---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/22/12: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:08 AM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFRlYW1HcnVtbWFuLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBUZWFtR3J1bW1hbi1MaXN0OiBUaGlz?= =?utf-8?B?IGlzIGZvciB5b3UgTmVk? (=?utf-8?B?bjJfbmFyY29zaXNAeWFob28uY29t?=) 2. 05:09 AM - Auto Response (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 05:12 AM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFRlYW1HcnVtbWFuLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBUZWFtR3J1bW1hbi1MaXN0OiBUaGlz?= =?utf-8?B?IGlzIGZvciB5b3UgTmVk? (=?utf-8?B?bjJfbmFyY29zaXNAeWFob28uY29t?=) 4. 06:20 AM - Label Printer (923TE) 5. 06:53 AM - Re: Label Printer (FLYaDIVE) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: This is for you Ned -CNG in a Grumman (n76lima@mindspring.com) 7. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: This is for you Ned -CNG in a Grumman (FLYaDIVE) 8. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: This is for you Ned -CNG in a Grumman (Bob Steward) 9. 08:45 AM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFRlYW1HcnVtbWFuLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBUaGlzIGlzIGZvciB5b3UgTmVkIC1D?= =?utf-8?B?TkcgaW4gYSBHcnVtbWFu? (=?utf-8?B?bjJfbmFyY29zaXNAeWFob28uY29t?=) 10. 08:46 AM - CNG in a Grumman (923TE) 11. 08:48 AM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFRlYW1HcnVtbWFuLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBUaGlzIGlzIGZvciB5b3UgTmVkIC1D?= =?utf-8?B?TkcgaW4gYSBHcnVtbWFu? 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Dennis Savarese" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Auto Response I am away for the Thanksgiving holiday weekend and will have very limited access to emails. I will reply to your email as soon as possible or definitely when I return. I hope you and your family have a very blessed Thanksgiving. We have much to be thankful for. And don't forget to thank our men and women in uniform, both past and present, for their service to our country. Warm regards, Dennis ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:46 AM PST US From: "=?utf-8?B?bjJfbmFyY29zaXNAeWFob28uY29t?=" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFRlYW1HcnVtbWFuLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBUZWFtR3J1bW1hbi1MaXN0OiBUaGlz?= =?utf-8?B?IGlzIGZvciB5b3UgTmVk? 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For $12.82 including 2 day shipping I'm willing to take a chance. If it does want I require - Especially since it is computer driven with Font & Size control I will be VERY impressed. I'll give a report ASAP. Barry On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:19 AM, 923TE <923te@att.net> wrote: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113347 > > Only $10 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:33 AM PST US From: n76lima@mindspring.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: This is for you Ned -CNG in a Grumman >Hey Ned, >We should play around with putting a bottle in your 9. Don't know how we could fill it though. >Brock >Yes Norman even has gas for $1.40 per gallon. It's natural gas and has an octane of around 120. It work very well in my >pickup. Wish my Tiger could use it. Perhaps you could work on pressurizing the spar tube? With the size and weight of the 12 and 15 GGE tanks that I've seen, you MIGHT be able to install one in the baggage compartment area. But who wants a "bomb" with 3600 PSI explosive gas right behind you? And given the fuel consumption of a Tiger, we are talking 1 hour and 1:15 endurance with the 12 and 15 GGE tanks, before being wheels-on-the-pavement! I've looked at CNG for my pickup, too. It is $1.25/GGE at the local bus terminal, but that is a 15 mile round trip from my home, and the tank takes up a goodly portion of the 8' bed of the truck, so it just isn't all that practical for me, even if the CNG conversion was free (and its NOT). I understand that Ned had one of those "Phill" compressors at home and could re-charge the tank overnight off the gas service at his house. That would help with the inconvenience of travel to fill the tank. But adds a whole 'nother level of cost to the cost/benefit calculation. http://www.cngcivic.com/www.cngcivic.html --Bob Steward ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: This is for you Ned -CNG in a Grumman From: FLYaDIVE CNG... How compressed is that? Is that the 3600 PSI? WOW That is as much and more than a SCUBA tank. So, why not LCNG... Is there such a thing? Liquefied Compressed Natural Gas? That should be at a much lower pressure. Be very close in weight to AvGas. And the expansion would be way over 50:1 That could be possible. ? Think of the 312 pounds of LCNG with a 50:1 expansion AND the fuel distribution would be equal in all cylinders. How much would the tanks weigh? Barry On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:31 AM, wrote: > > >Hey Ned, > >We should play around with putting a bottle in your 9. Don't know how we > could fill it though. > >Brock > > >Yes Norman even has gas for $1.40 per gallon. It's natural gas and has an > octane of around 120. It work very well in my >pickup. Wish my Tiger could > use it. > > Perhaps you could work on pressurizing the spar tube? > > With the size and weight of the 12 and 15 GGE tanks that I've seen, you > MIGHT be able to install one in the baggage compartment area. But who > wants a "bomb" with 3600 PSI explosive gas right behind you? > > And given the fuel consumption of a Tiger, we are talking 1 hour and 1:15 > endurance with the 12 and 15 GGE tanks, before being wheels-on-the-pavement! > > I've looked at CNG for my pickup, too. It is $1.25/GGE at the local bus > terminal, but that is a 15 mile round trip from my home, and the tank takes > up a goodly portion of the 8' bed of the truck, so it just isn't all that > practical for me, even if the CNG conversion was free (and its NOT). > > I understand that Ned had one of those "Phill" compressors at home and > could re-charge the tank overnight off the gas service at his house. That > would help with the inconvenience of travel to fill the tank. But adds a > whole 'nother level of cost to the cost/benefit calculation. > http://www.cngcivic.com/www.cngcivic.html > > --Bob Steward > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: This is for you Ned -CNG in a Grumman From: Bob Steward It is called LNG, and it is stored in insulated tanks at cryogenic temps. (-260F) The energy density is ~70% that of gasoline on a per gallon basis. As Ned mentioned, NG has an "octane" of well over 100. In addition, a liquid introduced into the induction air would boil to vapor and suck the heat out of the air, lowering the density altitude of the combustion air enough to give a significant performance boost. Talk about latent heat of vaporization... --Bob Steward FLYaDIVE wrote: >CNG... How compressed is that? Is that the 3600 PSI? >WOW That is as much and more than a SCUBA tank. >So, why not LCNG... Is there such a thing? Liquefied Compressed Natural >Gas? That should be at a much lower pressure. Be very close in weight to >AvGas. And the expansion would be way over 50:1 >That could be possible. ? >Think of the 312 pounds of LCNG with a 50:1 expansion AND the >fuel distribution would be equal in all cylinders. How much would the >tanks weigh? > >Barry > >On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:31 AM, wrote: > >> >> >Hey Ned, >> >We should play around with putting a bottle in your 9. Don't know how we >> could fill it though. >> >Brock >> >> >Yes Norman even has gas for $1.40 per gallon. It's natural gas and has an >> octane of around 120. It work very well in my >pickup. Wish my Tiger could >> use it. >> >> Perhaps you could work on pressurizing the spar tube? >> >> With the size and weight of the 12 and 15 GGE tanks that I've seen, you >> MIGHT be able to install one in the baggage compartment area. But who >> wants a "bomb" with 3600 PSI explosive gas right behind you? >> >> And given the fuel consumption of a Tiger, we are talking 1 hour and 1:15 >> endurance with the 12 and 15 GGE tanks, before being wheels-on-the-pavement! >> >> I've looked at CNG for my pickup, too. It is $1.25/GGE at the local bus >> terminal, but that is a 15 mile round trip from my home, and the tank takes >> up a goodly portion of the 8' bed of the truck, so it just isn't all that >> practical for me, even if the CNG conversion was free (and its NOT). >> >> I understand that Ned had one of those "Phill" compressors at home and >> could re-charge the tank overnight off the gas service at his house. That >> would help with the inconvenience of travel to fill the tank. But adds a >> whole 'nother level of cost to the cost/benefit calculation. >> http://www.cngcivic.com/www.cngcivic.html >> >> --Bob Steward >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:57 AM PST US From: "=?utf-8?B?bjJfbmFyY29zaXNAeWFob28uY29t?=" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFRlYW1HcnVtbWFuLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBUaGlzIGlzIGZvciB5b3UgTmVkIC1D?= =?utf-8?B?TkcgaW4gYSBHcnVtbWFu? 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up one of these a few years ago before prices went up http://www.ebay.com/itm/FuelMaker-BRC-CNG-Compressor-Refueling-Station-New-/180832199725?hash=item2a1a70642d&item=180832199725&pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr Refueling at home is hard to beat. The cost is currently around $0.55 g eq compared to $1.40. I'd I moved my pump to the airport it would be the $0.55 price http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNG-Refueling-Compressor-DMC-3-200-3-0Nm3-h-/260719833144 2) It's Safer - the idea that cng is explosive is not warranted. It is much less "explosive" than 100LL http://www.wisegasinc.com/wg-cylindersafety.htm Note that the tanks are pretty much all that survive the crashes 3) Some of he new carbon fiber tanks are very light. Like 12.8 kg or 28 lbs for one here http://www.ragasco.com/sitefiles/3004/Brochures/CNG_TechSpec_2Pages_small.pdf 4) It's greener than anything else on the planet..... An hour flight using 10 gallons for $5.50 might make me fly more often! Like in my truck the change back to 100LL would be automatic and works smoothly. So you just run out of cng and auto switch to 100LL Someday liquified natural gas will be available. That is the best way to go. The Russians were flying it years ago http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=123 Ned On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:31 AM, n76lima@mindspring.com wrote: > Hey Ned, > We should play around with putting a bottle in your 9. Don't know how we could fill it though. > Brock > Yes Norman even has gas for $1.40 per gallon. It's natural gas and has an octane of around 120. It work very well in my >pickup. Wish my Tiger could use it. Perhaps you could work on pressurizing the spar tube? With the size and weight of the 12 and 15 GGE tanks that I've seen, you MIGHT be able to install one in the baggage compartment area. But who wants a "bomb" with 3600 PSI explosive gas right behind you? And given the fuel consumption of a Tiger, we are talking 1 hour and 1:15 endurance with the 12 and 15 GGE tanks, before being wheels-on-the-pavement! I've looked at CNG for my pickup, too. It is $1.25/GGE at the local bus terminal, but that is a 15 mile round trip from my home, and the tank takes up a goodly portion of the 8' bed of the truck, so it just isn't all that practical for me, even if the CNG conversion was free (and its NOT). I understand that Ned had one of those "Phill" compressors at home and could re-charge the tank overnight off the gas service at his house. That would help with the inconvenience of travel to fill the tank. But adds a whole 'nother level of cost to the cost/benefit calculation. http://www.cngcivic.com/www.cngcivic.html --Bob Steward ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:28 AM PST US From: "=?utf-8?B?bjJfbmFyY29zaXNAeWFob28uY29t?=" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFRlYW1HcnVtbWFuLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBUaGlzIGlzIGZvciB5b3UgTmVkIC1D?= =?utf-8?B?TkcgaW4gYSBHcnVtbWFu? 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this is a one day sale. May be thru Friday Today is Neweggs black Friday printer sale On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:53 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: Thanks for the post. For $12.82 including 2 day shipping I'm willing to take a chance. If it does want I require - Especially since it is computer driven with Font & Size control I will be VERY impressed. I'll give a report ASAP. Barry On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:19 AM, 923TE <923te@att.net> wrote: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113347 Only $10 ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://forums.matronics.com ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:57 AM PST US From: 923TE <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: This is for you Ned -CNG in a Grumman You can get LPG for $1.68 nearby our airport. Older proven technology and he avier than air but its doable......No need for evacuated double walled tanks http://mobile.altfuelprices.com/address_mobile.php?id=3005&lat=35.141179 0&lng=-97.4769773&fuel_type=16&address=Goldsby,%20ok&start=0 On Nov 22, 2012, at 10:48 AM, "n2_narcosis@yahoo.com" wrote: Well, its just LNG. The problem is its cryogenic. You have to have an evacua ted dewar to hold the liquid since room temp is above the critical temp of m ethane. It's expansion is closer to 400 :1 I believe. That could be for nitr ogen I can't remember. Anyway it requires a fairy large double walled tank w ith a vacuum between the walls. =46rom my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network ----- Reply message ----- From: "FLYaDIVE" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: This is for you Ned -CNG in a Grumman CNG... How compressed is that? Is that the 3600 PSI? WOW That is as much and more than a SCUBA tank. So, why not LCNG... Is there such a thing? Liquefied Compressed Natural Gas ? That should be at a much lower pressure. Be very close in weight to AvGa s. And the expansion would be way over 50:1 That could be possible. ? Think of the 312 pounds of LCNG with a 50:1 expansion AND the fuel distribut ion would be equal in all cylinders. How much would the tanks weigh? Barry On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:31 AM, wrote: >Hey Ned, >We should play around with putting a bottle in your 9. Don't know how we co uld fill it though. >Brock >Yes Norman even has gas for $1.40 per gallon. It's natural gas and has an o ctane of around 120. It work very well in my >pickup. Wish my Tiger could us e it. Perhaps you could work on pressurizing the spar tube? With the size and weight of the 12 and 15 GGE tanks that I've seen, you MIGH T be able to install one in the baggage compartment area. But who wants a " bomb" with 3600 PSI explosive gas right behind you? And given the fuel consumption of a Tiger, we are talking 1 hour and 1:15 en durance with the 12 and 15 GGE tanks, before being wheels-on-the-pavement! I've looked at CNG for my pickup, too. It is $1.25/GGE at the local bus ter minal, but that is a 15 mile round trip from my home, and the tank takes up a goodly portion of the 8' bed of the truck, so it just isn't all that practi cal for me, even if the CNG conversion was free (and its NOT). I understand that Ned had one of those "Phill" compressors at home and could re-charge the tank overnight off the gas service at his house. That would h elp with the inconvenience of travel to fill the tank. But adds a whole 'no ther level of cost to the cost/benefit calculation. http://www.cngcivic.com /www.cngcivic.html --Bob Steward ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. 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I love living in the 2nd cheapest city. =C2-Fits a Grumman own er perfectly.=0A=0ABrock=0A=0AFrom my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The fir st nationwide 4G network=0A=0A=0A----- Reply message -----=0AFrom: "Gary Vo gt" =0ATo: "Teamgrumman List" =0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: This is for you Ned=0ADate: Tue, No v 20, 2012 12:05 pm=0A=0A=0A=0A2. Norman, Okla. (most affordable cities in America)=0ALocated just 20 miles south of Oklahoma City, Norman is the stat e=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s third-largest city and home to the National Weat her Center. 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