---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/29/13: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:28 AM - Re: aileron bracket (Gary L Vogt) 2. 12:57 AM - Re: aileron bracket (grumpyparts) 3. 04:32 AM - Aileron bracket (Ellismcgaughy) 4. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: aileron bracket (Gary L Vogt) 5. 10:44 AM - Re: Aileron bracket (Gary L Vogt) 6. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: aileron bracket (Gary L Vogt) 7. 11:02 AM - A trip for 3 (Gary L Vogt) 8. 11:25 AM - Re: Aileron bracket (Bob Steward) 9. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: aileron bracket (Bob Steward) 10. 01:26 PM - Re: A trip for 3 (Carol Stocker) 11. 07:29 PM - Re: A trip for 3 (Gary L Vogt) 12. 07:46 PM - Re: A trip for 3 (Carol Stocker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: aileron bracket From: Gary L Vogt I didn't. I ordered one from Fletcher. Garner didn't say there weren't any. This is going to suck big time. Gary Sent from my iPad > On Dec 28, 2013, at 8:51 PM, Bob Steward wrote: > > Where did you get a replacement bracket? > There haven't been any new ones in a while, and all the used ones seem to be out-of-round in the bearing collar. > > --Bob Steward > ky"Z+M4Gq(wry+b.+-8b''tgJa8DAl6ax KEwQj+)brJ'{kyzZ0.j+yajz~'+''^uz-'i0^rq&-z-'oN)]z,j~mW^Kl0((g)mBj~mh[azZ\l0&y^(i0lZ-+y&-&-oE [b-0q(-0q(B{ky-0kx&'m 'o{ki8ZL+iLjCex fty7jf.+-fZ+e,z^1kxWhn0azfb+bz.r.+-R*mbj!'60j@@h!jrr-0kx&jaim 'oj j+MhDH %SPjg rz{Zi^&lZ+kikx&ikx&'k{w/i ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:09 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: aileron bracket From: "grumpyparts" Garner has just had a new batch made, both the -501's and -504's. They now come without the attachment holes drilled for match drilling to the rear spar holes. He may be along latter to give more details. As for the aileron stops there has been many changes along the way, the attached picture shows just fours types I have found out there. We are up to -4 some assuming the others mat have been -1's to -3's. Again Garner may be able to confirm. Ian Mattreface Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416314#416314 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_stops_288.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_stops_2_366.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:20 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aileron bracket From: Ellismcgaughy It was either Ken, Bob or Dave that taught me that the metal plate sandwiches the aileron bracket between the plate and the rear spar. when I bought my 77 tiger from a gentleman in 2005, the plate was installed like a spacer between the spar and the aileron bracket. I flew this way for years and had at least 5 different IAs do my annuals. I have since acquired my A&P and dig more into the details than most other mechanics. That's how I found mine were installed wrong. I'm not even sure at the moment if the parts manual shows them in the correct order. Fortunately, my brackets had not cracked. I took them down to bare metal, inspected for cracks, reprinted, and installed them correctly last year. Lesson learned.....don't assume the airplane is assembled correctly especially when you buy one used. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:03 AM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: aileron bracket This is a 79 Cheetah. -The stop looks like one of your earlier ones.=0A =0A=0A=0AOn Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:01 AM, grumpyparts =0A=0AGarner has just had a new batch made, both the - 501's and -504's. They now come without the attachment holes drilled for ma tch drilling to the rear spar holes.=0A=0AHe may be along latter to give mo re details.=0A=0AAs for the aileron stops there has been many changes along the way, the attached picture shows just fours types I have found out ther e.=0A=0AWe are up to -4 some assuming the others mat have been -1's to -3's .=0A=0AAgain Garner may be able to confirm.=0A=0AIan Mattreface=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. php?p=416314#416314=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matron ics.com//files/aileron_stops_288.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/a - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ====================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:31 AM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Aileron bracket It can't go on the outside of the bracket. -The bracket has a raised port ion that bends the spacer. -The spacer goes between the bracket and the s par. -I don't care what anyone else says.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sunday, December 29, 2013 4:37 AM, Ellismcgaughy wrote:=0A =0A--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Ellismcgaughy =0A=0AIt was either Ken, Bob or Dave that taught me that the metal plate sa ndwiches the aileron bracket between the plate and the rear spar.- when I bought my 77 tiger from a gentleman in 2005, the plate was installed like a spacer between the spar and the aileron bracket.- I flew this way for years and had at least 5 different IAs do my annuals.- - I have since a cquired my A&P and dig more into the details than most other mechanics.- - That's how I found mine were installed wrong.- - I'm not even sure at the moment if the parts manual shows them in the correct order.- - Fortunately, my brackets had not cracked.- - I took them down to bare m etal, inspected for cracks, reprinted, and installed them correctly last ye ar.- - =0ALesson learned.....don't assume the airplane is assembled cor - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L == ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:09 AM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: aileron bracket Too bad about not having the holes drilled. -It's a pain in the ass to ge t them in the right spot. -I've never had a problem with a predrilled bra cket.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn , Gary L Vogt wrote:=0A =0AThis is a 79 Cheetah. -The stop looks like one of your earlier ones.=0A=0A=0A =0AOn Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:01 AM, grumpyparts btinternet.com>=0A=0AGarner has just had a new batch made, both the -501's and=0A -504's. They now come without the attachment holes drilled for match drilling to the rear spar holes.=0A=0AHe may be along latter to give more details.=0A=0AAs for the aileron stops there has been many changes along th e way, the attached picture shows just fours types I have found out there. =0A=0AWe are up to -4 some assuming the others mat have been -1's to -3's. =0A=0AAgain Garner may be able to confirm.=0A=0AIan Mattreface=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. php?p=416314#416314=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matron ics.com//files/aileron_stops_288.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/a - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ======================= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:50 AM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: A trip for 3 Casey Long of Alaska and Argentina fame is home for the winter and has offe red to donate a trip as an auction prize to benefit our scholarship fund. T he trip will be a four hour flight to Mercy Hot Springs for three people th is spring. I happen to be a big fan of natural hot springs, and =C2-deter mined a couple of years ago that Mercy Hot Springs is a =9Cbucket lis t=9D destination. We are truly fortunate to have this opportunity.=0A =0A=A2 Only 300 raffle tickets will be sold=C2-=0A=A2 The tic kets will be sold primarily online=C2-=0A=A2 Tickets will also be s old at the January and February Auburn Aviation Association dinners and any where else we can dream up.=0A=A2 Tickets are $10 each or 6 tickets f or $50 and donations are=C2-tax deductible.=0A=A2 The drawing will be held the second week of February 2014. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Aileron bracket From: Bob Steward RWxsaXMgd2FzIGNhbGxpbmcgdGhlIHN0ZWVsIHN0b3AgYSAic3BhY2VyIiwgbm90IHN1Z2dlc3Rp bmcgdGhhdCB0aGUgc2hpbShzKSwgaWYgYW55LCBtb3VudCB0byB0aGUgYWZ0IHNpZGUgb2YgdGhl IGJlYXJpbmcgYnJhY2tldC4gIEhlIGFuZCBJIGNvcnJlc3BvbmRlZCBhYm91dCBoaXMgcmlnZ2lu Zywgc29tZSBtb250aHMgYWdvLgoKLS1Cb2IgU3Rld2FyZAoKCkdhcnkgTCBWb2d0IHdyb3RlOgoK SXQgY2FuJ3QgZ28gb24gdGhlIG91dHNpZGUgb2YgdGhlIGJyYWNrZXQuIMKgVGhlIGJyYWNrZXQg aGFzIGEgcmFpc2VkIHBvcnRpb24gdGhhdCBiZW5kcyB0aGUgc3BhY2VyLiDCoFRoZSBzcGFjZXIg Z29lcyBiZXR3ZWVuIHRoZSBicmFja2V0IGFuZCB0aGUgc3Bhci4gwqBJIGRvbid0IGNhcmUgd2hh dCBhbnlvbmUgZWxzZSBzYXlzLgoKCi0tPiBieTogRWxsaXNtY2dhdWdoeSAKCkl0IHdhcyBlaXRo ZXIgS2VuLCBCb2Igb3IgRGF2ZSB0aGF0IHRhdWdodCBtZSB0aGF0IHRoZSBtZXRhbCBwbGF0ZSBz YW5kd2ljaGVzIHRoZSBhaWxlcm9uIGJyYWNrZXQgYmV0d2VlbiB0aGUgcGxhdGUgYW5kIHRoZSBy ZWFyIHNwYXIuwqAgd2hlbiBJIGJvdWdodCBteSA3NyB0aWdlciBmcm9tIGEgZ2VudGxlbWFuIGlu IDIwMDUsIHRoZSBwbGF0ZSB3YXMgaW5zdGFsbGVkIGxpa2UgYSBzcGFjZXIgYmV0d2VlbiB0aGUg c3BhciBhbmQgdGhlIGFpbGVyb24gYnJhY2tldC7CoCBJIGZsZXcgdGhpcyB3YXkgZm9yIHllYXJz IGFuZCBoYWQgYXQgbGVhc3QgNSBkaWZmZXJlbnQgSUFzIGRvIG15IGFubnVhbHMuwqAgwqAgSSBo YXZlIHNpbmNlIGFjcXVpcmVkIG15IEEmUCBhbmQgZGlnIG1vcmUgaW50byB0aGUgZGV0YWlscyB0 aGFuIG1vc3Qgb3RoZXIgbWVjaGFuaWNzLsKgIMKgIFRoYXQncyBob3cgSSBmb3VuZCBtaW5lIHdl cmUgaW5zdGFsbGVkIHdyb25nLsKgIMKgIEknbSBub3QgZXZlbiBzdXJlIGF0IHRoZSBtb21lbnQg aWYgdGhlIHBhcnRzIG1hbnVhbCBzaG93cyB0aGVtIGluIHRoZSBjb3JyZWN0IG9yZGVyLsKgIMKg IEZvcnR1bmF0ZWx5LCBteSBicmFja2V0cyBoYWQgbm90IGNyYWNrZWQuwqAgwqAgSSB0b29rIHRo ZW0gZG93biB0byBiYXJlIG1ldGFsLCBpbnNwZWN0ZWQgZm9yIGNyYWNrcywgcmVwcmludGVkLCBh bmQgaW5zdGFsbGVkIHRoZW0gY29ycmVjdGx5IGxhc3QgeWVhci7CoCDCoCAKTGVzc29uIGxlYXJu ZWQuLi4uLg= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: aileron bracket From: Bob Steward SSd2ZSBzZWVuIGEgbnVtYmVyIHdpdGggdGhlIFNQQVIgZHJpbGxlZCBvZmYtY2VudGVyLiBJIHJl cGFpcmVkIHNldmVyYWwgYnkgZmx1c2ggcml2ZXRpbmcgYSAwLjA2MCIgZG91YmxlciBvbiB0aGUg Zm9yd2FyZCBzaWRlLCBmaWxsaW5nIHRoZSBob2xlcyBpbiB0aGUgc3BhciB3aXRoIERldkNvbiBl cG94eSwgYW5kIHRoZW4gY2VudGVyaW5nIHRoZSBiZWFyaW5nIGJyYWNrZXQgYW5kIHJlLWRyaWxs aW5nIHRoZSBob2xlcy4KCkkgYmVsaWV2ZSB0aGlzIGlzIHdoYXQgSWFuIHdhcyB0YWxraW5nIGFi b3V0LCBub3QgdGhlIGJyYWNrZXQgYmVpbmcgbWlzLWRyaWxsZWQuCgpBbmQgdGhpcyBpcyBnb29k IG5ld3MgYWJvdXQgbmV3IHByb2R1Y3Rpb24uIEkndmUgbmVlZGVkIGF0IGxlYXN0IGEgaGFsZiBk b3plbiBvZiB0aGVzZSBpbiB0aGUgcGFzdCB5ZWFyLgotLUJvYiBTdGV3YXJkCgpHYXJ5IEwgVm9n dCB3cm90ZToKClRvbyBiYWQgYWJvdXQgbm90IGhhdmluZyB0aGUgaG9sZXMgZHJpbGxlZC4gwqBJ dCdzIGEgcGFpbiBpbiB0aGUgYXNzIHRvIGdldCB0aGVtIGluIHRoZSByaWdodCBzcG90LiDCoEkn dmUgbmV2ZXIgaGFkIGEgcHJvYmxlbSB3aXRoIGEgcHJlZHJpbGxlZCBicmFja2V0LgoKLS0tPiBw b3N0ZWQgYnk6ICJncnVtcHlwYXJ0cyIKCkdhcm5lciBoYXMganVzdCBoYWQgYSBuZXcgYmF0Y2gg bWFkZSwgYm90aCB0aGUgLTUwMSdzIGFuZCAtNTA0J3MuIFRoZXkgbm93IGNvbWUgd2l0aG91dCB0 aGUgYXR0YWNobWVudCBob2xlcyBkcmlsbGVkIGZvciBtYXRjaCBkcmlsbGluZyB0byB0aGUgcmVh ciBzcGFyIGhvbGVzLgoKSGUgbWF5IGJlIGFsb25nIGxhdHRlciB0byBnaXZlIG1vcmUgZGV0YWls cy4KCkFzIGZvciB0aGUgYWlsZXJvbiBzdG9wcyB0aGVyZSBoYXMgYmVlbiBtYW55IGNoYW5nZXMg YWxvbmcgdGhlIHdheSwgdGhlIGF0dGFjaGVkIHBpY3R1cmUgc2hvd3MganVzdCBmb3VycyB0eXBl cyBJIGhhdmUgZm91bmQgb3V0IHRoZXJlLgoKV2UgYXJlIHVwIHRvIC00IHNvbWUgYXNzdW1pbmcg dGhlIG90aGVycyBtYXQgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIC0xJ3MgdG8gLTMncy4KCkFnYWluIEdhcm5lciBtYXkg YmUgYWJsZSB0byBjb25maXJtLgoKSWFuIE1hdHRyZWZhY2U ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: A trip for 3 From: Carol Stocker Where can I buy tickets??? On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: > Casey Long of Alaska and Argentina fame is home for the winter and has > offered to donate a trip as an auction prize to benefit our scholarship > fund. The trip will be a four hour flight to Mercy Hot Springs for three > people this spring. I happen to be a big fan of natural hot springs, and > determined a couple of years ago that Mercy Hot Springs is a =93bucket l ist=94 > destination. We are truly fortunate to have this opportunity. > > - Only 300 raffle tickets will be sold > - The tickets will be sold primarily online > - Tickets will also be sold at the January and February Auburn Aviation > Association dinners and anywhere else we can dream up. > - Tickets are $10 each or 6 tickets for $50 and donations are tax > deductible. > - The drawing will be held the second week of February 2014. > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== ww.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List> =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:34 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: A trip for 3 I 'think' you can get them through the Auburn Aviation Association. =C2-W e just talked about this at our meeting last week. =C2-=0A=0AContact the Auburn Aviation Association president at=0A=0APresident=94Bob Snyder =0Asnyder@jps.net=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:31 PM, Carol St ocker wrote:=0A =0AWhere can I buy tickets???=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:=0A=0ACasey Long of Alaska and Argentina fame is home for the w inter and has offered to donate a trip as an auction prize to benefit our s cholarship fund. The trip will be a four hour flight to Mercy Hot Springs f or three people this spring. I happen to be a big fan of natural hot spring s, and =C2-determined a couple of years ago that Mercy Hot Springs is a =9Cbucket list=9D destination. We are truly fortunate to have t his opportunity.=0A>=0A>=0A>=A2 Only 300 raffle tickets will be sold =C2-=0A>=A2 The tickets will be sold primarily online=C2-=0A> =A2 Tickets will also be sold at the January and February Auburn Aviatio n Association dinners and anywhere else we can dream up.=0A>=A2 Ticke ts are $10 each or 6 tickets for $50 and donations are=C2-tax deductible. =0A>=A2 The drawing will be held the second week of February 2014.=0A >_blank">www.aeroelectric.com=0A.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.c om=0A="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com =0Aank">www.mrrace.com=0A_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0Ast " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0At == ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: A trip for 3 From: Carol Stocker Thanks....Happy New Year! On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote : > I 'think' you can get them through the Auburn Aviation Association. We > just talked about this at our meeting last week. > > Contact the Auburn Aviation Association president at > > *President=97Bob Snyder* > snyder@jps.net > > > On Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:31 PM, Carol Stocker < > stockercarolm@gmail.com> wrote: > Where can I buy tickets??? > > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote : > > Casey Long of Alaska and Argentina fame is home for the winter and has > offered to donate a trip as an auction prize to benefit our scholarship > fund. The trip will be a four hour flight to Mercy Hot Springs for three > people this spring. I happen to be a big fan of natural hot springs, and > determined a couple of years ago that Mercy Hot Springs is a =93bucket l ist=94 > destination. 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