---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/26/12: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:28 AM - Fw: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention (923TE) 2. 09:15 AM - RJaguar cowling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention (Gary Vogt) 3. 10:04 AM - Re: RJaguar cowling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention (Brian Hausknecht) 4. 11:32 AM - Re: RJaguar cowling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention (Airport Bum) 5. 11:49 AM - Re: RJaguar cowling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention (Brian Hausknecht) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:59 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fwd: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention From: 923TE <923te@att.net> Gary, Might be a good time to remind Tiger owners what they can get for just a lit tle bit more.. Ned > From: "Ron Levy" > Date: July 26, 2012 8:16:43 AM CDT > To: > Subject: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention > > Gang: > > You all saw this announcement from RJ Siegel at LoPresti a few days ago: > >> Hi Guys! >> Just to remind everyone, the cowl sale ends at the close of AirVenture. >> We have eight out of ten slots taken (So my simple brain says there are >> two slots left.) (retail $4995? SALE $3995) >> Also, I said I would respond to Kevin Lancaster's rave review of the new >> 60w X3 landing light with a sale for Oshkosh. So here it is: The retail >> is $1399 and the sale for Oshkosh is $949. > > RJ emailed me this morning to say that as a favor to AYA, the sale is bein g > extended through end of the AYA Convention next Friday, August 3. > > Thanks, RJ! > > Ron > (who loves his LoPresti cowl) > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:11 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: RJaguar cowling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention I don't post to the GG. -=0A=0A$4000 for a nose bowl that really does not hing? -Amazing. -I've got a Tiger in my shop right now with the LoPrest i nose bowl that has CHTs near 500 degrees. -The NACA inlet is designed a ll wrong. -Or, let's just say, not the way it was intended. -=0A=0ADave will be getting out of the fabrication business next year. -So, I'm in t he process of finding a new fabricator.=0A=0ANed, If you'd be so kind as to post to the GG and point them toward my web site I would be very thankful. -=0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: 923TE <923 te@att.net>=0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:27 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-Li st: Fwd: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention=0A =0A=0AGary,=0A =0AMight be a good time to remind Tiger owners what they can get for just a little bit more..=0ANed=0A=0AFrom: "Ron Levy" =0A>D ate: July 26, 2012 8:16:43 AM CDT=0A>To: =0A>Subject: LoPresti sale extended through- AYA Convention=0A>=0A>=0AGa ng:=0A>=0A>You all saw this announcement from RJ Siegel at LoPresti a few d ays ago:=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi Guys!=0A>>=0A>Just to remind everyone, the cowl sale ends at the close of AirVenture.=0A>>=0A>We have eight out of ten slots ta ken (So my simple brain says there are=0A>>=0A>two slots left.) (retail $49 95? SALE $3995)=0A>>=0A>Also, I said I would respond to Kevin Lancaster's r ave review of the new=0A>>=0A>60w X3 landing light with a sale for Oshkosh. So here it is: The retail=0A>>=0A>is $1399 and the sale for Oshkosh is $94 9.=0A>>=0A>RJ emailed me this morning to say that as a favor to AYA, the sa le is being=0A>extended through end of the AYA Convention next Friday, Augu st 3.=0A>=0A>Thanks, RJ!=0A>=0A>Ron=0A>(who loves his LoPresti cowl)=0A>=0A ===================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RJaguar cowling. 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Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention From: Airport Bum Good marketing does not mean that the product is a good product. I think Gary has brought a good product to market and I would trade my cowl with lopresti nose bowl for one of Gary's cowls in a heartbeat. In my opinion, the lopresti is a large exit ramp with a visually improved nose bowl and different intake thrown in to justify the extreme cost. Remember that Roy is no longer with us and lopresti is not the same without him. Gary may not speak with the tongue of a polished marketer, but he puts a lot into his product and it shows. Gary may not have a perfect product, but I think if you ask those who have it, that he stands behind it very well. You can buy hype or you can call Gary and buy a quality product. Kevin Brian Hausknecht wrote: >Gary, >Apparently the Tiger in your shop has other problems if the CHTs are at 500. Other Lopresti nosebowl owners are quite happy. Speaking so negatively about this mod makes me reluctant to consider working with you. Positive and polite messages from RJ at Lopresti make me more interested in buying from them, along with the track record they have. Never heard of a Lopresti nosebowl owner reverting back to stock nosebowl due to problems. Even reports on your cowling are mixed with reports of little or no improvement at a much higher cost. Buyer beware and all, but attitude does count. >Cheers! >Brian > > >_ >Brian Hausknecht >bhauskne@gmail.com >www.brianflys.net >www.brianflys.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Vogt >Sender: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:14:42 >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > >I don't post to the GG. > >$4000 for a nose bowl that really does nothing? Amazing. I've got a Tiger in my shop right now with the LoPresti nose bowl that has CHTs near 500 degrees. The NACA inlet is designed all wrong. Or, let's just say, not the way it was intended. > >Dave will be getting out of the fabrication business next year. So, I'm in the process of finding a new fabricator. > >Ned, If you'd be so kind as to post to the GG and point them toward my web site I would be very thankful. > >Gary > > >________________________________ > From: 923TE <923te@att.net> >To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" >Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:27 AM >Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fwd: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention > > >Gary, > >Might be a good time to remind Tiger owners what they can get for just a little bit more.. >Ned > >From: "Ron Levy" >>Date: July 26, 2012 8:16:43 AM CDT >>To: >>Subject: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention >> >> >Gang: >> >>You all saw this announcement from RJ Siegel at LoPresti a few days ago: >> >> >>Hi Guys! >>> >>Just to remind everyone, the cowl sale ends at the close of AirVenture. >>> >>We have eight out of ten slots taken (So my simple brain says there are >>> >>two slots left.) (retail $4995? SALE $3995) >>> >>Also, I said I would respond to Kevin Lancaster's rave review of the new >>> >>60w X3 landing light with a sale for Oshkosh. So here it is: The retail >>> >>is $1399 and the sale for Oshkosh is $949. >>> >>RJ emailed me this morning to say that as a favor to AYA, the sale is being >>extended through end of the AYA Convention next Friday, August 3. >> >>Thanks, RJ! >> >>Ron >>(who loves his LoPresti cowl) >> >==================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RJaguar cowling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention From: "Brian Hausknecht" Good marketing does not mean a bad product either. Imperfect performance reports all over the place for any aircraft or product. So judgment and caution prevails when making buy decisions. Also the attitude of the vendor is important to me. RJ gives credit to Gary's cowl and provides the performance info he feels is reasonable to share. Gary is Gary. There are a range of performance reports on both products. Small market with cautious buyers. How should one communicate. _ Brian Hausknecht bhauskne@gmail.com www.brianflys.net www.brianflys.com -----Original Message----- From: Airport Bum Sender: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com Good marketing does not mean that the product is a good product. I think Gary has brought a good product to market and I would trade my cowl with lopresti nose bowl for one of Gary's cowls in a heartbeat. In my opinion, the lopresti is a large exit ramp with a visually improved nose bowl and different intake thrown in to justify the extreme cost. Remember that Roy is no longer with us and lopresti is not the same without him. Gary may not speak with the tongue of a polished marketer, but he puts a lot into his product and it shows. Gary may not have a perfect product, but I think if you ask those who have it, that he stands behind it very well. You can buy hype or you can call Gary and buy a quality product. Kevin Brian Hausknecht wrote: >Gary, >Apparently the Tiger in your shop has other problems if the CHTs are at 500. Other Lopresti nosebowl owners are quite happy. Speaking so negatively about this mod makes me reluctant to consider working with you. Positive and polite messages from RJ at Lopresti make me more interested in buying from them, along with the track record they have. Never heard of a Lopresti nosebowl owner reverting back to stock nosebowl due to problems. Even reports on your cowling are mixed with reports of little or no improvement at a much higher cost. Buyer beware and all, but attitude does count. >Cheers! >Brian > > >_ >Brian Hausknecht >bhauskne@gmail.com >www.brianflys.net >www.brianflys.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Vogt >Sender: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:14:42 >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > >I don't post to the GG. > >$4000 for a nose bowl that really does nothing? Amazing. I've got a Tiger in my shop right now with the LoPresti nose bowl that has CHTs near 500 degrees. The NACA inlet is designed all wrong. Or, let's just say, not the way it was intended. > >Dave will be getting out of the fabrication business next year. So, I'm in the process of finding a new fabricator. > >Ned, If you'd be so kind as to post to the GG and point them toward my web site I would be very thankful. > >Gary > > >________________________________ > From: 923TE <923te@att.net> >To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" >Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:27 AM >Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fwd: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention > > >Gary, > >Might be a good time to remind Tiger owners what they can get for just a little bit more.. >Ned > >From: "Ron Levy" >>Date: July 26, 2012 8:16:43 AM CDT >>To: >>Subject: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention >> >> >Gang: >> >>You all saw this announcement from RJ Siegel at LoPresti a few days ago: >> >> >>Hi Guys! >>> >>Just to remind everyone, the cowl sale ends at the close of AirVenture. >>> >>We have eight out of ten slots taken (So my simple brain says there are >>> >>two slots left.) (retail $4995? SALE $3995) >>> >>Also, I said I would respond to Kevin Lancaster's rave review of the new >>> >>60w X3 landing light with a sale for Oshkosh. So here it is: The retail >>> >>is $1399 and the sale for Oshkosh is $949. >>> >>RJ emailed me this morning to say that as a favor to AYA, the sale is being >>extended through end of the AYA Convention next Friday, August 3. >> >>Thanks, RJ! >> >>Ron >>(who loves his LoPresti cowl) >> >==================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.