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0. 12:15 AM - A Message From AeroElectric's Bob Nuckolls... (Matt Dralle)
1. 09:13 PM - Jaguar cowling (Gary L Vogt)
2. 10:10 PM - Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 11/05/12 (Ak)
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| Subject: | A Message From AeroElectric's Bob Nuckolls... |
Dear Listers,
The well known Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric posted a great message Monday on
the AeroElectric-List regarding the Matronics Lists and the importance of supporting
the operation during the Fund Raiser. Please take a minute to read Bob's
commentary below, reposted to the other Matronics Lists with his permission...
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 08:58:41 -0600
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Please Make A Contribution Today!
At 02:14 AM 11/5/2012, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
> acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to
> support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that
> took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
>
I will add my voice to this suggestion. It's
easy to enjoy the benefits of what's available to us
off-the-shelves at the corner mega-marts. It's
seldom that we give pause to learn and understand the
processes and tools that made it possible to reach out
and select from dozens of options.
This, and all civil societies, runs on talent, energy
and mobility. Mobility exploited by thousands of hands,
machines and transportation that figure into the
'infrastructure' that puts the boxes of Wheaties and
Pop Tarts on the shelves.
See "I pencil" http://tinyurl.com/36xkhq
Any break in that chain of time, talent and resources
at least interrupts if not totally halts flow of
that benefit. Matt's room full of byte-thrashers is
like the natural gas pumping station a few miles from
my house. If those pumps stop, who ever is expecting
the furnace to come on at the other end of the pipe
is at risk for reduced service and/or higher costs
for that service.
Matt's yearly endeavor to keep his pumps running is
a trivial burden on the members of the Lists
but of incalculable value to those who participate
on them. No donation is too small.
We go to a fly-in a willingly chuck a few bucks into
the coffee can at the drinks and donuts table, let's
chuck a few bucks into Matt's coffee can too. 50,000
pounds of value doesn't get to the shelves on time
if one 18-wheeler runs out of gas. The T-bytes of
data flow we all enjoy don't get from your keyboard
to the screens of others unless Matt pays the light
bill and strokes the machines to keep them happy.
No, $5 won't get you a free copy of the 'Connection
or a fuel sampler but it will go toward the assurance
that logging onto your favorite List will open
doors that you would be sorely missed should you find
that hitting the return key doesn't produce the
expected response.
$5 from every List customer on Matt's system will
go a very long way to keeping the byte-pumps running.
$More$ will go a long way to upgrading the size
and quality of the machines as the old ones get
long in the tooth. No matter what size of donation
you choose . . . please do it now . . .
Bob . . .
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RJ,
A page from your book.
OK, TeamGrumman-ites,
If I can get a total of 6 by December 1, 2012, I'll extend the offer to the end
of December AND lower the installed price from $11,000 back to the intro price
of $10,000.
Installed price for the Jaguar Cowling, as of 1 Dec 2012, will start at $13,449.
Here are the current Jaguar orders.
1. Bob Weiss
2. Ray Owen
3. Bobby Denham*
4. Bill Stigle*
5.
6.
*promised but no deposit yet.
I am fixing the Jaguar Cowling Pricing Page to make it easier to understand. Hell,
I made it and I couldn't understand it.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 11/05/12 |
Just an Aussie perspective on today. Phew, what a relief!,, :)
Sent from my iPad
On 06/11/2012, at 19:02, TeamGrumman-List Digest Server <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
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> Total Messages Posted Mon 11/05/12: 6
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> Today's Message Index:
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> 0. 12:19 AM - Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution
Today! (Matt Dralle)
> 1. 10:19 AM - Fw: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle. mpg (Gary
Vogt)
> 2. 10:30 AM - Re: Fw: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle. mpg
(Garner Rice)
> 3. 11:12 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fw=3A_Le_Navion=2C_prototype_de_navire_=E0_effet_de_surfac?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?e_=28WIG=29? (Gary Vogt)
> 4. 12:03 PM - Re: Fw: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle. mpg
(FLYaDIVE)
> 5. 12:50 PM - Re: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle. mpg (Bob
Steward)
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> ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________
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> Time: 12:19:56 AM PST US
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make
> A Contribution Today!
>
>
> Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging
everyone
> that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
> of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
> for the Lists.
>
> Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
> (LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
> at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
> subscription!
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> Make sure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate
> the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using
> your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
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> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
>
> I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
> far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
> these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
> how the Lists have helped you!
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> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
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> Time: 10:19:37 AM PST US
> From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle.
mpg
>
> this is just ugly. -and, ugly doesn't work for me.=0A=0A----- Forwarded M
> essage -----=0AFrom: Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>=0ATo: Gary L Vogt
> <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> =0ASent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:45 PM=0ASubject
> : An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle. mpg=0A =0ACheck out this v
> ideo on YouTube:=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6A1mSh0DB8&feature
> =youtube_gdata_player=0A=0A=0AGary=0ASent from my iPad
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> Time: 10:30:17 AM PST US
> From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle.
> mpg
>
>
> Looks like 2 of giant grumman glareshields put together
> From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circl
> e. mpg
>
> this is just ugly. and=2C ugly doesn't work for me.
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
> To: Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sunday=2C November 4=2C 2012 9:45 PM
> Subject: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle. mpg
>
>
> Check out this video on YouTube:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6A1mSh0DB8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
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> Time: 11:12:40 AM PST US
> From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fw=3A_Le_Navion=2C_prototype_de_navire_=E0_effet_de_surfac?
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?e_=28WIG=29?
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> This looks like fun=0A=0A----- Forwarded Message -----=0AFrom: Gary L Vogt
> <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>=0ATo: Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> =0ASent:
> Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:34 PM=0ASubject: Le Navion, prototype de navire
> =E0 effet de surface (WIG)=0A =0ACheck out this video on YouTube:=0A=0Ahttp
> ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9gAymroXKs&feature=youtube_gdata_player=0A
> =0A=0AGary=0ASent from my iPad
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> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
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> Time: 12:03:10 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle.
> mpg
> From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
>
> Climb out looked anemic.
> Design goes back to the '40's.
> The plane should go back to the scrap pile.
> The pilot should go back to the asylum.
>
> Just goes to prove sometimes you can fool Mother Nature and Physics.
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> this is just ugly. and, ugly doesn't work for me.
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> *From:* Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
>> *To:* Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:45 PM
>> *Subject:* An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle. mpg
>>
>> Check out this video on YouTube:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6A1mSh0DB8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>>
>>
>> Gary
>> Sent from my iPad
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> Time: 12:50:14 PM PST US
> From: Bob Steward <n76lima@mindspring.com>
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: An oval closed wing plane. Flight on a circle.
> mpg
>
>
> I saw something like unto that at OSH a dozen or more years ago. The
> wing was canted back rather than an oval in the same plane, such that
> it was more of a canard design. The fact that you don't see more of
> such things clearly means that it isn't really better. Wonder how
> that fuselage would have flown if they'd just made it into a plain
> old negative stagger bi-plane, rather than trying to make it have "no tips".
>
> This sort of thing has been proposed many times before, often by
> those that should have known better....
>
> http://aero.stanford.edu/reports/nonplanarwings/ClosedSystems.html
>
> --Bob Steward
>
>> Climb out looked anemic.
>> Design goes back to the '40's.
>> The plane should go back to the scrap pile.
>> The pilot should go back to the asylum.
>> Just goes to prove sometimes you can fool Mother Nature and Physics.
>> Barry
>>
>> this is just ugly. and, ugly doesn't work for me.
>>
>> Check out this video on YouTube:
>>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6A1mSh0DB8&feature=youtube_gdata_player>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6A1mSh0DB8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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>> Gary
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