---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/18/12: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:05 AM - Re: AG5B Yokes (Cliff Hanson) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: AG5B Yokes (cloudvalley@comcast.net) 3. 11:06 AM - Re: AG5B Yokes (Gary Vogt) 4. 11:15 AM - Re: AG5B Yokes (Gary Vogt) 5. 11:38 AM - leaking access cover (Gary Vogt) 6. 12:04 PM - Nose Gear Wheel Fairing Kit (3 pics) (Gary Vogt) 7. 12:05 PM - Fw: Nose Gear Wheel Fairing Kit (2 pics) (Gary Vogt) 8. 02:38 PM - Re: leaking access cover (Bruce Smith) 9. 02:56 PM - Re: AG5B Yokes (cloudvalley@comcast.net) 10. 04:21 PM - Re: leaking access cover (Bob Hodo) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes From: "Cliff Hanson" > I have a complete set of AG5B yokes, brackets, and nylon bushings. I > thought the new owner of Travis' plane wanted them for conversion. I > think Garner told Cliff they wouldn't work. Garner doesn't know that > 28840 has a flat panel just like an AG5B and that they'd work just fine. > So, if you want a set of AG5B yokes, I'll sell them. I had the brackets > powder coated in black wrinkle. $300 and they are yours. Convert your > plane to the AG5B yokes. Gary, I'm on a motorcycle trip out in CO, etc now and haven't contacted Brian and Ruth, but I'm sure they will want the yokes and for you to have them powdercoated and ready to install. I'll call them and have them call you. Cliff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:56 AM PST US From: cloudvalley@comcast.net Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes Hi Gary, =C2-We found out that the shafts were only 17 inches, not 21.5 inches. Th e cheapest route for us would be replacing the shafts and yokes back to the 79 style. Thanks anyway, Gary. Brian and Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Vogt" Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:36:38 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes I have a complete set of AG5B yokes, brackets, and nylon bushings. =C2-I thought the new owner of Travis' plane wanted them for conversion. =C2-I think Garner told Cliff they wouldn't work. =C2-Garner doesn't know that 28840 has a flat panel just like an AG5B and that they'd work just fine. =C2-So, if you want a set of AG5B yokes, I'll sell them. =C2-I had the brackets powder coated in black wrinkle. =C2-$300 and they are yours. =C2 -Convert your plane to the AG5B yokes. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:36 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes I got a call from Brian. -They are having someone change to the original yokes. -And, it isn't easy.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A F rom: Cliff Hanson =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics .com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:04 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-L " =0A=0A> I have a complete set of AG5B yokes, brac kets, and nylon bushings. -I=0A> thought the new owner of Travis' plane w anted them for conversion. -I=0A> think Garner told Cliff they wouldn't w ork. -Garner doesn't know that=0A> 28840 has a flat panel just like an AG 5B and that they'd work just fine.=0A> -So, if you want a set of AG5B yok es, I'll sell them. -I had the brackets=0A> powder coated in black wrinkl e. -$300 and they are yours. -Convert your=0A> plane to the AG5B yokes. =0A=0AGary, I'm on a motorcycle trip out in CO, etc now and haven't contact ed=0ABrian and Ruth, but I'm sure they will want the yokes and for you to h ave=0Athem powdercoated and ready to install.- I'll call them and have th = ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:17 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes Brian and Ruth,=0A=0A=0AThat's funny, I don't remember cutting anything dow n and redrilling. -That would be WAAAAY to difficult to get them correct. -I tried drilling new "U"-joints and getting them correct. -Not fun. -Maybe Travis had them cut down. -=0A=0AWhere did you get the length di mension? -The instrument panel is in the exact same location as stock. -With the yokes all the way forward, it needs to hit the firewall. -If 4.5 inches was cut off, I don't see how that would fit. -Who knows. -I' ll look at the Project X plane today.=0A=0AThe easiest fix is the AG5B yoke s. -That way, you can still have all of the functions on the yokes.-=0A =0AGary=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "cloudvalley@comc ast.net" =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:40 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5 B Yokes=0A =0A=0AHi Gary,=0A-We found out that the shafts were only 17 in ches, not 21.5 inches. The cheapest route for us would be replacing the sha fts and yokes back to the 79 style. Thanks anyway, Gary.=0ABrian and Ruth =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom: "Gary Vogt" =0ATo: "Teamgrumman List" =0A Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:36:38 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes=0A=0A=0AI have a complete set of AG5B yokes, brackets, and nylon bush ings. -I thought the new owner of Travis' plane wanted them for conversio n. -I think Garner told Cliff they wouldn't work. -Garner doesn't know that 28840 has a flat panel just like an AG5B and that they'd work just fin e. -So, if you want a set of AG5B yokes, I'll sell them. -I had the bra ckets powder coated in black wrinkle. -$300 and they are yours. -Conver 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:48 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: leaking access cover So, 5 years ago this month, I resealed both wing tanks and all access cover s on this guys Tiger. -Apparently the local guy at the Columbia, CA airpo rt didn't have resealing experience. -The reseal and annual took 6 months . -There was a LOT of stuff wrong. -Most notable was the spinner with 1 /4 inch runout. -The rear backing plate was that far off.=0A=0ASo, I get a call last week and the owner wants me to reseal the access covers. -I d on't know about you, I don't normally inspect inside the fuel tank at annua l. -For some reason, ALL of the access covers had been off since I reseal ed them 5 years ago.=0A=0AHere is a shot of one access cover that leaked so bad it wouldn't hold fuel. -The owner said the mechanic he used had trie d three times to seal it. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:54 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Nose Gear Wheel Fairing Kit (3 pics) I have ALMOST the complete set-up for a nose gear. -The only things missi ng are the doublers that go inside the wheel pant. -And, you wouldn't wan t them anyway. -Someone had installed them with #10 screws. -=0A=0ANote : -The axle shaft looks like someone hit it with a ball peen hammer is a few spots. -Not sure why. -Otherwise, it rolls on a piece of glass with out bouncing. -=0A- - - - - -The bearings are new (not in a b ox). -No races. -=0A- - - - - -The dust seals and rings are new. -=0A- - - - - -The wheel fairing was repaired (where th e screws were) with large weave cloth. -It isn't real pretty, but it is e ven. -No excess resin. -=0A=0AI'll sell the whole kit for $300 or any r easonable offer. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:07 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Nose Gear Wheel Fairing Kit (2 pics) =0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded Message -----=0AFrom: Gary Vogt =0ATo: Teamgrumman List =0ASent: Wedn esday, July 18, 2012 12:02 PM=0ASubject: Nose Gear Wheel Fairing Kit (3 pic s)=0A =0A=0AI have ALMOST the complete set-up for a nose gear. -The only things missing are the doublers that go inside the wheel pant. -And, you wouldn't want them anyway. -Someone had installed them with #10 screws. -=0A=0ANote: -The axle shaft looks like someone hit it with a ball peen hammer is a few spots. -Not sure why. -Otherwise, it rolls on a piece of glass without bouncing. -=0A- - - - - -The bearings are ne w (not in a box). -No races. -=0A- - - - - -The dust seals and rings are new. -=0A- - - - - -The wheel fairing was repai red (where the screws were) with large weave cloth. -It isn't real pretty , but it is even. -No excess resin. -=0A=0AI'll sell the whole kit for $300 or any reasonable offer. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:04 PM PST US From: Bruce Smith Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: leaking access cover Gary, Bottom photo, at about the 9:30 position. Is that an errant screw hole or a glob of sealant? Bruce On Jul 18, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > So, 5 years ago this month, I resealed both wing tanks and all access covers on this guys Tiger. Apparently the local guy at the Columbia, CA airport didn't have resealing experience. The reseal and annual took 6 months. There was a LOT of stuff wrong. Most notable was the spinner with 1/4 inch runout. The rear backing plate was that far off. > > So, I get a call last week and the owner wants me to reseal the access covers. I don't know about you, I don't normally inspect inside the fuel tank at annual. For some reason, ALL of the access covers had been off since I resealed them 5 years ago. > > Here is a shot of one access cover that leaked so bad it wouldn't hold fuel. The owner said the mechanic he used had tried three times to seal it. > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:42 PM PST US From: cloudvalley@comcast.net Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes Hi Gary, =C2-Garner gave us the specs from the Tiger spec sheet. He may have also measured them. The ones we have are 17 inches long =C2-now . The=C2-sha fts in there now may have come with the yokes. We don't know. =C2- Bought two yokes for $45 each. We can have metal =C2-plates bent a nd fashined to hold the buttons at the field here. =C2- Ruth wants it changed. She was flaring and the yoke hit her clipboar d; she bounc ed once and went around. She wants the yokes changed back now . Thanks Gary. Brian and Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Vogt" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:15:09 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes Brian and Ruth, That's funny, I don't remember cutting anything down and redrilling. =C2- That would be WAAAAY to difficult to get them correct. =C2-I tried drilli ng new "U"-joints and getting them correct. =C2-Not fun. =C2-Maybe Trav is had them cut down. =C2- Where did you get the length dimension? =C2-The instrument panel is in th e exact same location as stock. =C2-With the yokes all the way forward, i t needs to hit the firewall. =C2-If 4.5 inches was cut off, I don't see h ow that would fit. =C2-Who knows. =C2-I'll look at the Project X plane today. The easiest fix is the AG5B yokes. =C2-That way, you can still have all o f the functions on the yokes.=C2- Gary From: "cloudvalley@comcast.net" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:40 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes Hi Gary, =C2-We found out that the shafts were only 17 inches, not 21.5 inches. Th e cheapest route for us would be replacing the shafts and yokes back to the 79 style. Thanks anyway, Gary. Brian and Ruth From: "Gary Vogt" Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:36:38 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B Yokes I have a complete set of AG5B yokes, brackets, and nylon bushings. =C2-I thought the new owner of Travis' plane wanted them for conversion. =C2-I think Garner told Cliff they wouldn't work. =C2-Garner doesn't know that 28840 has a flat panel just like an AG5B and that they'd work just fine. =C2-So, if you want a set of AG5B yokes, I'll sell them. =C2-I had the brackets powder coated in black wrinkle. =C2-$300 and they are yours. =C2 -Convert your plane to the AG5B yokes. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamG=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DD=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D == ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:56 PM PST US From: Bob Hodo Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: leaking access cover Shouldn't that sealant be a dark purple?=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________ _________=0A From: Gary Vogt =0ATo: Teamgrumman List =0ASent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:37 PM =0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: leaking access cover=0A =0A=0ASo, 5 years ago this month, I resealed both wing tanks and all access covers on this guys Tiger. -Apparently the local guy at the Columbia, CA airport didn't have resealing experience. -The reseal and annual took 6 months. -There was a LOT of stuff wrong. -Most notable was the spinner with 1/4 inch runout. -The rear backing plate was that far off.=0A=0ASo, I get a call last wee k and the owner wants me to reseal the access covers. -I don't know about you, I don't normally inspect inside the fuel tank at annual. -For some reason, ALL of the access covers had been off since I resealed them 5 years ago.=0A=0AHere is a shot of one access cover that leaked so bad it wouldn' t hold fuel. -The owner said the mechanic he used had tried three times t o seal it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.