---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/13/12: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:26 AM - AvGas being sold at MoGas Stations (FLYaDIVE) 2. 07:28 AM - A follow up to the AvGas MoGas Mix Up (FLYaDIVE) 3. 09:07 PM - Re: AvGas being sold at MoGas Stations (Gary Vogt) 4. 11:45 PM - Re: AvGas being sold at MoGas Stations (Mel Beckman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:04 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AvGas being sold at MoGas Stations From: FLYaDIVE Gang: I was just informed of an article in the NEWARK STAR LEDGER (NEWARK, NJ NEWSPAPER), Page 21. Gas Stations being shut down because they are selling AVIATION GAS!!! Too bad I did not know which station were selling it... I would have loaded up! Especially at $3.60 a Gallon. <-- High Test. Maybe it was in the REGULAR Pumps at $3.26 a Gallon??? But, the questions have to be asked: 1 - If there is so much control over AvGas <--- So they say as to keep prices high. Where was the control on the delivery? 2 - Was AvGAs put into uncontrolled MoGas delivery vehicles? 3 - Was MoGas put into uncontrolled AvGas delivery vehicles? 4 - Have the Controlled Delivery Vehicles now been contaminated with MoGas? 5 - OMG ! ! ! ... What will our Ever Vigilant EPA do now that LEAD is being burned by surface vehicles? And... 6 - Who picks up the $TAB$ on the destroyed Catalytic Converters. <--- NJ in all their wisdom has done away with automobile inspection. Except for EMISSIONS TESTING. So, if your car fails and you don't even know you had a load of AvGas who pays for the repairs??? AND even if you do know... WHO PAYS! No coffee as yet so these are the only questions I can come up with at this time. Maybe you have a few to ask? Barry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:29 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: A follow up to the AvGas MoGas Mix Up From: FLYaDIVE Six NJ Gas Stations Mistakenly Fed 100LL - (Dec 12 2012) The state of New Jersey confirmed Wednesday that six automotive gas stations received and sold leaded aviation fuel to drivers before the mistake was discovered and the sales were shut down. The fuel was delivered by eight tankers between Dec. 5 and Dec. 7 to six gas stations owned by the same company. In a statement from the Division of Consumer Affairs, the fuel was not directly identified as 100LL. The agency said the fuel was "rated at 104.7 octane compared to 93 octane for super unleaded," and contained "a small amount of lead." It was mistakenly sold to motorists as super unleaded. According to the agency, it "should not cause damage to vehicles engines." Click through for a link to the release from Consumer Affairs and a list of affected stations. This is from the AV WEB site: http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/texis/scripts/avweb-search/search.html?query=aviation+gas&x=43&y=11 They think it will not affect the engine... The engine NO! But the Catalytic Converter and maybe the O2 Sensor and the MAP Sensor? Barry ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:18 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AvGas being sold at MoGas Stations I doubt it. -That would be pretty impossible to screw up.=0A=0A=0A=0A____ ____________________________=0A From: FLYaDIVE =0ATo: t eamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:25 AM =0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: AvGas being sold at MoGas Stations=0A =0A=0AG ang:=0A=0AI was just informed of an article in the NEWARK STAR LEDGER (NEWA RK, NJ NEWSPAPER), Page 21.=0A=0AGas Stations being shut down because they are selling AVIATION GAS!!!=0A=0AToo bad I did not know which station were selling it... I would have loaded up! -Especially at $3.60 a Gallon. <-- High Test. -Maybe it was in the REGULAR Pumps at $3.26 a Gallon???=0ABut, the questions have to be asked:=0A1 - If there is so much control over AvG as <--- So they say as to keep prices high. -Where was the control on the delivery?=0A2 - Was AvGAs put into-uncontrolled-MoGas delivery vehicle s?=0A3 - Was MoGas put into uncontrolled AvGas delivery vehicles?=0A4 - Hav e the Controlled Delivery Vehicles now been-contaminated-with MoGas?=0A 5 - OMG ! ! ! ... What will our Ever Vigilant EPA do now that LEAD is being burned by surface vehicles? And...=0A6 - Who picks up the $TAB$ on the-d estroyed-Catalytic-Converters. <--- NJ in all their-wisdom-has done away with automobile inspection. -Except for-EMISSIONS-TESTING. -S o, if your car fails and you don't even know you had a load of AvGas who pa ys for the repairs??? -AND even if you do know... WHO PAYS!=0A=0ANo coffe e as yet so these are the only questions I can come up with at this time. ====== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:59 PM PST US From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AvGas being sold at MoGas Stations It happened. But it was Jet-A they were mis-dispensing, not gasoline. Cars w ere stalled a few blocks way from the station. Jet-A is kerosene, and it wou ld do a lot worse than just foul the catcon. I suspect the engines were dama ged as well. A half-dozen stations and 80,000 gallons. http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=17931439 -mel via cell On Dec 13, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > I doubt it. That would be pretty impossible to screw up. > > > From: FLYaDIVE > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:25 AM > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AvGas being sold at MoGas Stations > > Gang: > > I was just informed of an article in the NEWARK STAR LEDGER (NEWARK, NJ NE WSPAPER), Page 21. > > Gas Stations being shut down because they are selling AVIATION GAS!!! > > Too bad I did not know which station were selling it... I would have loade d up! Especially at $3.60 a Gallon. <-- High Test. Maybe it was in the REG ULAR Pumps at $3.26 a Gallon??? > But, the questions have to be asked: > 1 - If there is so much control over AvGas <--- So they say as to keep pri ces high. Where was the control on the delivery? > 2 - Was AvGAs put into uncontrolled MoGas delivery vehicles? > 3 - Was MoGas put into uncontrolled AvGas delivery vehicles? > 4 - Have the Controlled Delivery Vehicles now been contaminated with MoGas ? > 5 - OMG ! ! ! ... What will our Ever Vigilant EPA do now that LEAD is bein g burned by surface vehicles? And... > 6 - Who picks up the $TAB$ on the destroyed Catalytic Converters. <--- NJ i n all their wisdom has done away with automobile inspection. Except for EMI SSIONS TESTING. So, if your car fails and you don't even know you had a loa d of AvGas who pays for the repairs??? AND even if you do know... WHO PAYS! > > No coffee as yet so these are the only questions I can come up with at thi s time. > Maybe you have a few to ask? > > > Barry > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.