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1. 05:27 AM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (FLYaDIVE)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (Airport Bum)
3. 11:31 AM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (Gary L Vogt)
4. 11:34 AM - Re: Cheetah to Tiger. (Gary L Vogt)
5. 11:38 AM - Cheetah to Tiger II (Gary L Vogt)
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
You are correct Ned:-
Years ago when I did my first nose strut R&R I bead blasted the strut and
then gave it a primer coat of zinc chromate (it was available then) all
over. I masked off the insertion portion and painted the top coat. When I
went to install the strut it would NOT fit. Just think, that little bit of
primer - What, 0.003 to 0.005" per side (0.006 to 0.010" diameter increase)
was enough to prevent the sliding tight fit required. Add to that the
extra Wet zinc chromate required for the install... Just would not fit.
And if it did begin to fit, the sliding action would wipe off the wet
coat. Sort of a `defeative` action.
Kevin, I agree with Gary, there is no need to remove the nose strut every
year. Following the Maintenance Manual and 'Suggested' Annual Inspection
List is a great idea. But, just like you have to be smarter than a GPS
(Woman drives car into lake. GPS made me do it.) You have to be smarter
than a Annual Inspection List. Always remember that the Annual Inspection
List was created by a person sitting behind a desk and did not have the
years of practical history in seeing the condition of nose struts that were
NEVER removed in 10, 15, 20 and maybe 30 years. The strut was never
removed on my plane prior to me owning it. I felt it just had to be done,
at least once in its life. Upon removal there was not a speck of rust.
Yes, I have removed it again since the first time - About 8 years between
and guess what! Still No Rust! History has a way of repeating itself,
sometimes for the better... Sometimes!
Barry
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:21 PM, <923te@att.net> wrote:
> If my "strut mount" were painted on the inside then the strut would NOT
> fit into it. It's that close. AS I Recall, The maintenance manual says to
> spray it with zinc chromate and assemble wet....
> Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....
> I'm lucky with WD40 or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal.....
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Looks good. Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more
> than black? Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get
> scratched up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled?
>
> Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?
>
> Kevin
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
Yes, I get the remove as needed. My comment was more about the color than a
nything. Most every white strut I've seen that is not freshly painted has n
icks and chips that show up as rust marks on the high contrast white. While
these same nicks and chips are present on the black struts I've seen, they d
o not stand out nearly as much and therefore don't detract from the appearan
ce as much. Not a big deal, but I feel the plane looks cleaner without the r
ust chips being so obvious. Any color is fine if the owner likes it.
Kevin
On Aug 29, 2013, at 7:27 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are correct Ned:-
>
> Years ago when I did my first nose strut R&R I bead blasted the strut and t
hen gave it a primer coat of zinc chromate (it was available then) all over.
I masked off the insertion portion and painted the top coat. When I went t
o install the strut it would NOT fit. Just think, that little bit of primer
- What, 0.003 to 0.005" per side (0.006 to 0.010" diameter increase) was en
ough to prevent the sliding tight fit required. Add to that the extra Wet z
inc chromate required for the install... Just would not fit. And if it did b
egin to fit, the sliding action would wipe off the wet coat. Sort of a `def
eative` action.
>
> Kevin, I agree with Gary, there is no need to remove the nose strut every y
ear. Following the Maintenance Manual and 'Suggested' Annual Inspection Lis
t is a great idea. But, just like you have to be smarter than a GPS (Woman d
rives car into lake. GPS made me do it.) You have to be smarter than a Annu
al Inspection List. Always remember that the Annual Inspection List was cre
ated by a person sitting behind a desk and did not have the years of practic
al history in seeing the condition of nose struts that were NEVER removed in
10, 15, 20 and maybe 30 years. The strut was never removed on my plane pri
or to me owning it. I felt it just had to be done, at least once in its lif
e. Upon removal there was not a speck of rust. Yes, I have removed it agai
n since the first time - About 8 years between and guess what! Still No Rust
! History has a way of repeating itself, sometimes for the better... Somet
imes!
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:21 PM, <923te@att.net> wrote:
>> If my "strut mount" were painted on the inside then the strut would NOT f
it into it. It's that close. AS I Recall, The maintenance manual says to spr
ay it with zinc chromate and assemble wet....
>> Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....
>> I'm lucky with WD40 or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal....
.
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Looks good. Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more
than black? Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get scrat
ched up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled?
>>
>> Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Plus, I have an EI EC-1 for sale. no probes. It's yours for $30 (inclu
des shipping)
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
Nose strut fit.=0A=0AI use a direct to metal epoxy primer. -Sticks like c
razy. -Then, I use 220 sand paper and sand to fit. -Quite often, it's s
anded down to where I can see through the paint. -Not always. -=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0A From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 5:
27 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cheetah to Tiger.=0A =0A=0A=0AYou ar
e correct Ned:-=0A=0AYears ago when I did my first nose strut R&R I bead bl
asted the strut and then gave it a primer coat of zinc chromate (it was ava
ilable then) all over. -I masked off the insertion portion and painted th
e top coat. -When I went to install the strut it would NOT fit. -Just t
hink, that little bit of primer - What, 0.003 to 0.005" per side (0.006 to
0.010" diameter increase) was enough to prevent the sliding tight fit requi
red. -Add to that the extra Wet zinc chromate required for the install...
Just would not fit. -And if it did begin to fit, the sliding action woul
d wipe off the wet coat. -Sort of a `defeative` action.=0A=0AKevin, I agr
ee with Gary, there is no need to remove the nose strut every year. -Foll
owing the Maintenance Manual and 'Suggested' Annual Inspection List is a gr
eat idea. -But, just like you have to be smarter than a GPS (Woman drives
car into lake. -GPS made me do it.) You have to be smarter than a Annual
Inspection List. -Always remember that the Annual Inspection List was cr
eated by a person sitting behind a desk and did not have the years of pract
ical history in seeing the condition of nose struts that were NEVER removed
in 10, 15, 20 and maybe 30 years. -The strut was never removed on my pla
ne prior to me owning it. -I felt it just had to be done, at least once i
n its life. -Upon removal there was not a speck of rust. -Yes, I have r
emoved it again since the first time - About 8 years between and guess what
! Still No Rust! -History has a way of repeating itself, sometimes for th
e better... -Sometimes! -=0A=0ABarry=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at
10:21 PM, <923te@att.net> wrote:=0A=0AIf my "strut mount" were painted on
the inside then the strut would NOT fit into it. It's that close. AS I Reca
ll, The maintenance manual says to spray it with zinc chromate and assemble
wet....=0A>Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....=0A>I'm lucky with
WD40 or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal.....=0A>=0A>On Aug 2
8, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>L
ooks good. -Do you think the strut mount being white will show rust more
than black? -Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it will get scr
atched up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and reinstalled? -
-=0A>=0A>=0A>Did you require it as well, or is that the old harness?=0A>
=0A>Kevin=0A>=0A>On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yaho
o.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Plus, I have an EI EC-1 for sale. -no probes.
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| Subject: | Re: Cheetah to Tiger. |
In 1985, when I was 'fixing up' my first Cheetah, I painted the nose strut
with Black Durathane. -DU9000. -My thought was, since the main gear fai
rings are black, why not the strut as well? -Been painting with that same
gallon of DU9000 since. -I'm down to may last 1/2 quart.=0A=0A=0A_______
_________________________=0A From: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>=0ATo:
"teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com> =0ASent:
Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:00 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cheetah
to Tiger.=0A =0A=0A=0AYes, I get the remove as needed. -My comment was m
ore about the color than anything. -Most every white strut I've seen that
is not freshly painted has nicks and chips that show up as rust marks on t
he high contrast white. -While these same nicks and chips are present on
the black struts I've seen, they do not stand out nearly as much and theref
ore don't detract from the appearance as much. -Not a big deal, but I fee
l the plane looks cleaner without the rust chips being so obvious. -Any c
olor is fine if the owner likes it.=0A=0AKevin=0A=0AOn Aug 29, 2013, at 7:2
7 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0AYou are correct Ned:-=0A
>=0A>=0A>Years ago when I did my first nose strut R&R I bead blasted the st
rut and then gave it a primer coat of zinc chromate (it was available then)
all over. -I masked off the insertion portion and painted the top coat.
-When I went to install the strut it would NOT fit. -Just think, that l
ittle bit of primer - What, 0.003 to 0.005" per side (0.006 to 0.010" diame
ter increase) was enough to prevent the sliding tight fit required. -Add
to that the extra Wet zinc chromate required for the install... Just would
not fit. -And if it did begin to fit, the sliding action would wipe off t
he wet coat. -Sort of a `defeative` action.=0A>=0A>=0A>Kevin, I agree wit
h Gary, there is no need to remove the nose strut every year. -Following
the Maintenance Manual and 'Suggested' Annual Inspection List is a great id
ea. -But, just like you have to be smarter than a GPS (Woman drives car i
nto lake. -GPS made me do it.) You have to be smarter than a Annual Inspe
ction List. -Always remember that the Annual Inspection List was created
by a person sitting behind a desk and did not have the years of practical h
istory in seeing the condition of nose struts that were NEVER removed in 10
, 15, 20 and maybe 30 years. -The strut was never removed on my plane pri
or to me owning it. -I felt it just had to be done, at least once in its
life. -Upon removal there was not a speck of rust. -Yes, I have removed
it again since the first time - About 8 years between and guess what! Stil
l No Rust! -History has a way of repeating itself, sometimes for the bett
er... -Sometimes! -=0A>=0A>=0A>Barry=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Wed, Aug 28, 201
3 at 10:21 PM, <923te@att.net> wrote:=0A>=0A>If my "strut mount" were paint
ed on the inside then the strut would NOT fit into it. It's that close. AS
I Recall, The maintenance manual says to spray it with zinc chromate and as
semble wet....=0A>>Whoever wrote that never took one apart.....=0A>>I'm luc
ky with WD40 or thread lube or silicone spray on the raw metal.....=0A>>=0A
>>On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A
>>=0A>>=0A>>Looks good. -Do you think the strut mount being white will sh
ow rust more than black? -Figuring that if it is removed every annual, it
will get scratched up a bit from the nuts and bolts being removed and rein
stalled? --=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Did you require it as well, or is that the ol
d harness?=0A>>=0A>>Kevin=0A>>=0A>>On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gary L Vogt
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