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1. 12:32 PM - Cheetah to Tiger. (Gary L Vogt)
2. 06:21 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (Airport Bum)
3. 07:21 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (923te@att.net)
4. 07:38 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (Airport Bum)
5. 07:38 PM - Tiger. (Airport Bum)
6. 07:53 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (923TE)
7. 07:58 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (923TE)
8. 08:24 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (Gary L Vogt)
9. 08:28 PM - Re: Tiger. (Gary L Vogt)
10. 08:32 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (Airport Bum)
11. 08:35 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (Gary L Vogt)
12. 08:41 PM - Re: Tiger. (923TE)
13. 10:10 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (n32romeo@AOL.COM)
14. 11:46 PM - Re: Tiger. (Gary L Vogt)
15. 11:51 PM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (Gary L Vogt)
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| Subject: | Cheetah to Tiger. |
Plus, I have an EI EC-1 for sale. -no probes. -It's yours for $30 (incl
udes shipping)
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
Looks good. Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more th
an black? Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get scratche
d up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled?
Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?
Kevin
On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Plus, I have an EI EC-1 for sale. no probes. It's yours for $30 (include
s shipping)
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
If my "strut mount" were painted on the inside then the strut would NOT fit i
nto it. It's that close. AS I Recall, The maintenance manual says to spray i
t with zinc chromate and assemble wet....
Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....
I'm lucky with WD40 or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal.....
On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
Looks good. Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more th
an black? Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get scratche
d up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled?
Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?
Kevin
On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Plus, I have an EI EC-1 for sale. no probes. It's yours for $30 (include
s shipping)
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
Your right about the painting the inside, I was just referring to the outsid
e. The white is such high contrast that it will look worn because the surfa
ce rust will show more than if it was black. The paint will be damaged the f
irst time the strut is serviced. Everything is so clean and new looking, th
at it would be a shame to see the rust around the bolts after the strut is s
erviced. It's good to see another clean firewall on an old plane.
Kevin
On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:21 PM, 923te@att.net wrote:
> If my "strut mount" were painted on the inside then the strut would NOT fi
t into it. It's that close. AS I Recall, The maintenance manual says to spra
y it with zinc chromate and assemble wet....
> Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....
> I'm lucky with WD40 or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal.....
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Looks good. Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more t
han black? Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get scratch
ed up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled?
>
> Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?
>
> Kevin
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Kevin
On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:21 PM, 923te@att.net wrote:
> If my "strut mount" were painted on the inside then the strut would NOT fi
t into it. It's that close. AS I Recall, The maintenance manual says to spra
y it with zinc chromate and assemble wet....
> Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....
> I'm lucky with WD40 or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal.....
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Looks good. Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more t
han black? Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get scratch
ed up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled?
>
> Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?
>
> Kevin
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
None a that shows outside the cowl.
Mine's white as a cracka and I see no rusty spots;)
But I have repainted it once since I bought it.
It's really really really hard steel and that gives you some time to fix it i
f before it goes beyond the surface if you see it rusten
I had an occasion to try and straighten out the factory bend once.
I think it was about 20 tons we put on the strut. We drew an outline on the f
loor before and placed the strut back into the outline after pressing it. We
gained no visible change....
Anyway, Gary shoots the real Emron and its also really really hard so it pro
bably ain't chipping off....it sure was hard sanding that Emron off the insi
de of my Jag owl...
On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
Your right about the painting the inside, I was just referring to the outsid
e. The white is such high contrast that it will look worn because the surfa
ce rust will show more than if it was black. The paint will be damaged the f
irst time the strut is serviced. Everything is so clean and new looking, th
at it would be a shame to see the rust around the bolts after the strut is s
erviced. It's good to see another clean firewall on an old plane.
Kevin
On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:21 PM, 923te@att.net wrote:
> If my "strut mount" were painted on the inside then the strut would NOT fi
t into it. It's that close. AS I Recall, The maintenance manual says to spra
y it with zinc chromate and assemble wet....
> Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....
> I'm lucky with WD40 or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal.....
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Looks good. Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more t
han black? Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get scratch
ed up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled?
>
> Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?
>
> Kevin
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Plus, I have an EI EC-1 for sale. no probes. It's yours for $30 (includ
es shipping)
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
One thing I learned the hard way was don't chrome it...
It sure looks purty tho...
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
Kevin,=0A=0AIf you are referring to the tube the nose strut goes into, ther
e is a bracket over it that holds the shocks. -I had that powder coated.
-Plus, I'm not a big believer in removing the strut each year. -On plan
es parked near the coast, I remove them every 4 years. -On planes parked
on the desert, every 7 or 8 years is plenty. -Removing the strut every ye
ar would cause more damage than necessary and serves no real purpose.=0A=0A
Gary=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Airport Bum <aa5_dri
ver@yahoo.com>=0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@mat
ronics.com> =0ASent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:21 PM=0ASubject: Re: Team
Grumman-List: Cheetah to Tiger.=0A =0A=0A=0ALooks good. -Do you think the
strut mount being white will show rust more than black? -Figuring that i
f it is removed every annual, it will get scratched up a bit from the nuts
and bolts being removed and reinstalled? --=0A=0ADid you require it as
well, or is that the old harness?=0A=0AKevin=0A=0AOn Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28
PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0APlus, I have an EI E
C-1 for sale. -no probes. -It's yours for $30 (includes shipping)=0A<IM
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Oh, I missed part of your question. -All of the wiring was replaced. -T
he old plastic stuff was really dry and brittle. -I joined old to the new
wire and then pulled the new through the harness with the old. -New tefl
on wire is a lot skinnier. -It pulls pretty easily. -Takes two people t
hough. -=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Airport Bum <a
a5_driver@yahoo.com>=0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-li
st@matronics.com> =0ASent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:38 PM=0ASubject: Te
amGrumman-List: Tiger.=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AKevin=0A=0AOn Aug 28, 2013, at 9:2
1 PM, 923te@att.net wrote:=0A=0A=0AIf my "strut mount" were painted on the
inside then the strut would NOT fit into it. It's that close. AS I Recall,
The maintenance manual says to spray it with zinc chromate and assemble wet
....=0A>Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....=0A>I'm lucky with WD40
or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal.....=0A>=0A>On Aug 28, 2
013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Looks
good. -Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more than
black? -Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get scratch
ed up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled? --
=0A>=0A>=0A>Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?=0A>=0A>
Kevin=0A>=0A>On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.co
m> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Plus, I have an EI EC-1 for sale. -no probes. -It'
s yours for $30 (includes shipping)=0A><IMG_3582.JPG>=0A><IMG_3604.JPG>=0A>
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
Agreed.
Kevin
On Aug 28, 2013, at 10:24 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> If you are referring to the tube the nose strut goes into, there is a brac
ket over it that holds the shocks. I had that powder coated. Plus, I'm not
a big believer in removing the strut each year. On planes parked near the c
oast, I remove them every 4 years. On planes parked on the desert, every 7 o
r 8 years is plenty. Removing the strut every year would cause more damage t
han necessary and serves no real purpose.
>
> Gary
>
> From: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
> To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cheetah to Tiger.
>
> Looks good. Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more t
han black? Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get scratch
ed up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled?
>
> Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?
>
> Kevin
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Plus, I have an EI EC-1 for sale. no probes. It's yours for $30 (includ
es shipping)
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
Regarding any rust: -=0A=0AIt would be virtually impossible for the surfa
ce of any of this to rust. -It was stripped, sanded, etched with rust con
verter, stripped and sanded again, painted with DuPont 22860 etch primer, p
ainted with Dupont V-2910 direct to metal epoxy primer, then painted with I
mron. -=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Airport Bum <aa
5_driver@yahoo.com>=0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-lis
t@matronics.com> =0ASent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:37 PM=0ASubject: Re:
TeamGrumman-List: Cheetah to Tiger.=0A =0A=0A=0AYour right about the paint
ing the inside, I was just referring to the outside. -The white is such h
igh contrast that it will look worn because the surface rust will show more
than if it was black. -The paint will be damaged the first time the stru
t is serviced. -Everything is so clean and new looking, that it would be
a shame to see the rust around the bolts after the strut is serviced. -It
's good to see another clean firewall on an old plane. -=0A=0AKevin=0A=0A
On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:21 PM, 923te@att.net wrote:=0A=0A=0AIf my "strut moun
t" were painted on the inside then the strut would NOT fit into it. It's th
at close. AS I Recall, The maintenance manual says to spray it with zinc ch
romate and assemble wet....=0A>Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....
=0A>I'm lucky with WD40 or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal..
...=0A>=0A>On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Looks good. -Do you think the strut mount being white w
ill show rust more than black? -Figuring that if it is removed every annu
al, it will get scratched up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed an
d reinstalled? --=0A>=0A>=0A>Did you require it as well, or is that the
old harness?=0A>=0A>Kevin=0A>=0A>On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt
<teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Plus, I have an EI EC-1 for sale.
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Gary,
What a great idea.
How did that occur to you to do that?
Was that from upgrading rockets or from rewiring a Corvair for aV8?
On Aug 28, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Oh, I missed part of your question. All of the wiring was replaced. The ol
d plastic stuff was really dry and brittle. I joined old to the new wire an
d then pulled the new through the harness with the old. New teflon wire is a
lot skinnier. It pulls pretty easily. Takes two people though.
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
I pull the nose strut when I start getting a lot of nicks and scratches on
the strut. This is somewhere every 2 - 4 years. I strip and repaint the s
trut. I clean and tape off the part that goes into the receptacle for the
nose torque tube. I made the mistake of trying to paint the entire strut t
he only first time. I reassemble with LPS-3 and a silicon bead seal. Neve
r had a corrosion issue, or have trouble getting it apart.
Rich Harrison
AA-1B N1632Romeo
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Call it, necessity is the mother of invention.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:41 PM, 923TE <923te@att.net> wrote:
> Gary,
> What a great idea.
> How did that occur to you to do that?
> Was that from upgrading rockets or from rewiring a Corvair for aV8?
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, I missed part of your question. All of the wiring was replaced. The o
ld plastic stuff was really dry and brittle. I joined old to the new wire a
nd then pulled the new through the harness with the old. New teflon wire is
a lot skinnier. It pulls pretty easily. Takes two people though.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
If you paint it with a polyurethane paint, it's good for 10+ years.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 28, 2013, at 10:10 PM, n32romeo@AOL.COM wrote:
> I pull the nose strut when I start getting a lot of nicks and scratches on
the strut. This is somewhere every 2 - 4 years. I strip and repaint the s
trut. I clean and tape off the part that goes into the receptacle for the n
ose torque tube. I made the mistake of trying to paint the entire strut the
only first time. I reassemble with LPS-3 and a silicon bead seal. Never h
ad a corrosion issue, or have trouble getting it apart.
> Rich Harrison
> AA-1B N1632Romeo
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