---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/21/12: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:34 AM - Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B (flyv35b) 2. 07:59 AM - Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B (discover) 3. 09:02 AM - Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B (Gary Vogt) 4. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B (Gary Vogt) 5. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B (Gary Vogt) 6. 03:32 PM - Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B (923te) 7. 03:34 PM - Re: Brake Reservoir Relocated? (discover) 8. 03:42 PM - Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B (discover) 9. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B (Gary Vogt) 10. 08:34 PM - Champion SB on 4 & 6 cylinder Slick Mags (discover) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:09 AM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B On 9/20/2012 7:30 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > At all conditions, climb, dive, straight and level, left or right skid > (yaw), the MAP registered approximately .1 inches below the pressure > recorded from a port tapped into the static line. I gather you are talking about the MAP with the new NACA type inlet duct for an AG5B? But, 0.1' MP is not even detectable on a typical MP gauge. But if this is compared to a 0.5" of 1.0" is loss with the standard inlet and air filter it is significant. Explain further. Cliff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:10 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B From: "discover" <923te@att.net> Gary, That's an incredibly good looking air intake for the AG5B. Sounds like it will give much more flow rate and pressure than the factory intake. The factory location is located in a high velocity slipstream and some have said it actually create pressures lower than static. Seeing the 2 holes aft of the NACA lip I'm guessing that the factory filter box has been replaced? So how about some pics of what's inside the cowl? On my AG5B I experimented with the 70's AA5B Tiger intake location versus the AG5B intake location. I could switch from one to the other on the fly and noted 0.5 to 1" MP increase over the AG5B intake. Now I'm curious how that compares to a port in the static line.... Looks like another good job from the Aucountry skunkworks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383713#383713 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:53 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B 626 has two separate MAP sensors. -One is connected to the engine, the ot her to the static system. -The original inlet lost, on average, .8 inches of pressure over atmosphere (static). -The original was only .5 inches l ow on takeoff, but as much as an inch low in straight and level fast cruise . -The new inlet stays around .1 below static under all conditions. -Wo rst condition was a really hard side slip, tail to the right: lost .2 inche s. -Best was side slip tail to the left: 0 inches lost.=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: flyv35b =0ATo: tea mgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, September 21, 2012 6:33 AM=0AS ubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B=0A =0A--> TeamGrum man-List message posted by: flyv35b =0A=0AOn 9/20/2 012 7:30 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:=0A> At all conditions, climb, dive, straight and level, left or right skid=0A> (yaw), the MAP registered approximately . 1 inches below the pressure=0A> recorded from a port tapped into the static line.=0A=0AI gather you are talking about the MAP with the new NACA type i nlet duct for an AG5B?- But, 0.1' MP is not even detectable on a typical MP gauge.- But if this is compared to a 0.5" of 1.0" is loss with the sta ndard inlet and air filter it is significant.=0A=0AExplain further.=0A=0ACl =========================0A =================== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:17 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B that's the prototype. -The finished one is closed on the inside with the exception of a round hole for the filter.=0A=0A=0A_________________________ _______=0A From: discover <923te@att.net>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics. com =0ASent: Friday, September 21, 2012 7:58 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List : Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B=0A =0A--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "discover" <923te@att.net>=0A=0AGary,=0AThat's an incredibly good looki ng air intake for the AG5B. Sounds like it will give much more flow rate an d pressure than the factory intake. The factory location is located in a hi gh velocity slipstream and some have said it actually create pressures lowe r than static.=0A=0ASeeing the 2- holes aft of the NACA lip I'm guessing that the factory filter box has been replaced? So how about some pics of wh at's inside the cowl?=0A=0AOn my AG5B I experimented with the 70's AA5B Tig er intake location versus the AG5B intake location. I could switch from one to the other on the fly and noted 0.5 to 1" MP increase over the AG5B inta ke. Now I'm curious how that compares to a port in the static line....=0A =0ALooks like another good job from the Aucountry skunkworks.=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:32 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B Ned, did you ever get the fairing I sent?=0A=0A=0A_________________________ _______=0A From: discover <923te@att.net>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics. com =0ASent: Friday, September 21, 2012 7:58 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List : Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B=0A =0A--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "discover" <923te@att.net>=0A=0AGary,=0AThat's an incredibly good looki ng air intake for the AG5B. Sounds like it will give much more flow rate an d pressure than the factory intake. The factory location is located in a hi gh velocity slipstream and some have said it actually create pressures lowe r than static.=0A=0ASeeing the 2- holes aft of the NACA lip I'm guessing that the factory filter box has been replaced? So how about some pics of wh at's inside the cowl?=0A=0AOn my AG5B I experimented with the 70's AA5B Tig er intake location versus the AG5B intake location. I could switch from one to the other on the fly and noted 0.5 to 1" MP increase over the AG5B inta ke. Now I'm curious how that compares to a port in the static line....=0A =0ALooks like another good job from the Aucountry skunkworks.=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:09 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@att.net> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B >From Gary: Ned, did you ever get the fairing I sent? >From Ned: Yes just discovered it. Glad you ask as it was put away in a closet..... I'm looking forward to trying it out...I'll let you know What happened to this? It looks like it would make more MP than the NACA... ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:56 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Brake Reservoir Relocated? From: "discover" <923te@att.net> Bob, Did they have a 337? Should I find it on Bondline? ned Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383748#383748 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:16 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B From: "discover" <923te@att.net> Try again on the picture Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383750#383750 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ag5b_114.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:23 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: NACA Submerged inlet: AG5B It was way too complicated. -The MAP results were the same. -The bigges t problem with the inlet below is that you couldn't get to the plugs. -Wi thout a Power FLow, there had to be a big notch in to to clear #2 exhaust. -The front baffle had to be hacked up. -Way to many things did not fit Occam's Razor. --=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: 923 te <923te@att.net>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, Se ptember 21, 2012 3:31 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: NACA Submerged in let: AG5B=0A =0A=0A =0AFrom Gary:=0ANed, did you ever get the fairing I sen t? =0A=0AFrom Ned:=0AYes just discovered it. Glad you ask as it was =0Aput away in a closet.....=0AI'm looking forward to trying it out...I'll =0Alet you know=0A-=0A-=0AWhat happened to this? It looks like it would =0Amak e more MP than the NACA... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:25 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Champion SB on 4 & 6 cylinder Slick Mags From: "discover" <923te@att.net> https://www.championaerospacepubs.com/docs/F-1100-SB1-12.pdf You guys gotten this one yet? 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