---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/27/12: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - Re: RJaguar cowling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention (Gary Vogt) 2. 05:04 AM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFRlYW1HcnVtbWFuLUxpc3Q6IFJKYWd1YXIgY293bGluZy4gIFdhczogIExv?= =?utf-8?B?UHJlc3RpIHNhbGUgZXh0ZW5kZWQgdGhyb3VnaCAgQVlBIENvbnZlbnRpb24=? (=?utf-8?B?bjJfbmFyY29zaXNAeWFob28uY29t?=) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:01 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RJaguar cowling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention Brian,=0A=0AExcuse my honesty. =C2-But, I've spent a lot of time working on cooling problems. =C2-A lot of time. =C2-The first LoPresti nose bow l I ever saw was on a Tiger that was running excessive temperatures, 470+. =C2-The problem is the way they seal around the inlet. =C2-The installe r really needs to know what he's doing. =C2-The inlet on the LoPresti nos e bowl doesn't provide the same sealing area the original nose bowl has. =C2-If the cowling is installed without taking that into consideration, i t won't seal and it won't cool.=0A=0ASome time back someone told Roy, "Desi gn us a cowling like you did for Piper. =C2-We want round inlets. =C2-O f course, we don't know why we want round inlets, but they look cool on tho se Pipers and we want them too." =C2- Now, the LoPresti folks have been i n the game a long time. =C2-And, they have done their homework. =C2-The y know that few in the Grumman community will pay $$15,000 to $20,000 for a complete cowling. =C2-=C2-They also know that plane owners have a maxi mum dollar amount they are willing to spent on their planes. =C2-For Grum mans, that's $5000 (Note: for other makes and models the maximum dollars is different.) =C2-So, LoPresti makes a nose bowl that has round inlets tha t look cool and it is priced right for the market. =C2-That's genius on t heir part. =C2-LoPresti also makes a cowling for a Comanche that costs a whole lot more than my cowling. =C2-It's a thing of beauty. =C2-But, th en, Comanche owners are a different lot. =C2-(By-the-way, a good friend o f mine had a Comanche with the LoPresti cowling and prop and exhaust and tail mod and who knows what else. =C2-He flew his plane to Florida, spent $100,000+ a nd flew it home. =C2-He loved it. =C2-I worked on it. =C2-The cowling fit and finish was better than anything I'd ever seen. =C2-I incorporate d some of the ideas into my cowling.)=0A=0A=0AMy philosophy when making the Jaguar cowling was different. =C2-I didn't sit down with a board of dire ctors and bean counters and come up with a viable product for a particular market. =C2-I wasn't thinking, "Where can I cut a few corners so I can ma ke this easier and cheaper and increase my profit." =C2-I'm an engineer/s cientist =C2-and hot rodder at heart. =C2-My goal was absolutely even C HTs and as fast as I could go. =C2-=0A=0ARJ and his group have $5000 Grum man niche and they can afford to cut the price $1000 and still make money. =C2-My fabrication costs are more than he sells his nose bowl for at reta il. =C2-I make almost nothing on the cowling. =C2-The baffles alone for the cowling cost me almost $1000. =C2-I include them in the cost of the cowling. =C2-I only do that because the installation takes time and the J aguar cowling requires a Power Flow. =C2-All that adds up and most owners won't pony up for the whole deal. =C2-=0A=0AAs for the inlet, do a littl e research on your own. =C2-Look up Submerged inlets and look for papers written between 1945 and 1954. =C2-Then compare. =C2-Bob Arnold would b lock off his NACA inlet when racing and use the original inlet because the original inlet was 2 knots faster. =C2-A properly designed NACA inlet has almost no drag. =C2-Look at the NACA inlet for=C2-cabin air=C2-on yo ur plane. =C2-See the lip at the entrance? =C2-Now look at the NACA inl et LoPresti uses with the nose bowl. =C2-No lip. =C2-Again, that's the 80% rule. =C2-The cost to design that lip, with the correct entrance and area ratio and the length to which they were restricted, for the inlet area they needed, didn't add up. =C2-I don't make this stuff up. =C2-I repo rt the facts. =C2-=C2-=0A=0AReports on my cowling are mixed? =C2-I gu ess it depends on who installs mine cowling also. =C2- Still never heard of anyone saying the Jaguar didn't cool better. =C2-=0A=0AGary, the dude with attitude.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Brian Haus knecht =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: T hursday, July 26, 2012 10:04 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RJaguar co wling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention=0A =0A=0AGary, =0AApparently the Tiger in your shop has other problems if the CHTs are at 500. Other Lopresti nosebowl owners are quite happy. Speaking so negativel y about this mod makes me reluctant to consider working with you. Positive and polite messages from RJ at Lopresti make me more interested in buying f rom them, along with the track record they have. Never heard of a Lopresti nosebowl owner reverting back to stock nosebowl due to problems. Even repor ts on your cowling are mixed with reports of little or no improvement at a much higher cost. Buyer beware and all, but attitude does count. =0ACheers! =0ABrian=0A=0A=0A_=0ABrian Hausknecht=0Abhauskne@gmail.com=0Awww.brianflys. _________=0A=0AFrom: Gary Vogt =0ASender: owner-t eamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com =0ADate: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:14:42 -07 00 (PDT)=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0AReplyTo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: RJaguar cowling. Was: LoPresti sale extended through AYA Convention=0A =0AI don't post to the G==0AG. =C2-=0A=0A$4000 for a no==0Ase bowl th at really does nothing? =C2-Amazing. =C2-I've got a Tiger in ==0Amy s hop right now with the LoPresti nose bowl that has CHTs near 500 degree= =0As. =C2-The NACA inlet is designed all wrong. =C2-Or, let's just say, no==0At the way it was intended. =C2-=0A<==0Adiv>Dave will be gettin g out of the fabrication business next year. &==0Anbsp;So, I'm in the pro cess of finding a new fabricator.=0A<==0Aspan>=0A=0ANed, If you'd be so k ind as to post to the= GG and point them toward my web site I would be ve ry thankful. =C2- =0A=0AGary=0A=0A =0A=0A____________________ ____________=0A From:= 923TE <923te@att.net>=0A==0ATo: "teamgrumman-li st@matronics.com" =0ASent: Thu==0Ars day, July 26, 2012 6:27 AM=0ASubj==0Aect: TeamGrumman-List: Fwd: LoPresti sale extended through AYA ==0AConvention=0A =0A=0A=0AGar==0Ay,=0A =0AMight be a good time to remind Tiger owners wha==0At they can get for just a little bit more..=0ANed=0A=0A=0AFrom: "Ron Levy" =0A>Date: ==0AJuly 26, 2012 8:16:43 AM CDT=0A>To: =0A>Subject: LoPresti sale extended through=C2- AYA Conv en==0Ation=0A>=0A>=0AGan==0Ag:=0A>=0A>You all saw this announcement fro m RJ S==0Aiegel at LoPresti a few days ago:=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi Guys!=0A>>=0A>J ust to remin==0Ad everyone, the cowl sale ends at the close of AirVenture .=0A>>=0A>>We have eight out of ten slots taken= (So my simple brain says there are=0A>>>=0A>>two slots left.) 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