__________
______________________=0A> From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>=0A>To: teamg
rumman-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:50 AM=0A>=0A>S
ubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire=0A> =0A>=0A>Gary:=0A
>=0A>=0A>This may help. -I had the same problem on an RV6. -When switch
ing from Impulse Mag to Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. -I trac
ed the problem to the Electro-Air vacuum box. -The silver box where the M
P/vacuum line connects to. -The connection was broke inside the box and t
here was no vacuum advance. -Fixed that and the problem has not-reoccur
red-in the past two to three years.=0A>=0A>=0A>Barry=0A>=0A>=0A>On Mon, A
pr 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>-
=0A>>=0A>>Hi Larry,=0A>>=0A>>I was hoping your plane was an anomaly. I fini
shed "166" Friday. -The owner picked 'er up today. This morning, we took
it down to the runup area and, you guessed it, it backfired going to right
mag.=0A>>=0A>>I tried it several times going from both to Right as quickly
as possible. I'd say it backfired about half the time. Going from Left to R
ight nearly always backfired.=0A>>=0A>>It may be that there is enough volta
ge to light any residual fuel in the exhaust that the Left mag doesn't fire
. I don't know.=0A>>=0A>>My first thought was to swap left right Mag connec
tions on the switch. Tattoo would help going from both to Right but not fro
m Left back to both since it still needs to go through Right to get there.
=0A>>=0A>>I'd like to try separate toggles for each mag like on a Citabria.
=0A>>=0A>>I'd also like to try dual electronic systems to see if it still b
ackfires. The hotter spark may light up all of the residual fuel. By-the-wa
y, I had it leaned all the way.=0A>>=0A>>If it were mine, I'd skip the Righ
t mag check.=0A>>=0A>>Gary=0A>>Sent from my iPad=0A>>=0A>>On Apr 15, 2012,
at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> Gary
,=0A>>>=0A>>> The more I think about it, I cant for the life of me understa
nd how an electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". -There has to
be a problem with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the ignition swi
tch is faulty somehow. -If the backfire is as big as your say, it has to
be multiple cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust system=0A>>>=0A>
>> These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have been on exp
erimentals for a long time. -This type of problem has to be some type of
isolated case.=0A>>>=0A>>> Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ignition sys
tem that has this type of problem (a step back from what I had) and plan on
calling Electro_Air tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to call if
you have one). -If I don't hear what I want to hear from them or some ide
as on what they think it is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make plans to
ship the fucking thing back. -Stand by.=0A>>>=0A>>> Talk to you tomorrow
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Then, why do you guys have these in your airplanes?
Stock stuff is pretty reliable.
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Vogt
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire
Hello, McFly . . .
I installed the Electroair on two different planes. Same result. Both
backfire.
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From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire
Gary:
I don't know about what would happen with two units... Are they both
tied to a common MP line? If so a leak anywhere in the line would
affect both.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I could believe it happening on one, not two.
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From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire
Gary:
This may help. I had the same problem on an RV6. When switching from
Impulse Mag to Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. I traced the
problem to the Electro-Air vacuum box. The silver box where the
MP/vacuum line connects to. The connection was broke inside the box and
there was no vacuum advance. Fixed that and the problem has not
reoccurred in the past two to three years.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
wrote:
<teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
Hi Larry,
I was hoping your plane was an anomaly. I finished "166" Friday. The
owner picked 'er up today. This morning, we took it down to the runup
area and, you guessed it, it backfired going to right mag.
I tried it several times going from both to Right as quickly as
possible. I'd say it backfired about half the time. Going from Left to
Right nearly always backfired.
It may be that there is enough voltage to light any residual fuel in the
exhaust that the Left mag doesn't fire. I don't know.
My first thought was to swap left right Mag connections on the switch.
Tattoo would help going from both to Right but not from Left back to
both since it still needs to go through Right to get there.
I'd like to try separate toggles for each mag like on a Citabria.
I'd also like to try dual electronic systems to see if it still
backfires. The hotter spark may light up all of the residual fuel.
By-the-way, I had it leaned all the way.
If it were mine, I'd skip the Right mag check.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
wrote:
> Gary,
>
> The more I think about it, I cant for the life of me understand how an
electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". There has to be a
problem with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the ignition
switch is faulty somehow. If the backfire is as big as your say, it has
to be multiple cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust system
>
> These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have been on
experimentals for a long time. This type of problem has to be some type
of isolated case.
>
> Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ignition system that has this type
of problem (a step back from what I had) and plan on calling Electro_Air
tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to call if you have one). If
I don't hear what I want to hear from them or some ideas on what they
think it is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make plans to ship the
fucking thing back. Stand by.
>
> Talk to you tomorrow.
>
> LJM
>
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Ok Gary:
The next thing I would check, if you haven't already is the timing for the
pick-up that mounts on the accessory case/Mag hole.
There were two service bulletins on them a while back:
1 - For breaking wires where they exit the timing gear (yellow wire) and
2 - The Hall Effect Transistor
Now, I do realize these were OLD SB's and your unit is STC'd and going on
GA aircraft. But,
who knows!
And another area of concern is the POOR quick-connect connection.
I squeezed them so they would not move around.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello, McFly . . .
>
> I installed the Electroair on two different planes. Same result. Both
> backfire.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 10:53 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire
>
> Gary:
>
> I don't know about what would happen with two units... Are they both tied
> to a common MP line? If so a leak anywhere in the line would affect both.
>
> Barry
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I could believe it happening on one, not two.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 4:50 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire
>
> Gary:
>
> This may help. I had the same problem on an RV6. When switching from
> Impulse Mag to Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. I traced the
> problem to the Electro-Air vacuum box. The silver box where the MP/vacuum
> line connects to. The connection was broke inside the box and there was no
> vacuum advance. Fixed that and the problem has not reoccurred in the past
> two to three years.
>
> Barry
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> >
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I was hoping your plane was an anomaly. I finished "166" Friday. The
> owner picked 'er up today. This morning, we took it down to the runup area
> and, you guessed it, it backfired going to right mag.
>
> I tried it several times going from both to Right as quickly as possible.
> I'd say it backfired about half the time. Going from Left to Right nearly
> always backfired.
>
> It may be that there is enough voltage to light any residual fuel in the
> exhaust that the Left mag doesn't fire. I don't know.
>
> My first thought was to swap left right Mag connections on the switch.
> Tattoo would help going from both to Right but not from Left back to both
> since it still needs to go through Right to get there.
>
> I'd like to try separate toggles for each mag like on a Citabria.
>
> I'd also like to try dual electronic systems to see if it still backfires.
> The hotter spark may light up all of the residual fuel. By-the-way, I had
> it leaned all the way.
>
> If it were mine, I'd skip the Right mag check.
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> >
> > The more I think about it, I cant for the life of me understand how an
> electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". There has to be a problem
> with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the ignition switch is faulty
> somehow. If the backfire is as big as your say, it has to be multiple
> cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust system
> >
> > These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have been on
> experimentals for a long time. This type of problem has to be some type of
> isolated case.
> >
> > Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ignition system that has this type
> of problem (a step back from what I had) and plan on calling Electro_Air
> tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to call if you have one). If I
> don't hear what I want to hear from them or some ideas on what they think
> it is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make plans to ship the fucking
> thing back. Stand by.
> >
> > Talk to you tomorrow.
> >
> > LJM
> >
> >
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Gee John:
Difficult question to answer. Maybe because some people are trying to
bring our planes into the 20th Century. Hell with the 21st!
Like everything with our planes; when they work they are GREAT!
Better Spark
Better HP
Better Fuel Economy
Better HP at Altitude
Less Plug Fouling
Fewer Moving Parts
AND
BRAGGING RIGHTS!
Barry
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Hosler, John <JHOSLER@epri.com> wrote:
> Then, why do you guys have these in your airplanes?****
>
> ** **
>
> Stock stuff is pretty reliable.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Vogt
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 2:13 PM
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire****
>
> ** **
>
> Hello, McFly . . . ****
>
> ** **
>
> I installed the Electroair on two different planes. Same result. Both
> backfire.****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 10:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire****
>
>
> ****
>
> Gary:****
>
> ** **
>
> I don't know about what would happen with two units... Are they both tied
> to a common MP line? If so a leak anywhere in the line would affect both.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Barry****
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ****
>
> I could believe it happening on one, not two. ****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 4:50 AM****
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Electro-Air backfire****
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> Gary:****
>
> ** **
>
> This may help. I had the same problem on an RV6. When switching from
> Impulse Mag to Electro-Air CDI I was getting a backfire. I traced the
> problem to the Electro-Air vacuum box. The silver box where the MP/vacuum
> line connects to. The connection was broke inside the box and there was no
> vacuum advance. Fixed that and the problem has not reoccurred in the past
> two to three years.****
>
> ** **
>
> Barry****
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
> wrote:****
>
> >
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I was hoping your plane was an anomaly. I finished "166" Friday. The
> owner picked 'er up today. This morning, we took it down to the runup area
> and, you guessed it, it backfired going to right mag.
>
> I tried it several times going from both to Right as quickly as possible.
> I'd say it backfired about half the time. Going from Left to Right nearly
> always backfired.
>
> It may be that there is enough voltage to light any residual fuel in the
> exhaust that the Left mag doesn't fire. I don't know.
>
> My first thought was to swap left right Mag connections on the switch.
> Tattoo would help going from both to Right but not from Left back to both
> since it still needs to go through Right to get there.
>
> I'd like to try separate toggles for each mag like on a Citabria.
>
> I'd also like to try dual electronic systems to see if it still backfires.
> The hotter spark may light up all of the residual fuel. By-the-way, I had
> it leaned all the way.
>
> If it were mine, I'd skip the Right mag check.
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> >
> > The more I think about it, I cant for the life of me understand how an
> electronic ignition would take 30+ mS to "fire". There has to be a problem
> with 1) the electronic ignition itself, or 2) the ignition switch is faulty
> somehow. If the backfire is as big as your say, it has to be multiple
> cylinders worth of gas igniting in the exhaust system
> >
> > These things are being installed on a lot of planes and have been on
> experimentals for a long time. This type of problem has to be some type of
> isolated case.
> >
> > Im not happy spending 3 grand on an ignition system that has this type
> of problem (a step back from what I had) and plan on calling Electro_Air
> tomorrow to discuss (give me a good number to call if you have one). If I
> don't hear what I want to hear from them or some ideas on what they think
> it is, Ill call Garner at Fletchair and make plans to ship the fucking
> thing back. Stand by.
> >
> > Talk to you tomorrow.
> >
> > LJM
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Control wheel refurb |
Does anyone have any suggestions on where to get control wheels refurbished? My
control wheels are starting to peel and look pretty bad. I have seen several
options such as leather covers but wondered if anyone has found a solution that
really looks good. Also, has anyone ever replaced the lower plastic panel where
the the rocker switches and throttle are located? How labor intensive is it
to replace? Mine is beginning to look really bad and has several cracks.
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Trade-A-Plane usually identifies folks that do refurbishing.
Roger Rucker
AA5A '78 HWO
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Sent: Mon, Apr 16, 2012 7:40 pm
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Control wheel refurb
Does anyone have any suggestions on where to get control wheels refurbished
? My
control wheels are starting to peel and look pretty bad. I have seen severa
l
options such as leather covers but wondered if anyone has found a solution
that
really looks good. Also, has anyone ever replaced the lower plastic panel w
here
the the rocker switches and throttle are located? How labor intensive is it
to
replace? Mine is beginning to look really bad and has several cracks.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Garmin Pilot app |
30-day free trial then $99/year I think. Google it or go to Garmin website.
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin Pilot app
how much?
_____
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:21 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin Pilot app
Released by Garmin at SNF. IPad navigation app with sectionals, enroute
charts, gps georeferenced. Google Garmin pilot app
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:48 PM
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Nope. What is it? I haven't looked at apps in a long time.
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I have "refurbished" a lot of yokes. In the process, I drill them for built in
PTT. They look very professional. AND . . . No visible wires. It's time consuming
and expensive. Figure about $320 delivered.
I strip them, sand blast them, have them chem-film plated, drilled, powder coated,
and wired with PTT buttons and shielded 2-wire twisted pair.
I've powder coated with gloss black, satin black, black wrinkle, black and gold
hammertone, black and silver hammertone, and dark gray wrinkle. I've also had
the yoke shaft powder coated with satin black. The black yoke shaft looks really
cool with the powder coated yokes.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
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>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on where to get control wheels refurbished?
My control wheels are starting to peel and look pretty bad. I have seen several
options such as leather covers but wondered if anyone has found a solution that
really looks good. Also, has anyone ever replaced the lower plastic panel
where the the rocker switches and throttle are located? How labor intensive is
it to replace? Mine is beginning to look really bad and has several cracks.
>
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