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     1. 07:50 AM - Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir (boxereighty@AOL.COM)
     2. 08:48 AM - Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir (923TE)
     3. 10:48 AM - Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir (Gary Vogt)
     4. 10:52 AM - Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir (Gary Vogt)
     5. 11:32 AM - Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir (923TE)
     6. 04:36 PM - Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir (Dean White)
     7. 05:14 PM - Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir (923TE)
     8. 06:19 PM - Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir (Dean White)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:50:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir
    From: boxereighty@AOL.COM
    FWIW, the ElectroAir installation instructions recommends against any permanent magnet light weight starter and specifies the SkyTek as incompatible with starting with their electronic ignition energized because of the high current draw. The later version is OK but I have the PM version . I just don't get to start with the electronic ignition energized. I kept th e impulse mag so starts are just likealways. ________ There is a clever saying about telling someone not to do something that can't be done while he's doing it, but it slips my mind.? Let's ask Dean and Larry what they think.? They both have light weight starters, one 24 volt, one 12 volt.? I installed them both. Unless the battery is dead or near dead, I can't think of a reason to worry about it.? Come to think of it, if the battery is low and the ElectroAir is not putting out enough juice, the plane will still start just fine on the left mag if the engine cranks.? Gary ________ I'm the one who posted the info on PM SkyTek incompatibility.Someone on the GG wanted advice on which SkyTek starter to chose. Thiswasn't "told" to me by Electroair personnel, it is found onpage 1.5 of the FAA installation ma nual, revision 7, dated Nov 2012 andis available right now on the ElectroAi r website under "Tech Support". This same warning was also in revision 5 da ted April 2012 pg1.4 and this is the version of the manual that came with m y unit. Thereason for the caveats about the PM starters in ElectroAirinstal lations are very clearly spelled out in that text and should befamiliar to anyone having an ElectroAir ignition installed on a Tiger. I haveone of the PM starters and I'm not about to replace it but I standforewarned of the e ffects of the PM starter/ElectroAir combination ifmy battery is the least b it low. Forewarned is forearmed. However, if I were replacing one of the OE M"boat anchor" starters today I would chose the non-PM version SkyTekoffers and that is what prompted my comment on GG to the guy wantingadvice on whi ch to purchase. Other than changing my starter cable tohigher gauge and simply starting as I have for 18 years on the leftimpulsed coupled mag I haven't had any real problems/changes with mycurrent PM starter ElectroAir combo.? Starting the two Tigers I've owned since 1988 has never been aproblem whether hot or col d, hand propping or starter assisted (OEM orSkyTek). Improved starting capa bility was simply NOT the reason I paidfor the ElectroAir unit installation to begin with. However a completeknowledge of how these STC's interact is important for the pilot on theline and good to know for those in the market for a new starter. Brent Smith N28386/1N1


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    Time: 08:48:24 AM PST US
    From: 923TE <923te@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir
    All I can say is that the LASAR made starting my Tiger very very quick. The T iger came from the factory with the Skytec PM starter. It almost always star ts on the first of three blades passing my view, that is immediately. If I t urn the LASAR off then it starts like it used to within a couple revolutions . Point is, the electronic ignition makes for much less wear and battery dra in on starting so why not use it? The Powerflow guys said their exhaust was not compatible with the LASAR, tha t they had negative feed back from the field that this was based on. I told t hem at the time, about 4 years ago, that I had been flying it that way for a bout 4 years with no problems. I think sometimes these small companies take the easy way out for liability a nd ease of use reasons. On Dec 22, 2012, at 9:50 AM, boxereighty@AOL.COM wrote: FWIW, the ElectroAir installation instructions recommends against any permanent magnet light weight starter and specifies the SkyTek as incompatible with starting with their electronic ignition energized because of the high current draw. The later version is OK but I have the PM version. I just don't get to start with the electronic ignition energized. I kept the impulse mag so starts are just like always. ________ There is a clever saying about telling someone not to do something that can't be done while he's doing it, but it slips my mind. Let's ask Dean and Larry what they think. They both have light weight starters, one 24 volt, one 12 volt. I installed them both. Unless the battery is dead or near dead, I can't think of a reason to worry about it. Come to think of it, if the battery is low and the ElectroAir is not putting out enough juice, the plane will still start just fine on the left mag if the engine cranks. Gary ________ I'm the one who posted the info on PM SkyTek incompatibility. Someone on the GG wanted advice on which SkyTek starter to chose. This wasn't "told" to me by Electroair personnel, it is found on page 1.5 of the FAA installation ma nual, revision 7, dated Nov 2012 and is available right now on the ElectroAi r website under "Tech Support". This same warning was also in revision 5 dat ed April 2012 pg 1.4 and this is the version of the manual that came with my unit. The reason for the caveats about the PM starters in ElectroAir instal lations are very clearly spelled out in that text and should be familiar to a nyone having an ElectroAir ignition installed on a Tiger. I have one of the P M starters and I'm not about to replace it but I stand forewarned of the eff ects of the PM starter/ElectroAir combination if my battery is the least bit low. Forewarned is forearmed. However, if I were replacing one of the OEM " boat anchor" starters today I would chose the non-PM version SkyTek offers a nd that is what prompted my comment on GG to the guy wanting advice on which to purchase. Other than changing my starter cable to higher gauge and simply starting as I have for 18 years on the left impulsed coupled mag I haven't had any real p roblems/changes with my current PM starter ElectroAir combo. Starting the t wo Tigers I've owned since 1988 has never been a problem whether hot or cold , hand propping or starter assisted (OEM or SkyTek). Improved starting capab ility was simply NOT the reason I paid for the ElectroAir unit installation t o begin with. However a complete knowledge of how these STC's interact is im portant for the pilot on the line and good to know for those in the market f or a new starter. Brent Smith N28386/1N1 ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ========


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    Time: 10:48:11 AM PST US
    From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir
    Thanks for writing Brent. -=0A=0AThe first plane I did was a 77 Tiger wit h the PM starter. -I was amazed how easily it started on both mags. -Li ke starting a car. -The only problem we encountered was not using a separ ate switch to turn the ignition on or off. -Dean and I talked about insta lling two separate mag switches like on a Citabria. -He may have already done that. -=0A=0AIt's a neat system. -I just wish they had incorporate d the manifold pressure unit into the main unit. -Save a bunch of wiring. =0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "boxereighty@A OL.COM" <boxereighty@AOL.COM>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:50 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Incom patibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFWIW, the ElectroAir installation instructions recommends against any =0Apermanent magnet light weight starter and specifies the SkyTek as =0Aincompatible with starting w ith their electronic ignition energized because =0Aof the high current draw . The later version is OK but I have the PM version. =0AI just don't get to start with the electronic ignition energized. I kept the =0Aimpulse mag so starts are just like=0Aalways.=0A=0A________=0A=0A=0AThere is a clever say ing about telling someone not to do something that =0Acan't be done while h e's doing it, but it slips my mind.- =0A=0ALet's ask Dean and Larry what they think.- They both have light weight =0Astarters, one 24 volt, one 12 volt.- I installed them both. =0A=0AUnless the battery is dead or near d ead, I can't think of a reason to worry =0Aabout it.- Come to think of it , if the battery is low and the ElectroAir is =0Anot putting out enough jui ce, the plane will still start just fine on the =0Aleft mag if the engine c ranks.- =0A=0AGary =0A=0A________ =0A=0A=0AI'm the one who posted the inf o on PM SkyTek incompatibility.=0ASomeone on the GG wanted advice on which SkyTek starter to chose. This=0Awasn't "told" to me by Electroair personnel , it is found on=0Apage 1.5 of the FAA installation manual, revision 7, dat ed Nov 2012 and=0Ais available right now on the ElectroAir website under "T ech Support". This same warning was also in revision 5 dated April 2012 pg =0A1.4 and this is the version of the manual that came with my unit. The=0A reason for the caveats about the PM starters in ElectroAir=0Ainstallations are very clearly spelled out in that text and should be=0Afamiliar to anyon e having an ElectroAir ignition installed on a Tiger. I have=0Aone of the P M starters and I'm not about to replace it but I stand=0Aforewarned of the effects of the PM starter/ElectroAir combination if=0Amy battery is the lea st bit low. Forewarned is forearmed. However, if I were replacing one of th e OEM=0A"boat anchor" starters today I would chose the non-PM version SkyTe k=0Aoffers and that is what prompted my comment on GG to the guy wanting=0A advice on which to purchase. =0A=0AOther than changing my starter cable to =0Ahigher gauge and simply starting as I have for 18 years on the left=0Aim pulsed coupled mag I haven't had any real problems/changes with my=0Acurren t PM starter ElectroAir combo.- Starting the two Tigers I've owned since 1988 has never been a=0Aproblem whether hot or cold, hand propping or start er assisted (OEM or=0ASkyTek). Improved starting capability was simply NOT the reason I paid=0Afor the ElectroAir unit installation to begin with. How ever a complete=0Aknowledge of how these STC's interact is important for th e pilot on the=0Aline and good to know for those in the market for a new st =====


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    Time: 10:52:10 AM PST US
    From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir
    Oh, and I would like the EA ignition to have a usable RPM signal. -=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0A From: "boxereighty@AOL.COM" <boxerei ghty@AOL.COM>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, Decem ber 22, 2012 7:50 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Incompatibility of Sk ytec PM with ElectroAir=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFWIW, the ElectroAir installation in structions recommends against any =0Apermanent magnet light weight starter and specifies the SkyTek as =0Aincompatible with starting with their electr onic ignition energized because =0Aof the high current draw. The later vers ion is OK but I have the PM version. =0AI just don't get to start with the electronic ignition energized. I kept the =0Aimpulse mag so starts are just like=0Aalways.=0A=0A________=0A=0A=0AThere is a clever saying about tellin g someone not to do something that =0Acan't be done while he's doing it, bu t it slips my mind.- =0A=0ALet's ask Dean and Larry what they think.- T hey both have light weight =0Astarters, one 24 volt, one 12 volt.- I inst alled them both. =0A=0AUnless the battery is dead or near dead, I can't thi nk of a reason to worry =0Aabout it.- Come to think of it, if the battery is low and the ElectroAir is =0Anot putting out enough juice, the plane wi ll still start just fine on the =0Aleft mag if the engine cranks.- =0A=0A Gary =0A=0A________ =0A=0A=0AI'm the one who posted the info on PM SkyTek i ncompatibility.=0ASomeone on the GG wanted advice on which SkyTek starter t o chose. This=0Awasn't "told" to me by Electroair personnel, it is found on =0Apage 1.5 of the FAA installation manual, revision 7, dated Nov 2012 and =0Ais available right now on the ElectroAir website under "Tech Support". T his same warning was also in revision 5 dated April 2012 pg=0A1.4 and this is the version of the manual that came with my unit. The=0Areason for the c aveats about the PM starters in ElectroAir=0Ainstallations are very clearly spelled out in that text and should be=0Afamiliar to anyone having an Elec troAir ignition installed on a Tiger. I have=0Aone of the PM starters and I 'm not about to replace it but I stand=0Aforewarned of the effects of the P M starter/ElectroAir combination if=0Amy battery is the least bit low. Fore warned is forearmed. However, if I were replacing one of the OEM=0A"boat an chor" starters today I would chose the non-PM version SkyTek=0Aoffers and t hat is what prompted my comment on GG to the guy wanting=0Aadvice on which to purchase. =0A=0AOther than changing my starter cable to=0Ahigher gauge a nd simply starting as I have for 18 years on the left=0Aimpulsed coupled ma g I haven't had any real problems/changes with my=0Acurrent PM starter Elec troAir combo.- Starting the two Tigers I've owned since 1988 has never be en a=0Aproblem whether hot or cold, hand propping or starter assisted (OEM or=0ASkyTek). Improved starting capability was simply NOT the reason I paid =0Afor the ElectroAir unit installation to begin with. However a complete =0Aknowledge of how these STC's interact is important for the pilot on the =0Aline and good to know for those in the market for a new starter.=0A=0ABr


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    Time: 11:32:36 AM PST US
    From: 923TE <923te@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir
    Is this it? =9CPeople who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.=9D - George Bernard Shaw From http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/5217.George_Bernard_Shaw Or from Old Chinese Proverb according to: http://paws.kettering.edu/~jhuggins/humor/quotes.html On Dec 21, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote: There is a clever saying about telling someone not to do something that can' t be done while he's doing it, but it slips my mind. Let's ask Dean and Larry what they think. They both have light weight start ers, one 24 volt, one 12 volt. I installed them both. Unless the battery is dead or near dead, I can't think of a reason to worry a bout it. Come to think of it, if the battery is low and the ElectroAir is n ot putting out enough juice, the plane will still start just fine on the lef t mag if the engine cranks. Gary From: "923te@att.net" <923te@att.net> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:45 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir Gary, This was posted on the other list by a fellow Tiger owner. What do you think about what they told him? Ned FWIW, the ElectroAir installation instructions recommends against any perman ent magnet light weight starter and specifies the SkyTek as incompatible wit h starting with their electronic ignition energized because of the high curr ent draw. The later version is OK but I have the PM version. I just don't ge t to start with the electronic ignition energized. I kept the impulse mag so starts are just like always on the Left mag and turn on the electronic afte r startup. ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================= _ ========================== ========================== ====


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    Time: 04:36:24 PM PST US
    From: "Dean White" <dmwhite@e3ra.com>
    Subject: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir
    I am still working on this with Mike K at Electroair. From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir Oh, and I would like the EA ignition to have a usable RPM signal. _____ From: "boxereighty@AOL.COM" <boxereighty@AOL.COM> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir FWIW, the ElectroAir installation instructions recommends against any permanent magnet light weight starter and specifies the SkyTek as incompatible with starting with their electronic ignition energized because of the high current draw. The later version is OK but I have the PM version. I just don't get to start with the electronic ignition energized. I kept the impulse mag so starts are just like always. ________ There is a clever saying about telling someone not to do something that can't be done while he's doing it, but it slips my mind. Let's ask Dean and Larry what they think. They both have light weight starters, one 24 volt, one 12 volt. I installed them both. Unless the battery is dead or near dead, I can't think of a reason to worry about it. Come to think of it, if the battery is low and the ElectroAir is not putting out enough juice, the plane will still start just fine on the left mag if the engine cranks. Gary ________ I'm the one who posted the info on PM SkyTek incompatibility. Someone on the GG wanted advice on which SkyTek starter to chose. This wasn't "told" to me by Electroair personnel, it is found on page 1.5 of the FAA installation manual, revision 7, dated Nov 2012 and is available right now on the ElectroAir website under "Tech Support". This same warning was also in revision 5 dated April 2012 pg 1.4 and this is the version of the manual that came with my unit. The reason for the caveats about the PM starters in ElectroAir installations are very clearly spelled out in that text and should be familiar to anyone having an ElectroAir ignition installed on a Tiger. I have one of the PM starters and I'm not about to replace it but I stand forewarned of the effects of the PM starter/ElectroAir combination if my battery is the least bit low. Forewarned is forearmed. However, if I were replacing one of the OEM "boat anchor" starters today I would chose the non-PM version SkyTek offers and that is what prompted my comment on GG to the guy wanting advice on which to purchase. Other than changing my starter cable to higher gauge and simply starting as I have for 18 years on the left impulsed coupled mag I haven't had any real problems/changes with my current PM starter ElectroAir combo. Starting the two Tigers I've owned since 1988 has never been a problem whether hot or cold, hand propping or starter assisted (OEM or SkyTek). Improved starting capability was simply NOT the reason I paid for the ElectroAir unit installation to begin with. However a complete knowledge of how these STC's interact is important for the pilot on the line and good to know for those in the market for a new starter. Brent Smith N28386/1N1 wwwlow" target="_blank" href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersb==================


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    Time: 05:14:59 PM PST US
    From: 923TE <923te@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir
    I had to change to a Electronics International Tach for the LASAR. EI modifi es their tach to pick up the signal put out by the LASAR Maybe theirs would work with the EA? On Dec 22, 2012, at 6:35 PM, "Dean White" <dmwhite@e3ra.com> wrote: I am still working on this with Mike K at Electroair. From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman- list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir Oh, and I would like the EA ignition to have a usable RPM signal. From: "boxereighty@AOL.COM" <boxereighty@AOL.COM> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir FWIW, the ElectroAir installation instructions recommends against any permanent magnet light weight starter and specifies the SkyTek as incompatible with starting with their electronic ignition energized because of the high current draw. The later version is OK but I have the PM version. I just don't get to start with the electronic ignition energized. I kept the impulse mag so starts are just like always. ________ There is a clever saying about telling someone not to do something that can't be done while he's doing it, but it slips my mind. Let's ask Dean and Larry what they think. They both have light weight starters, one 24 volt, one 12 volt. I installed them both. Unless the battery is dead or near dead, I can't think of a reason to worry about it. Come to think of it, if the battery is low and the ElectroAir is not putting out enough juice, the plane will still start just fine on the left mag if the engine cranks. Gary ________ I'm the one who posted the info on PM SkyTek incompatibility. Someone on the GG wanted advice on which SkyTek starter to chose. This wasn't "told" to me by Electroair personnel, it is found on page 1.5 of the FAA installation ma nual, revision 7, dated Nov 2012 and is available right now on the ElectroAi r website under "Tech Support". This same warning was also in revision 5 dat ed April 2012 pg 1.4 and this is the version of the manual that came with my unit. The reason for the caveats about the PM starters in ElectroAir instal lations are very clearly spelled out in that text and should be familiar to a nyone having an ElectroAir ignition installed on a Tiger. I have one of the P M starters and I'm not about to replace it but I stand forewarned of the eff ects of the PM starter/ElectroAir combination if my battery is the least bit low. Forewarned is forearmed. However, if I were replacing one of the OEM " boat anchor" starters today I would chose the non-PM version SkyTek offers a nd that is what prompted my comment on GG to the guy wanting advice on which to purchase. Other than changing my starter cable to higher gauge and simply starting as I have for 18 years on the left impulsed coupled mag I haven't had any real p roblems/changes with my current PM starter ElectroAir combo. Starting the t wo Tigers I've owned since 1988 has never been a problem whether hot or cold , hand propping or starter assisted (OEM or SkyTek). Improved starting capab ility was simply NOT the reason I paid for the ElectroAir unit installation t o begin with. However a complete knowledge of how these STC's interact is im portant for the pilot on the line and good to know for those in the market f or a new starter. Brent Smith N28386/1N1 wwwlow" target="_blank" href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.builder sb================== www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://forums.matronics.com ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ========


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    Time: 06:19:54 PM PST US
    From: "Dean White" <dmwhite@e3ra.com>
    Subject: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir
    The stock Electroair unit puts out a square wave that many electronic tachs can process. However, the Horizon P1000 is looking for the induced spike on the P-lead. So we are looking at modifying the output from the Electroair to mimic the induced spike. I don't think that it is a super high priority for Mike but hopefully one that will get done soon. Unfortunately, the Horizon guys have been unwilling to tell us the amplitude and duration of the spike their unit needs to trigger the RPM count. From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 923TE Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir I had to change to a Electronics International Tach for the LASAR. EI modifies their tach to pick up the signal put out by the LASAR Maybe theirs would work with the EA? On Dec 22, 2012, at 6:35 PM, "Dean White" <dmwhite@e3ra.com> wrote: I am still working on this with Mike K at Electroair. From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir Oh, and I would like the EA ignition to have a usable RPM signal. _____ From: "boxereighty@AOL.COM" <boxereighty@AOL.COM> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Incompatibility of Skytec PM with ElectroAir FWIW, the ElectroAir installation instructions recommends against any permanent magnet light weight starter and specifies the SkyTek as incompatible with starting with their electronic ignition energized because of the high current draw. The later version is OK but I have the PM version. I just don't get to start with the electronic ignition energized. I kept the impulse mag so starts are just like always. ________ There is a clever saying about telling someone not to do something that can't be done while he's doing it, but it slips my mind. Let's ask Dean and Larry what they think. They both have light weight starters, one 24 volt, one 12 volt. I installed them both. Unless the battery is dead or near dead, I can't think of a reason to worry about it. Come to think of it, if the battery is low and the ElectroAir is not putting out enough juice, the plane will still start just fine on the left mag if the engine cranks. Gary ________ I'm the one who posted the info on PM SkyTek incompatibility. Someone on the GG wanted advice on which SkyTek starter to chose. This wasn't "told" to me by Electroair personnel, it is found on page 1.5 of the FAA installation manual, revision 7, dated Nov 2012 and is available right now on the ElectroAir website under "Tech Support". This same warning was also in revision 5 dated April 2012 pg 1.4 and this is the version of the manual that came with my unit. The reason for the caveats about the PM starters in ElectroAir installations are very clearly spelled out in that text and should be familiar to anyone having an ElectroAir ignition installed on a Tiger. I have one of the PM starters and I'm not about to replace it but I stand forewarned of the effects of the PM starter/ElectroAir combination if my battery is the least bit low. Forewarned is forearmed. However, if I were replacing one of the OEM "boat anchor" starters today I would chose the non-PM version SkyTek offers and that is what prompted my comment on GG to the guy wanting advice on which to purchase. Other than changing my starter cable to higher gauge and simply starting as I have for 18 years on the left impulsed coupled mag I haven't had any real problems/changes with my current PM starter ElectroAir combo. Starting the two Tigers I've owned since 1988 has never been a problem whether hot or cold, hand propping or starter assisted (OEM or SkyTek). Improved starting capability was simply NOT the reason I paid for the ElectroAir unit installation to begin with. However a complete knowledge of how these STC's interact is important for the pilot on the line and good to know for those in the market for a new starter. Brent Smith N28386/1N1 wwwlow" target="_blank" href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersb======= =========== www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://forums.matronics.com ========= ctric.com >www.buildersbooks.com uilthelp.com matronics.com/contribution ========= t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ========= cs.com =========




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