---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/05/12: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:41 PM - Re: Grumman airfoil (Gary Vogt) 2. 12:48 PM - Re: Grumman airfoil (Gary Vogt) 3. 12:51 PM - Re: Question (Gary Vogt) 4. 12:54 PM - Re: AA5 Vortex Generators (Gary Vogt) 5. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: AG5B upper cowling (Gary Vogt) 6. 01:48 PM - Re: AA5 Vortex Generators (Andrew Kuzyk) 7. 07:32 PM - Re: AA5 Vortex Generators (Gary Vogt) 8. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: AG5B upper cowling (Brock Windsor) 9. 08:10 PM - AG5B upper cowling: fiberglass. top pics (Gary Vogt) 10. 08:25 PM - AG5B Cowling: fiberglass inside (Gary Vogt) 11. 08:28 PM - AG5B upper cowling: OEM cowling outside (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:22 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Grumman airfoil The canopy rails are a good waterline. -You can also use the bottom of th e plane. -The wing is installed at 3 degrees to the fuselage. -Measure the wing on the front half.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro m: Bruce Smith =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 4:09 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Grum man airfoil=0A =0A=0AGary,=0A=0AJust curious. What points on a Grumman... s ay AA-5 .... determine or make up the waterline? I understand waterline as it applies to boats, but not airplanes.=0A=0AThanks and Happy 4th to all. =0A=0ABruce=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jul 3, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:=0A=0AU nder the heading of way too much time on my hands and a curiosity that won' t let me leave this topic alone, I've been converting to CAD the dimensions of several NACA airfoils and matching them to the Grumman airfoil. -Goin g on the premiss that the original AA1 had a 64-415 airfoil, I laid out a d rawing to match it as close as possible. -=0A>=0A>=0A>The original AA1 ai rfoil is close to the 64-415, but it isn't really a 64-415. -Using that s ame airfoil, and drooping the nose so that the nose was parallel to the "0" waterline and then extending that line to the spar, well, let's just say, it's an interesting airfoil, but nothing close to a 64-415.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Then, adding the flaps and ailerons from a Tiger and you have a completely new airfoil. -It's skinnier than a 64-415 and fatter than a 64-412. -So , I algebraically added the points of both the 64-415 and 64-412 airfoils a nd divided by 2. -In theory, a 64-413.5. -This airfoil is damn close to the Grumman airfoil with the exception of the flat bottom from the nose to the spar. -However, the spar location makes it a 63.5-413.5 or something similar.=0A>=0A>=0A>That's why I wanted some good locations. -I still ne ed them if you have the time and patience.=0A>=0A>=0A>From the looks of it, the Grumman airfoil actually a pretty decent airfoil. -Much thinner than the -415 and a longer upper surface with a nice gentle curve. -The -415 has a rather steep curve past the 40% chord peak. -=0A>=0A>=0A>Comparing it to a Clark-Y one needs to begin making assumptions on installed incident angles and the fact that the -Y is flatter on the bottom.=0A>=0A>=0A>Inter esting. -=0A>=0A>=0A>Feedback appreciated.=0A>href="http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGr umman-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics. com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.c om/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:44 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Grumman airfoil waterline has nothing to do with boats. -Water line comes from using a wa ter level.=0A=0AThe 'zero' line on the Grumman airfoil is NOT from the bulg e at the leading edge. -The zero for the Grumman chord is 2.9 inches up f rom the bottom (forward flat surface) of the wing at the leading edge. -I t extends though the aft trailing edge of the flap with the bottom of the f lap on the same plane as the aft section on the bottom of the wing.=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0A From: FLYaDIVE =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 5:47 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Grumman airfoil=0A =0A=0ABruce:=0A=0AW aterline is the same thing as Cord. -The-imaginary-straight-line-fr om the Leading Edge Tip (Bulge) to the Training Edge Tip or-Aerilon-Tra ining Edge when in a-neutral-position. -=0A=0AI do not know how water line came into play with planes, though may of the terms for aviation came from sailing and the sea. -In this case I would guess it has more to do w ith the-Egyptians-and the building of things like the Pyramids. -Ther e is a tool know as an Egyptian Water Level. -Today it would be made out of a-flexible-clear plastic tube, filled almost to the top with water ( at each end). -Since water-seeks its own level - You could put the wate r level at the wings leading edge - Then move the other end of the tube up and down (water level) to measure the location of the wings training edge. -Sight from water level (waterline) to water level (waterline) and you ha ve the-Cord a.k.a. Waterline. -Water levels are pretty cool, they can b e used to set heights/elevations over long distances and around corners - E specially in areas where you can not run a straight line, like finding Cent er-line from Firewall to Tailcone.=0A=0ABarry=0A"Chop'd Liver"=0A=0A=0AOn W ed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:=0A=0AGar y,=0A>=0A>=0A>Just curious. What points on a Grumman... say AA-5 .... deter mine or make up the waterline? I understand waterline as it applies to boat s, but not airplanes.=0A>=0A>=0A>Thanks and Happy 4th to all.=0A>=0A>=0A>Br uce=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jul 3, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:=0A>=0A >Under the heading of way too much time on my hands and a curiosity that wo n't let me leave this topic alone, I've been converting to CAD the dimensio ns of several NACA airfoils and matching them to the Grumman airfoil. -Go ing on the premiss that the original AA1 had a 64-415 airfoil, I laid out a drawing to match it as close as possible. -=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>The original A A1 airfoil is close to the 64-415, but it isn't really a 64-415. -Using t hat same airfoil, and drooping the nose so that the nose was parallel to th e "0" waterline and then extending that line to the spar, well, let's just say, it's an interesting airfoil, but nothing close to a 64-415.=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>Then, adding the flaps and ailerons from a Tiger and you have a c ompletely new airfoil. -It's skinnier than a 64-415 and fatter than a 64- 412. -So, I algebraically added the points of both the 64-415 and 64-412 airfoils and divided by 2. -In theory, a 64-413.5. -This airfoil is dam n close to the Grumman airfoil with the exception of the flat bottom from t he nose to the spar. -However, the spar location makes it a 63.5-413.5 or something similar.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>That's why I wanted some good locations. -I still need them if you have the time and patience.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>From the looks of it, the Grumman airfoil actually a pretty decent airfoil. -M uch thinner than the -415 and a longer upper surface with a nice gentle cur ve. -The -415 has a rather steep curve past the 40% chord peak. -=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>Comparing it to a Clark-Y one needs to begin making assumptions o n installed incident angles and the fact that the -Y is flatter on the bott om.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Interesting. -=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Feedback appreciated.=0A>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/" >http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" ======== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:16 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Question A relay for the radios might make it simpler. =C2-I hadn't thought of tha t. =C2-It isn't necessary for the Alt to go off line. =C2-Just the radi os. =C2-If the alt goes off line during start, it's not a problem.=0A=0AT hanks=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: FLYaDIVE =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 6:00 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Question=0A =0A=0AAHhhhhh OK Gary:=0A=0AI did have the sequence out of order. =C2-Your sequence:=0AOF F=0ARadio ON=0AYour notes did not mention Master but I guess that would be next - Master ON=0AALT ON=0ASTART - Radios OFF - Would you want to turn ALT OFF during START?=0AThen a SPRING RETURN just like a car back to ON for Ra dios - Master & ALT all ON.=0AYes, it could be done. =C2-Finding a qualit y switch to do the job will be=C2-difficult=C2-BUT! =C2-I'll look.=0A Gary, did you want to use a relay for the Radio operation?=0A=0ABarry=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:=0A=0ABarry,=C2-=0A>=0A>=0A>Let me write it out again. =C2-Maybe you read it so fast the first time that you missed the details.=0A>=0A>=0A >=A2 the first position turns on the battery. =C2-( listen to the r adio etc.)=0A>=A2 the second position turns on the alternator and the rest of the electrical system.=0A>=A2 the third position starts the car. =C2-During the start, the radios are dropped off-line to prevent dam age to the radios.=0A>=0A>=0A>The mags do not need to be a part of the swit ch. =C2-The mags would then be just two separate toggles.=0A>=0A>=0A>Just as in a car, the radios can come on with the first position. =C2-Alterna tor with the second. =C2-So, you can turn on the radios just like you wou ld with a split master without turning on the whole system. =C2-If an old GM ignition switch would work, then I'll look for that. =C2-It needs to be keyed. =C2-The key, then, is required to turn on the radio. =C2-Just like your car.=0A>=0A>=0A>Gary=0A>PS, the ALT side of the Master switch is nothing more than adding power to the field circuit. =C2-In case of an a lternator failure, turn the key to the first detent; =C2-i.e., radios. =C2-If you wanted to change the emergency procedure, just pull the field breaker. =C2-=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: F LYaDIVE =0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent : Tuesday, July 3, 2012 2:11 PM=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Question =0A> =0A>=0A>Hello Gary:=0A>=0A>=0A>That is=C2-exactly=C2-what I fly in the RV6. =C2-=0A>Toggle Master - Toggle ALT - Toggle L Mag - Toggle R Ma g (Electronic=C2-Ignition)=0A>Now, I went a little out there with the swi tches. =C2-=0A>I used Heavy Duty DPST (Double Poll Single Throw) switches .=0A>Heavy duty so they would have a nice solid SNAP when they are turned o n and off and would not move without noticing (works great with a gloved ha nd). =C2-=0A>These are the large size switch that require about a 3/8" ho le for mounting and has a very high Amperage rating 15 to 20 Amps.=0A>The D P so there is a huge amount of internal=C2-redundancy=C2-in the contact ability.=C2-=0A>I just tied each of the sides of the switch=C2-togethe r.=0A>As well as having Silver Contacts.=0A>I know, way over kill, since al l they do is short out the Mag to ground and turn relays On & Off. =C2-An d rubber boots are also=C2-available.=0A>Lots of advantages - And SIMPLE. =0A>=0A>=0A>Your question 2 "(Q2) Is there a switch that would work that is easy to convert to a planes requirements?"=0A>I gather that you want it ju st like a cars switch system (OFF - Master ON- Alt ON - Radios ON)? =C2-B ut you are NOT going to connect the MAGS to the same switch, is that correc t?=0A>Then what if you want to have the RADIOS ON with the ALT OFF? <-- As in a ALT failure and Radios still functioning (Running off Battery Power)? =0A>The next thing that comes to mind is ALL the=C2-Repetitive=C2-Train ing we have all gone through over the years. =C2-We have=C2-certain=C2 -things infused into our brains. =C2-The pilots would have to relearn t hings that are a bit different than our norm and what has become almost a m uscle=C2-response. =C2-=0A>=0A>=0A>If you interested in this type of sw itch I will search one out for you. =C2-It would more than likely be a=C2 -ROTARY=C2-switch with an=C2-enclosure. =C2-Would you want it Key =C2-Activated?=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Barry=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=C2-=C2- =0A>=0A>=0A>On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:=0A>=0A>Barry, this one is for you because you have so much more t rivia knowledge about electronics than most. =C2-If anyone else knows the answer, be answer also.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I was thinking about the electronic ignition system I installed on both Dean's and Larry's planes a few months back. =C2-Both of them would have benefitted from having separate toggle switches for each mag. =C2-That would make the mag checks a little simple r. =C2-=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>And, then the trusty Avionics Master. =C2-I think making a single point failure in a plane is stupid, but, what do I know. =C2-=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>So, I got to thinking (here we go again), on a cars ig nition switch,=C2-=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=A2 the first position turns on th e battery. =C2-( listen to the radio etc.)=0A>>=A2 the second posit ion turns on the alternator and the rest of the electrical system.=0A>> =A2 the third position starts the car. =C2-During the start, the radio s are dropped off-line to prevent damage to the radios.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>My qu estions are:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>(Q1) Why not incorporate separate toggles for th e mags and an ignition switch that behaves just like a cars ignition switch ?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>That would simplify the entire process.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>(Q2) Is there a switch that would work that is easy to convert to a planes requi rements?=0A>>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamG rumman-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/cont ribution =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">http://ww ==== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:58 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 Vortex Generators if you want slow flight, buy a Maule, Cub, Citabria, Cessna, or Piper.=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Andrew Kuzyk =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:14 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 Vortex Generators=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AH as anyone looked into Vortex Generators for slow flight. -How much do the y reduce the cruise speed?=0A=0AAndrew-=0ANOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. 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Say a '76. =C2-Would it p hysically fit?=0A=0ABrock=0A=0AFrom my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The fi rst nationwide 4G network=0A=0A=0A----- Reply message -----=0AFrom: "Gary V ogt" =0ATo: "Teamgrumman List" =0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cowling=0ADate: Tue, Ju l 3, 2012 10:35 pm=0A=0A=0A=0AI have two AG5B upper cowlings.=0A=0AOne was a prototype and is made of fiberglass. =C2-The other is a production carb on fiber part.=0A=0AIf you need one or want one as a spare, I'll sell both -======================== =========== =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2 =B2,=C3=9Eg(=93=C5-=C3=93M4=C3=93G=C3=9Aq=C3=BC=C2=A2=C3=C3=A2z =C2=B9=C3=9E=C3=81=C3=8A.=C2=AE'=C2=AB8^M=C3=C2=C2=BB=C2=84=A2 =C2=A9=C3=8B=C5-=C3=8BD=84=A2=C2=A8=C2=A5=C5-=C3=AE=EF=BD,z=C3=98 ^1=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B0=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4W=C5=A1=C2=B6=C3=C3=9E=C2 =B0=C3'=C2=AF=C5-=C2=AD=C2=A2=C2=BBhn=C2=BA0=C2=B1=C3=AD=C3=A9 =C5=A1=C5=B8"=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=9B=C2=AD=C5-X=C2=AD=B0=C3=AB,=C2=B9=C3 =88Z=C2=B0=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B5I=C3J=C3=C3=ACr=C2=B8=C2=A9=C2=B6*' ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:54 PM PST US From: Andrew Kuzyk Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 Vortex Generators Thanks Gary Since I couldn't get any more enthusiasm from the winglet speed mod, I thought I would go slow On Jul 5, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > if you want slow flight, buy a Maule, Cub, Citabria, Cessna, or Piper. > > From: Andrew Kuzyk > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:14 PM > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 Vortex Generators > > > Has anyone looked into Vortex Generators for slow flight. 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If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e- mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any ========= ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:20 PM PST US From: Brock Windsor Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cowling Well, if I knew they fit, and would be legal, I would buy them for my tiger .=C2- Its a 76 if you couldn't guess.=C2- My current uppers are about t o split down the sides.=C2- =0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________ =0A From: Gary Vogt =0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@matroni cs.com" =0ASent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2: 55 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cow ling=0A =0A=0AThat is an awesome question. =C2-If it isn't sold, I was g oing to try and install it on a Tiger coming in for new engine mounts. =C2 -I'll let you know. =C2-They should fit.=0A =0A=0A_____________________ ___________=0A From: "n2_narcosis@yahoo.com" =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 9:43 PM=0AS ubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cowling=0A =0A =0AGary, can the production part legally be used on an older aa5b? Say a '7 6. =C2-Would it physically fit?=0A=0ABrock=0A=0AFrom my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network=0A=0A=0A----- Reply message -- ---=0AFrom: "Gary Vogt" =0ATo: "Teamgrumman List" =0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cowl ing=0ADate: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 10:35 pm=0A=0A=0A=0AI have two AG5B upper cowl ings.=0A=0AOne was a prototype and is made of fiberglass. =C2-The other i s a production carbon fiber part.=0A=0AIf you need one or want one as a spa re, I'll sell both for $1000 or any reasonable offer. =C2-=0A=0AGary =0Ah ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigato =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2 =B2,=C3=9Eg(=93=C5-=C3=93M4=C3=93G=C3=9Aq=C3=BC=C2=A2=C3=C3=A2z =C2=B9=C3=9E=C3=81=C3=8A.=C2=AE'=C2=AB8^M=C3=C2=C2=BB=C2=84=A2 =C2=A9=C3=8B=C5-=C3=8BD=84=A2=C2=A8=C2=A5=C5-=C3=AE=EF=BD,z=C3=98 ^1=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B0=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4W=C5=A1=C2=B6=C3=C3=9E=C2 =B0=C3'=C2=AF=C5-=C2=AD=C2=A2=C2=BBhn=C2=BA0=C2=B1=C3=AD=C3=A9 =C5=A1=C5=B8"=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=9B=C2=AD=C5-X=C2=AD=B0=C3=AB,=C2=B9=C3 =88Z=C2=B0=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B5I=C3J=C3=C3=ACr=C2=B8=C2=A9=C2=B6*'=0A=0A ==================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:37 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cowling: fiberglass. top pics =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Brock Windsor =0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 7:46 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGr umman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cowling=0A =0A=0AWell, if I kn ew they fit, and would be legal, I would buy them for my tiger.=C2- Its a 76 if you couldn't guess.=C2- My current uppers are about to split down the sides.=C2- =0A=0AFrom: Gary Vogt =0ATo: "teamg rumman-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Thursd ay, July 5, 2012 2:55 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-L ist: AG5B upper cowling=0A =0A=0AThat is an awesome question. =C2-If it i sn't sold, I was going to try and install it on a Tiger coming in for new e ngine mounts. =C2-I'll let you know. =C2-They should fit.=0A=0AFrom: "n 2_narcosis@yahoo.com" =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matron ics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 9:43 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-Lis t: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cowling=0A =0A=0AGary, can the producti on part legally be used on an older aa5b? Say a '76. =C2-Would it physica lly fit?=0A=0ABrock=0A=0AFrom my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first na tionwide 4G network=0A=0A=0A----- Reply message -----=0AFrom: "Gary Vogt" < teamgrumman@yahoo.com>=0ATo: "Teamgrumman List" =0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cowling=0ADate: Tue, Jul 3, 2 012 10:35 pm=0A=0A=0A=0AI have two AG5B upper cowlings.=0A=0AOne was a prot otype and is made of fiberglass. =C2-The other is a production carbon fib er part.=0A=0AIf you need one or want one as a spare, I'll sell both for $1 000 or any reasonable offer. =C2-=0A=0AGary=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Na vigato =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2=B2,=C3=9Eg(=93=C5- =C3=93M4=C3=93G=C3=9Aq=C3=BC=C2=A2=C3=C3=A2z=C2=B9=C3=9E=C3=81=C3=8A.=C2 =AE'=C2=AB8^M=C3=C2=C2=BB=C2=84=A2=C2=A9=C3=8B=C5-=C3=8BD =84=A2=C2=A8=C2=A5=C5-=C3=AE=EF=BD,z=C3=98^1=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B0 =C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4W=C5=A1=C2=B6=C3=C3=9E=C2=B0=C3'=C2=AF=C5-=C2=AD =C2=A2=C2=BBhn=C2=BA0=C2=B1=C3=AD=C3=A9=C5=A1=C5=B8"=C3=A2=C2=B2 =C3=9B=C2=AD=C5-X=C2=AD=B0=C3=AB,=C2=B9=C3=88Z=C2=B0=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2 =B5I=C3J=C3=C3=ACr=C2=B8=C2=A9=C2=B6*'=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.c =========================0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:59 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Cowling: fiberglass inside ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:25 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B upper cowling: OEM cowling outside One of the pics is of the doublers and latches for a cowling. -The other three are the outside. -I forgot to take pics of the inside. -But, it l ooks nice. -No damage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.