---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/16/12: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:07 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Gary L Vogt) 2. 12:14 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Gary L Vogt) 3. 12:14 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Gary L Vogt) 4. 04:04 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Kevin) 5. 04:08 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Kevin) 6. 06:23 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Steven Lindrooth) 7. 06:52 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (FLYaDIVE) 8. 07:09 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (923TE) 9. 07:15 AM - (Kevin) 10. 11:00 AM - Re: FB? (Gary Vogt) 11. 11:11 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Gary Vogt) 12. 11:12 AM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Gary Vogt) 13. 12:37 PM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Mel Beckman) 14. 02:30 PM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Dj Merrill) 15. 03:46 PM - Re: Updates on 28747 (mel@becknet.com) 16. 04:06 PM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Dj Merrill) 17. 11:12 PM - Re: Updates on 28747 (Gary L Vogt) 18. 11:47 PM - Re: Updates on 28747 (mel@becknet.com) 19. 11:50 PM - Re: Updates on 28747 (mel@becknet.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 From: Gary L Vogt To create pages on my web site takes hours. To publish on Facebook takes min utes. Sent from my iPad On Dec 15, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Carol Stocker wrote: > I don't either...would like to see the pictures, too...could not find the i nterior pictures on the AuCountry web page. > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Well, That is totally lemon! > > I cannot either.. I don't FACE. > > Barry > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Kevin wrote: > Would lime to see them but cannot. > > Gary Vogt wrote: > > I've been posting a lot of pictures on Facebook of the interior restoratio n on my plane. If you want to see them, just 'LIKE' the AuCountry Aviation p age. > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 From: Gary L Vogt Bummer. Only takes a minute and you. Don't even need any friends. Sent from my iPad On Dec 15, 2012, at 3:19 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Well, That is totally lemon! > > I cannot either.. I don't FACE. > > Barry > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Kevin wrote: > Would lime to see them but cannot. > > Gary Vogt wrote: > > I've been posting a lot of pictures on Facebook of the interior restoratio n on my plane. If you want to see them, just 'LIKE' the AuCountry Aviation p age. > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 From: Gary L Vogt Kevin, if it's some sort of religious issue, I understand. Sent from my iPad On Dec 15, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Kevin wrote: > Would lime to see them but cannot. > > Gary Vogt wrote: > > I've been posting a lot of pictures on Facebook of the interior restoratio n on my plane. 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All it takes is a valid email address, the free ones from Yahoo, Gmail ect. work fine. The point being that you don't even have to use your real name, let alone enter any meaningful information to open a Facebook account. Steve Lindrooth _____ Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 Really it's an issue with a company that I don't trust with my information. Too many issues with fb. Thanks for your concern now get back to making airplane parts and fixing your website. :) Gary L Vogt wrote: Kevin, if it's some sort of religious issue, I understand. Sent from my iPad On Dec 15, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Kevin wrote: Would lime to see them but cannot. Gary Vogt wrote: I've been posting a lot of pictures on Facebook of the interior restoration on my plane. If you want to see them, just 'LIKE' the AuCountry Aviation page. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 From: FLYaDIVE Hi Gary: I can understand the time it took to create your Website and agree the time is prohibitive when you consider the quantity of pictures you are requested to post along with the quantity you do post... THANK YOU. But there are simpler and better ways of posting to the Internet than FACEBOOK. Look into SHUTTERFLY.COM and PHOTOBUCKET.COM. Both sites are free to post to and are not personally intrusive as FACEBOOK. Barry On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:02 AM, Gary L Vogt wrote: > To create pages on my web site takes hours. To publish on Facebook takes > minutes. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 15, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Carol Stocker > wrote: > > I don't either...would like to see the pictures, too...could not find the > interior pictures on the AuCountry web page. > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > >> Well, That is totally lemon! >> >> I cannot either.. I don't FACE. >> >> Barry >> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Kevin wrote: >> >>> Would lime to see them but cannot. >>> >>> Gary Vogt wrote: >>> >>> I've been posting a lot of pictures on Facebook of the interior >>> restoration on my plane. If you want to see them, just 'LIKE' the >>> AuCountry Aviation page. >>> >>> * >>> >>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> * >> >> > * > > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:58 AM PST US From: 923TE <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 Just created a Facebook account in an assumed name. Took about 45 seconds. Skipped all questions after the first page. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:45 AM PST US From: Kevin ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:31 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: FB? We've had this conversation before. -I have no desire to convert anyone t o FB. -I was not implying you should be on FB. -I was simply stating th at the updates on 747 have been posted on FB. -If you don't want to recei ve them via FB, I respect your decisions.=0A=0AI suppose if my entire famil y (and my wife's entire family) were in the neighborhood, Facebook wouldn't make any sense. -As it is, FB has allowed me to stay in touch with, and up-to-date with, my daughter and grandsons in Mass, my brother in Florida, my granddaughter, mother, and sisters and a brother in Utah, and cousins in Washington, Florida, Texas, Oregon, and New York on a daily/semi-daily bas is. -Not to mention about 10 friends from High School and current and pas t customers.=0A=0AFacebook has been invaluable for my wife in staying in to uch with her son in New York, here sisters and brothers in Italy, Belgium, Australia, Argentina, Canada, England and on 4 different islands in the Phi lippines. -She also stays in touch with dozens of cousins all over the wo rld; including the middle east.=0A=0AAs for copyrights, I can download just about anything from the internet. -As for patents, nothing is stopping a nyone from copying my inventions. -I don't have enough money to fight the m in court. -If you are too lazy or too ignorant to invent something on y our own and want to steal something I create, knock yourself out. -Imitat ion is the sincerest form of flattery.=0A=0AI promote my day-to-day progres s on my projects on the AuCountry Aviation Facebook page. -My former and current customers seem to appreciate the posts. -Many of my friends and m ost of my family enjoy (or seem to, anyway) the posts about my projects. -My nephew is a gear head and he is really interested in my projects. - He isn't into FB and never posts anything except on my AuCountry Aviation F B page. -The moderator of this -list is on my AuCountry Aviation FB page. -He's a pilot. -He's an airplane builder. -He does some awesome work . -His RV has the nicest interior of any plane I've ever seen. -If not for FB, I wouldn't have seen something he created. -if not for FB, I woul dn't have even known he was a pilot.=0A=0AWhen I get some time, I'll be upd ating my web site; I haven't updated the Restoration page since 2010.=0A=0A Again, if you choose to 'Like' my FB page, great. -I'll never know who yo u are. -The 'Like' only shows my friends. -So, you can lurk and remain anonymous. -If you choose to wait until I update my website, I hope you h appen to go to my website and know where to look. -=0A=0AYa all have a ni ce day now. -=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Bob Steward =0ATo: Gary L Vogt =0ASent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 9:17 AM=0ASubject: FB?=0A =0AYes, for some it ma y seem like a religious debate.=0AI personally don't use FB, and see little if any use in it.=0AToo old, I guess.- But then I don't Tweet, either. - So maybe I am just a bit of a Luddite.=0A=0AOne aspect you may not have considered, I understand that FB OWNS all materials posted.- So you are giving up the copyright to all your photos, and possibly even technical inf o you post...=0A=0ANot a good plan for a business.=0A=0AAnd Kevin (and othe rs) are correct, there are several easy ways to share photos that do not gi ve up your ownership, and are as simple as "drag and drop."=0A=0AMerry Chri stmas.=0A=0A--Bob Steward ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:38 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 Kevin, and others=0A=0AI have viewed pics on Fletchers photobucket. =C2-I f he posted something since the last time I looked, I'd never know. =C2-I 'd never know because I don't get notified when he posts something. =C2-I also don't care much for the format on photobucket. =C2-But, that's a su bjective call. =C2-=0A=0AI have 64 likes in the AuCountry FB page. =C2- Those people will see the updates.=0A=0AKevin, in the length of time it too k you to write the email, you could have signed up on FB and liked the page . =C2-By now, you would have seen the projects. =C2-In an hour you'd be sent an email that I've posted Dave's headliner on AuCountry FB page. =C2 -Then you, too, could have seen it. =C2-It's a personal thing for you a nd a few others and I appreciate that. =C2-=0A=0AI never sign up for thos e store cards are the grocery store that may save me a few cents on purchas es. =C2-I don't want them to associate my name with what I buy. =C2-Tha t's me. =C2-You don't want to make me sign up for the card. =C2-I'm not going to make you sign up on FB. =C2-=0A=0AI do use an Apple Web page so ftware. =C2-I've been building web pages for 20 years. =C2-I've used se veral programs. =C2-It's time consuming to create buttons, build all the cross links and get them right. =C2-=0A=0A=0AGary=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0A From: Kevin =0ATo: teamgrumman-list @matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:04 AM=0ASubject: Re: Te amGrumman-List: Updates on 28747=0A =0A=0AWhy not add a page/link on your w ebsite that send viewers to a page on a photo sharing site like the one Fle tcher uses ( http://s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz239/airmaster1 ). It wou ld be quick, easy, and then everyone can see. That way, you will not spen d hours working with some obscure and likely outdated software like your us ing for your website. =0A=0AOnce the page link is created on your website, you will not have to make any changes when you add photos to the photo shar ing site. I'm not sure if you recognize that for every person who will tak e the time to share with you the frustration of not being able to see what you are posting about, there are many others who will say nothing but will not see your work/products and that costs you sales. Then again maybe you don't care about that. I guess you could just have your auc fb page and de lete the incomplete website since it is so much hassle to deal with. =0A=0A I'd liken it to apple products. They are good quality but not everyone us ed them. Speaking of apple, why not use some of their new web creation so ftware and make a new easy to maintain website. It is super easy to add ph otos and new pages any time you want(drag and drop). I may buy one just fo r that capability.=0A=0ABy the way, I'm quite serious about this. I would not waste my time on an issue such as this if it was not important to me. B ut don't listen to me, after all I'm just a customer, and who needs them. =0A=0AGary L Vogt wrote:=0A=0A=0ATo create pages on my web site takes hours. To publish on Facebook takes minutes.=C2-=0A=0A Sent from my iPad=0A=0AOn Dec 15, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Carol Stocker wrote:=0A=0A=0AI don't either...would like to see the pict ures, too...could not find the interior pictures on the AuCountry web page. =0A>=0A>=0A>On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A>=0A>Well, That is totally lemon!=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I cannot either.. 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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:56 PM PST US From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 Gary, Alas, you have incorrect info. Facebook requires your real first and last na me and that you upload a copy of a government-issued ID: http://m.facebook.com/help/457469094277849/ Anyone who manages to fake an ID submission will eventually get their accoun t suspended with the following message: http://www.facebook.com/help/contact/?id=183000765122339 Any existing FB users who haven't yet submitted an ID will soon have their a ccount suspended and receive an identical message. This is why I, too, eschew Facebook. It's gotten extremely big brotherish, a nd FB has proven over and over again that it can't be trusted to keep your i nformation private. Mark Zuckerberg, the inventor of Facebook, has publicly s aid many times that he believes there is no such thing as privacy and his in tention is that everyone should share everything. He's an idiot. A wealthy idiot, to be sure, making a fortune by selling your privacy to others. -mel On Dec 16, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Gary Vogt wrote: > There is no requirement on FB to include any information that is true and c orrect. Make it up as you go along? > > From: Kevin > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:07 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 > > Really it's an issue with a company that I don't trust with my information . Too many issues with fb. Thanks for your concern now get back to making ai rplane parts and fixing your website. :) > > Gary L Vogt wrote: > > Kevin, if it's some sort of religious issue, I understand. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 15, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Kevin wrote: > >> Would lime to see them but cannot. >> >> Gary Vogt wrote: >> >> I've been posting a lot of pictures on Facebook of the interior restorati on on my plane. 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Facebook requires your real first and > last name and that you upload a copy of a government-issued ID: > > http://m.facebook.com/help/457469094277849/ > Mel, you are misinterpreting that page. There is no *requirement* for uploading an ID to setup a Facebook account. They only ask for ID if you lose your facebook password and are asking for their help to get into your account. They are basically asking you to confirm that you are really you, and it is not Gary trying to get into your account, for example... :-) Of course they want you to use your real name to setup the account, but there is nothing stopping you from creating an account using fake info. So, don't forget your password and you are fine. Or, if you do, since you created the original account with fake info, just create another one with fake info and make sure to write the password down somewhere. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:11 PM PST US From: "mel@becknet.com" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 DJ, Can you try to scam FB? Of course. You can use a false ID at a bar too, but t here can be consequences. In some states violating the terms of a contract i s a crime: fraud. The Facebook agreement you accept has been ruled in court y o be a legally binding contract. Facebook rules require that you have only o ne account, in your own name: Facebook users must provide their real names and information, and we need yo ur help to keep it that way. Here are some commitments you make to us relati ng to registering and maintaining the security of your account: You will not provide any false personal information on Facebook, or create a n account for anyone other than yourself without permission. You will not create more than one personal account. If we disable your account, you will not create another one without our perm ission. It's true that FB doesn't often require that you submit an ID when you regis ter (although for famous names they do). But this "inefficiency" is simply a logistics issue that FB is working through. Eventually they will ask you to upload an ID, and if you don't they will lock your account. There is now ap peal from this process, and once locked, until you send them an ID, they wil l continue to sell your data, create new events on your account viewable by o thers (such as photo tagging and app purchases via Facebook co-conspirators s uch as Amazon), and there is Nothing you can do abut it. This happened to my daughter when she complained that a "friend of a friend" was posting vulgar messages on her page despite her security settings. Face book demanded her picture ID. When she refused, she was locked out. The repu tation carnage from the vulgar postings continue. As an IT security specialist I advise people against using FB if they value t heir privacy. It may seem convenient, and there can be benefits, but they ar en't worth the ultimate risk. There are more secure alternatives that do res pect privacy and permit anonymity. -mel On Dec 16, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Dj Merrill wrote: > On 12/16/2012 3:37 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> Gary, >> >> Alas, you have incorrect info. Facebook requires your real first and last name and that you upload a copy of a government-issued ID: >> >> http://m.facebook.com/help/457469094277849/ >> > > > Mel, you are misinterpreting that page. There is no *requirement* for uploading an ID to setup a Facebook account. They only ask for ID if you l ose your facebook password and are asking for their help to get into your ac count. They are basically asking you to confirm that you are really you, an d it is not Gary trying to get into your account, for example... :-) Of co urse they want you to use your real name to setup the account, but there is n othing stopping you from creating an account using fake info. > > So, don't forget your password and you are fine. Or, if you do, since you created the original account with fake info, just create another one wi th fake info and make sure to write the password down somewhere. > > -Dj > > -- > Dj Merrill - N1JOV > Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ > Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 From: Dj Merrill On 12/16/2012 6:45 PM, mel@becknet.com wrote: > Eventually they will ask you to upload an ID, and if you don't they > will lock your account. ...(snip)... there is Nothing you can do abut it. Of course there is, you can stop using Facebook. > As an IT security specialist I advise people against using FB if they > value their privacy. Agreed. I am also an IT security specialist, and there is no way that I would ever put anything on Facebook that I cared about, including any real information about my birthday, birth place, etc. If you truly think that Facebook is going to take you to court for creating an account with false info, then they would have a LOT of court cases to file. :-) It is really not very practical for them to do so, including technical a well as legal concerns. If you are really worried about them tracking you down, use the Tor web browser to help protect your anonymity. If you are seriously concerned about Big Brother tracking you, then get rid of all of your credit cards and other means of electronic purchases, never use a cell phone, never fly a commercial airline, never file a flight plan (VFR or IFR), etc. > There are more secure alternatives that do respect privacy and permit > anonymity. Been there and tried that - basic issue is that none of my "friends" use them, so there was little point in posting info just for myself to read. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 From: Gary L Vogt Wow. News to me. I have never up loaded a govt ID. When I first signed up on FB years ago, I created two different ones because of all the stuff I've heard. The other one is till there under a name I mad e up. Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > Gary, > > Alas, you have incorrect info. Facebook requires your real first and last n ame and that you upload a copy of a government-issued ID: > > http://m.facebook.com/help/457469094277849/ > > Anyone who manages to fake an ID submission will eventually get their acco unt suspended with the following message: > > http://www.facebook.com/help/contact/?id=183000765122339 > > Any existing FB users who haven't yet submitted an ID will soon have their account suspended and receive an identical message. > > This is why I, too, eschew Facebook. It's gotten extremely big brotherish, and FB has proven over and over again that it can't be trusted to keep your information private. Mark Zuckerberg, the inventor of Facebook, has publicl y said many times that he believes there is no such thing as privacy and his intention is that everyone should share everything. > > He's an idiot. A wealthy idiot, to be sure, making a fortune by selling yo ur privacy to others. > > -mel > > On Dec 16, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Gary Vogt wrote: > >> There is no requirement on FB to include any information that is true and correct. Make it up as you go along? >> >> From: Kevin >> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:07 AM >> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 >> >> Really it's an issue with a company that I don't trust with my informatio n. Too many issues with fb. Thanks for your concern now get back to making a irplane parts and fixing your website. :) >> >> Gary L Vogt wrote: >> >> Kevin, if it's some sort of religious issue, I understand. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Dec 15, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Kevin wrote: >> >>> Would lime to see them but cannot. >>> >>> Gary Vogt wrote: >>> >>> I've been posting a lot of pictures on Facebook of the interior restorat ion on my plane. 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____________________________________ Time: 11:47:46 PM PST US From: "mel@becknet.com" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 FB didn't always have this requirement, but they are in the process of enfor cing it more widely. Eventually FB will demand upload of your ID; for sure t hey will the first time you ask for assistance. This is a war of attrition f or them, so they're in no hurry. By demanding ID when users need something f rom them, they have a lever and achieve higher "compliance" levels. FB is sl owly absorbing IDs, at a rate that users don't sense and thus are complacent to let continue. I've heard that internally staffers even refer to users a s "frogs". -mel On Dec 16, 2012, at 11:11 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: > Wow. News to me. I have never up loaded a govt ID. > > When I first signed up on FB years ago, I created two different ones becau se of all the stuff I've heard. The other one is till there under a name I m ade up. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > >> Gary, >> >> Alas, you have incorrect info. Facebook requires your real first and last name and that you upload a copy of a government-issued ID: >> >> http://m.facebook.com/help/457469094277849/ >> >> Anyone who manages to fake an ID submission will eventually get their acc ount suspended with the following message: >> >> http://www.facebook.com/help/contact/?id=183000765122339 >> >> Any existing FB users who haven't yet submitted an ID will soon have thei r account suspended and receive an identical message. >> >> This is why I, too, eschew Facebook. It's gotten extremely big brotherish , and FB has proven over and over again that it can't be trusted to keep you r information private. Mark Zuckerberg, the inventor of Facebook, has public ly said many times that he believes there is no such thing as privacy and hi s intention is that everyone should share everything. >> >> He's an idiot. A wealthy idiot, to be sure, making a fortune by selling y our privacy to others. >> >> -mel >> >> On Dec 16, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Gary Vogt wrote: >> >>> There is no requirement on FB to include any information that is true an d correct. Make it up as you go along? >>> >>> From: Kevin >>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 >>> >>> Really it's an issue with a company that I don't trust with my informati on. Too many issues with fb. Thanks for your concern now get back to making a irplane parts and fixing your website. :) >>> >>> Gary L Vogt wrote: >>> >>> Kevin, if it's some sort of religious issue, I understand. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Kevin wrote: >>> >>>> Would lime to see them but cannot. >>>> >>>> Gary Vogt wrote: >>>> >>>> I've been posting a lot of pictures on Facebook of the interior restora tion on my plane. 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t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> ========================= ========= >> cs.com >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:19 PM PST US From: "mel@becknet.com" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Updates on 28747 It isn't FB taking you to court. It's law enforcement, arresting you and fil ing criminal charges. Google the cases and you'll see that court precedent h as been established that fake user IDs are a crime in some states, notably C A and NJ. -mel On Dec 16, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Dj Merrill wrote: > > On 12/16/2012 6:45 PM, mel@becknet.com wrote: >> Eventually they will ask you to upload an ID, and if you don't they will l ock your account. ...(snip)... there is Nothing you can do abut it. > > Of course there is, you can stop using Facebook. > >> As an IT security specialist I advise people against using FB if they val ue their privacy. > > Agreed. I am also an IT security specialist, and there is no way that I would ever put anything on Facebook that I cared about, including any real i nformation about my birthday, birth place, etc. > > If you truly think that Facebook is going to take you to court for crea ting an account with false info, then they would have a LOT of court cases t o file. :-) It is really not very practical for them to do so, including t echnical a well as legal concerns. If you are really worried about them tra cking you down, use the Tor web browser to help protect your anonymity. > > If you are seriously concerned about Big Brother tracking you, then get rid of all of your credit cards and other means of electronic purchases, ne ver use a cell phone, never fly a commercial airline, never file a flight pl an (VFR or IFR), etc. > > >> There are more secure alternatives that do respect privacy and permit ano nymity. > > Been there and tried that - basic issue is that none of my "friends" us e them, so there was little point in posting info just for myself to read. > > -Dj > > -- > Dj Merrill - N1JOV > Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ > Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.