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under: a better mousetrap
The ones I made by hand took about an hour each. I figured I could get a mac
hine shop to stamp out a dozen for $5.00/set. then, sell them for $20/set. B
oy was I wrong. I would need to buy 200 sets to get the price to $7.12/set.
I guess the cowling proves I'm not in this for the money.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 24, 2012, at 9:40 PM, "n2_narcosis@yahoo.com" <n2_narcosis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> What? I thought you said expensive. 25 ain't expensive. Hell, you can't b
uy a spark plug for 25.
>
> =46rom my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Gary L Vogt" <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
> To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Filed under: a better mou
setrap
> Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 1:38 am
>
>
> Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's a
n awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and
about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience
.
>
> Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. T
he current latch is just one example.
>
> "Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential eng
ineer of the twentieth century.
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis@yahoo.com" <n2_narcosis@yahoo.co
m> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for ri
des and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with th
e latches as they are.
>>
>> Brock
>>
>> =46rom my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Dan Schmitz" <Dan.Schmitz@calix.com>
>> To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Filed under: a better mousetrap
>> Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm
>>
>>
>> Speaking for myself, the current latches don=99t seem so bad I
=99d look to replace them. I only flip my back seats about once a year and f
ind getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job
.
>>
>> Dan Schmitz
>> Tiger 4518B
>> KASH
>>
>> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumm
an-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
>> To: Teamgrumman List
>> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Filed under: a better mousetrap
>>
>> Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb t
ab to disengage the latch? They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them ma
de in China). I would get a PMA for them. Direct replacement.
>>
>> I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test. I think it makes t
he whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: a better mousetrap |
Thanks Wes. =C2-I do appreciate the kudos. =C2-=0AAnd, thank you Michae
l. =C2-Guys like you keep me in business.=0A=0ASome of you know I'm compl
etely redoing my interior and a firewall forward with an IO360 and constant
speed prop. =C2-I've relocated wires, relays, battery, made the firewall
almost void of junk. =C2-I've also changed some interior to get rid of m
ore of the plastic. =C2-My rear console will be flat all the way to the s
par. =C2-No more plastic! =C2-The console between the seats will be dif
ferent too. =C2-Can you say . . . 'cup holders?' =C2-It's a long, tedio
us process. =C2-=0A=0AMike, when do you want to get started on the tandem
Tiger?=0A=0AAlso, the tail on our planes is the only real weak spot in the
fuselage. =C2-I've got an idea for that too. =C2-But, not for a while.
=C2-Gotta pay off two houses. =C2-=0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0A_________________
_______________=0A From: Wes Chapman <weschapmanpc@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgru
mman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:35 AM=0ASubject:
Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: a better mousetrap=0A =0A=0A......and another th
ought.=0AI'm mighty dang glad that folks like Gary are out there innovating
and improving our frames/planes. Heck, use them often or not, i'm buying t
he product to keep keen minds like Gary's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.=0A
=C2-=0AWes Chapman=0AKVDI=0AN74080/Tiger=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at
2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael@flightsked.com> wrote:=0A=0ALittle by li
ttle, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big diff
erence in a product.=0A>=0A>=0A>I'd buy a set.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Thanks,
=0A>Michael=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Michael W. Meyer=0A>=0A>=0A>Tiger N74086=0A>
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4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:=0A>=0A>I'm in !=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>w=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
=0A>>=0A>>Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installati
on, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 3
0 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in
convenience.=C2-=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Sure, like most poorly conceived desig
ns, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example.
=C2-=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>"Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. T
he most influential engineer of the twentieth century.=C2-=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A
>>>GarySent from my iPad=0A>>>=0A>>>On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcos
is@yahoo.com" <n2_narcosis@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>I agree with
Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometim
es I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as t
hey are. =0A>>>>=0A>>>>Brock=0A>>>>=0A>>>>From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mob
ile. The first nationwide 4G network=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>----- Reply messag
e -----=0A>>>>From: "Dan Schmitz" <Dan.Schmitz@calix.com>=0A>>>>To: "teamgr
umman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>=0A>>>>Subject: T
eamGrumman-List: Filed under: a better mousetrap=0A>>>>Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2
012 2:19 pm=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Speaking for myself, the current lat
ches don=99t seem so bad I=99d look to replace them.=C2- I on
ly flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions
on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.=0A>>>>=C2-=0A>>>>Dan Schm
itz=0A>>>>Tiger 4518B=0A>>>>KASH=0A>>>>=C2-=0A>>>>From:owner-teamgrumman-
list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.c
om] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt=0A>>>>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM=0A>>>>
mousetrap=0A>>>>=C2-=0A>>>>Do you think there would be any demand for a
seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch? =C2-They aren't c
heap to make (unless I have them made in China). =C2-I would get a PMA fo
r them. =C2-Direct replacement.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>I have a set installed in a
customers plane as a test. =C2-I think it makes the whole 'putting the se
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| Subject: | Re: a better mousetrap |
I'll tell the fabricator to make 20 sets. =C2-It's about all I can afford
. =C2-=0A=0AThanks for your help Dean. =C2-Let me know some performance
figures with that Jaguar cowling. =C2-=0A=0A=0A_________________________
_______=0A From: Dean White <dmwhite@e3ra.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matro
nics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:54 PM=0ASubject: RE: TeamGrumma
n-List: Re: a better mousetrap=0A =0A=0AI=99ll second or third that a
nd would buy a set if available.=0A=C2-=0ADean White (Tiger N81166)=0AEdm
onds, WA 98026=0Admwhite@e3ra.com=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-teamgrumman-list-se
rver@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Wes Chapman=0ASent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:35 AM=0ATo: teamgru
mman-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: a better mouse
trap=0A=C2-=0A......and another thought.=0AI'm mighty dang glad that folk
s like Gary are out there innovating and improving our frames/planes. Heck,
use them often or not, i'm buying the product to keep keen minds like Gary
's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.=0A=C2-=0AWes Chapman=0AKVDI=0AN74080/Tig
er=0AOn Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael@flightsked.
com> wrote:=0ALittle by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, e
ventually makes a big difference in a product.=0A=C2-=0AI'd buy a set.=0A
=C2-=0AThanks,=0AMichael=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AMichael W. Meyer=0A=C2-=0A
Tiger N74086=0ASan Francisco, CA=0A=C2-=0Amichael@flightsked.com=0A=C2-
=0AOn Jul 24, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:=0A=0A=0AI'm in !=0A=C2
-=0Aw=0AOn Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.c
om> wrote:=0AWell, all I can say is that after trying it on the one install
ation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 t
o 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference
in convenience.=C2-=0A=C2-=0ASure, like most poorly conceived designs,
there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example.=C2
-=0A=C2-=0A"Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most i
nfluential engineer of the twentieth century.=C2-=0AGary=0ASent from my i
Pad=0A=0AOn Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis@yahoo.com" <n2_narcosis@
yahoo.com> wrote:=0AI agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I
take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never ha
d a problem with the latches as they are. =0A>=0A>Brock=0A>=0A>From my HTC
Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network=0A>----- Reply me
ssage -----=0A>From: "Dan Schmitz" <Dan.Schmitz@calix.com>=0A>To: "teamgrum
man-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>=0A>Subject: TeamGr
umman-List: Filed under: a better mousetrap=0A>Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19
pm=0A>=C2-=0A>Speaking for myself, the current latches don=99t see
m so bad I=99d look to replace them.=C2- I only flip my back seats
about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only
annoying part of the job.=0A>=C2-=0A>Dan Schmitz=0A>Tiger 4518B=0A>KASH
=0A>=C2-=0A>From:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owne
r-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt=0A>Sent: Mo
nday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM=0A>To: Teamgrumman List=0A>Subject: TeamGrumman
-List: Filed under: a better mousetrap=0A>=C2-=0A>Do you think there woul
d be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latc
h? =C2-They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China). =C2
-I would get a PMA for them. =C2-Direct replacement.=0A>=0A>I have a se
t installed in a customers plane as a test. =C2-I think it makes the whol
e 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>==
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