---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/18/13: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:45 AM - Re: Re-bonding a windshield (George Douglas) 2. 09:53 AM - 406 MHz ELT (busdriver) 3. 09:55 AM - Re: Re-bonding a windshield (Gary L Vogt) 4. 10:39 AM - Re: 406 MHz ELT (Gary L Vogt) 5. 03:03 PM - Re: 406 MHz ELT (busdriver) 6. 08:20 PM - Re: 406 MHz ELT (Jim Parker) 7. 10:20 PM - Rudder springs (Gary L Vogt) 8. 10:28 PM - Re: Re: 406 MHz ELT (Gary L Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:52 AM PST US From: "George Douglas" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re-bonding a windshield Thanks, that is what I planned to use, but just checking to see if you came up with anything different. Best Regards, George Douglas Amsoil Distributor office 407-856-1564 toll free 800-887-6698 cell 321-663-5391 www.oilhelp.com From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:56 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re-bonding a windshield On this plane, I will likely use the strip caulk like the original installation. I've seen a lot of RTV around the base of the windshield. Corrosion will start under RTV if used to seal the windshield to the boot cowl (windshield coving). Gary Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:13 PM, "George Douglas" wrote: Gary, I just replaced my W/S in my traveler and was wondering what type of caulk or sealer did you use around the bottom of the window where the sheet metal over lays? I used the RTV like you did and it bond up good. Best Regards, George Douglas Amsoil Distributor office 407-856-1564 toll free 800-887-6698 cell 321-663-5391 www.oilhelp.com From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re-bonding a windshield This was a first. Background: I built a fixture to simulate the installation of the windshield. I use large area washers under the windshield to maintain a uniform .020 to .025 inches of clearance between the bow and the windshield. Each of the washers is located at the screw holes normally used to the double-bead seal in place. When installing the clamps, I only clamp until I barely see the washer through the windshield; that way, I know the gap at the front of the bow is about .020 inches. This method works really well. Note: the pics show the fixture in 2006. It's undergone a major upgrade since then. .... I had a customer come in that had a fairly new windshield, in pretty good shape, but it was completely debonded. I said I could re-bond it. I'd never re-bonded a windshield in the past. But, how hard could it be???? Right? During the pre-fitting process, it was obvious I couldn't use the edge of the windshield to hold it away from the bow. Whoever had installed the windshield didn't trim to fit on the bow. The edge was anything but even with the bow. The holes on the lower corners had bee drilled twice. Once before installation, once, apparently, after the windshield was on the bow. The edge along the bottom is very close to the holes as well. So, I was able to use some tiny spacers (between the windshield and bow) at the front where the windshield was even with the bow and at the bottom corners under the windshield. What to do about the corners? The corners measured between 0 and .010 inches with the windshield in place. Solution: I drilled and tapped three #6 holes on the left and one #6 hole on the right. I installed small #6 screws in the holes and screwed them in until I got the .020 to .025 inches in the corners. While installing the windshield, I only had to press on the windshield with my hand to get contact with the screws. So far, it looks great. When I remove the screws, I'll put some RTV in the holes. Oh, yea, I prefer the old 732 RTV and 1220/1205 process. Gary ========= t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:29 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 406 MHz ELT From: "busdriver" I have a 2001 AG5B Tiger and want to upgrade to the 406 MHz ELT. If anyone has already done this, where did you mount your antenna? Thanks, Curt Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398895#398895 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:50 AM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re-bonding a windshield The strip caulk gets dry and then it leaks. -I've had the canopy bow seal on my plane for 9 years. -No leaks. -Looks good. -I'll take a pictur e today. -It's a little more work and you'll need to compensate a little on the install of the windshield to the bow. -1/8 inch is fine. -The on ly trouble I've had is the seal working loose if the surface isn't cleaned really well on both the windshield and the seal. -I use DAP Weldwood cont act cement.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: George Dougla s =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursd ay, April 18, 2013 4:45 AM=0ASubject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re-bonding a wi ndshield=0A =0A=0A=0AThanks, that is what I planned to use, but just checki ng to see if you came up with anything different.=0A-=0ABest Regards,=0A =0AGeorge Douglas=0AAmsoil Distributor=0Aoffice 407-856-1564=0Atoll free 80 0-887-6698=0Acell 321-663-5391=0Awww.oilhelp.com =0A-=0AFrom:owner-teamgr umman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt=0ASent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:56 AM =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re-b onding a windshield=0A-=0AOn this plane, I will likely use the strip caul k like the original installation. I've seen a lot of RTV around the base of the windshield. - Corrosion will start under RTV if used to seal the win dshield to the boot cowl (windshield coving). -=0AGary=0ASent from my iPa d=0A=0AOn Apr 17, 2013, at 7:13 PM, "George Douglas" w rote:=0AGary, I just replaced my W/S in my traveler and was wondering what type of caulk or sealer did you use around the bottom of the window where t he sheet metal over lays? I used the RTV like you did and it bond up good. - -=0A>-=0A>Best Regards,=0A>=0A>George Douglas=0A>Amsoil Distributor =0A>office 407-856-1564=0A>toll free 800-887-6698=0A>cell 321-663-5391=0A>w ww.oilhelp.com =0A>-=0A>From:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vo gt=0A>Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:58 PM=0A>To: Teamgrumman List=0A>Su bject: TeamGrumman-List: Re-bonding a windshield=0A>-=0A>This was a first . -=0A>-=0A>Background: -I built a fixture to simulate the installati on of the windshield. -I use large area washers under the windshield to m aintain a uniform .020 to .025 inches of clearance between the bow and the windshield. -Each of the washers is located at the screw holes normally u sed to the double-bead seal in place. -When installing the clamps, I only clamp until I barely see the washer through the windshield; that way, I kn ow the gap at the front of the bow is about .020 inches. -This method wor ks really well. -=0A>-=0A>Note: -the pics show the fixture in 2006. -It's undergone a major upgrade since then.=0A>-=0A>.... I had a custom er come in that had a fairly new windshield, in pretty good shape, but it w as completely debonded. -I said I could re-bond it. -I'd never re-bonde d a windshield in the past. But, how hard could it be???? -Right?=0A>- =0A>During the pre-fitting process, it was obvious I couldn't use the edge of the windshield to hold it away from the bow. -Whoever had installed th e windshield didn't trim to fit on the bow. -The edge was anything but ev en with the bow. -The holes on the lower corners had bee drilled twice. -Once before installation, once, apparently, after the windshield was on the bow. -The edge along the bottom is very close to the holes as well. -=0A>-=0A>So, I was able to use some tiny spacers (between the windshie ld and bow) at the front where the windshield was even with the bow and at the bottom corners under the windshield. -What to do about the corners? -The corners measured between 0 and .010 inches with the windshield in pl ace. -=0A>-=0A>Solution: -I drilled and tapped three #6 holes on the left and one #6 hole on the right. I installed small #6 screws in the holes and screwed them in until I got the .020 to .025 inches in the corners. -While installing the windshield, I only had to press on the windshield w ith my hand to get contact with the screws. -So far, it looks great. - =0A>-=0A>When I remove the screws, I'll put some RTV in the holes.=0A>- =0A>Oh, yea, I prefer the old 732 RTV and 1220/1205 process.=0A>-=0A>Gary =0A>-=0A>-=0A>=================== =================0A>t">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0A>============= =======================0A>cs.co m=0A>======================= =============0A>matronics.com/contribution=0A>= ==========0A>-=0A-=0A-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/N avigator?TeamGrumman-List=0A< --------------- M ATRONICS WEB FORUMS Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A< ----------- List Con ============== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:08 AM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 406 MHz ELT The antenna is the biggest reason I have jumped on the 406 bandwagon. -Th e antenna should be shorter but it isn't. -=0AOn 28747, I have both Com a ntennas AND the ELT antenna inside the dorsal fin. -Never had a problem w ith cross talk. -The ELT antenna lays forward. -The tip of the ELT is c lose to the tip of the Com 2 antenna. -No radiation at the tip so no bigg y. -=0A=0AIf the 406 antenna would fit inside the dorsal along with my tw o Com antennas, I'd get one. -Still waiting.=0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0A From: busdriver =0ATo: team grumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:53 AM=0ASubj ect: TeamGrumman-List: 406 MHz ELT=0A =0A=0A--> TeamGrumman-List message po sted by: "busdriver" =0A=0AI have a 2001 AG5B Tiger a nd want to upgrade to the 406 MHz ELT.- If anyone has already done this, where did you mount your antenna?- Thanks, Curt=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this t opic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398895 = ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:48 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: 406 MHz ELT From: "busdriver" Thank you Gary. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398913#398913 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:44 PM PST US From: Jim Parker Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 406 MHz ELT The one on my plane is mounted under the dorsal fin, sticking out through a very small hole. I've never had any problems with VHF interference, nor with GPS interference. (GPS is mounted behind the cabin, aft of the "in-flight open" position of the canopy. Jim Parker Sent from my iPad Mini On Apr 18, 2013, at 11:53 AM, "busdriver" wrote: > > I have a 2001 AG5B Tiger and want to upgrade to the 406 MHz ELT. If anyone has already done this, where did you mount your antenna? Thanks, Curt > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398895#398895 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:53 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Rudder springs I've heard a lot of different way of changing rudder springs. -My favorit e is wedging washers in the coils. -I laugh every time I read that one. -What a waste of time and . . . - I won't say what I really think.=0A =0AMy motto is: work smarter, not harder.=0A=0ASee the pics of how I do it. -You can do both springs with just one seat out. -Obviously, it's easi er to do with both seats out. -The bungie cords remove ALL of the tension on the spring you want to change. -=0A=0AAll you need are three bungie c ords and some vice grips. -Use the vise grips to remove the old one. -Y ou'll figure it out. -The new ones pop back on in seconds. -Both spring s can be changed in about 10 to 15 minutes (after the seats are out and onc e you get started.)=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:20 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: 406 MHz ELT You're welcome. -Anytime.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro m: busdriver =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:03 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: lmiller@netzero.net>=0A=0AThank you Gary.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onl ine here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398913#398913 = ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.