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5. 10:50 AM - Re: Traveller Exhaust (Darren Tilman)
6. 04:05 PM - Re: Traveller Exhaust (FLYaDIVE)
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| Subject: | Re: Traveller Exhaust |
George
The last thing you should do is the prop.
Each of the other two give you usable power. The final question is what do
you do with the power? Once you get the max power you would want to put it
to work by spinning the biggest pitch you can put on the prop. if you pick
the pitch by ONLY the first power. gain,you loose all the power gained by
the second improvement.
Barry
ChopD Liver
On Friday, January 3, 2014, George Douglas wrote:
> I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and
> then a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different
> prop?
> George
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com<javascript:_e(
{}, 'cvml', 'andrew@entro.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi George,
>
> I did a bunch of things at the same time (top overhaul with high
> compression pistons plus the Powerflow) so I did see a significant
> performance increase but I can't say what is attributable to what. It
> certainly sounds more sinister.
>
> Best,
>
> Andrew
>
>
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> On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:58 PM, George Douglas <George@oilhelp.com> wrote:
>
> George@oilhelp.com>
>
> Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> George Douglas
> Amsoil Distributor
> office 407-856-1564
> toll free 800-887-6698
> cell 321-663-5391
> www.oilhelp.com
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> Hi All,
>
> I recently replaced my stock Traveller 0-320 exhaust with the Powerflow
> exhaust system and was hoping to sell my old system for $250.
>
> If you are int
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"....spinning the biggest pitch" - As long as the pitch is within the speci
fications of the aircraft's type certificate or an STC'd prop/pitch issued
for the aircraft and engine combination.=0ADennis=0A=0AAA1B-0317- 08A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gm
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.com> =0ASent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:20 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman
-List: Traveller Exhaust=0A =0A=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0AThe last thing you should
do is the prop.=0AEach of the other two give you usable power. -The final
question is what do you do with the power? -Once you get the max power y
ou would want to put it to work by spinning the biggest pitch you can put o
n the prop. -if you pick the pitch by ONLY the first power. gain,you loos
e all the power gained by the second improvement.=0A=0ABarry=0AChopD Liver
=0A=0AOn Friday, January 3, 2014, George Douglas wrote:=0A=0AI plan to do
the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then a prop and
the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?=0A>George=0A
>=0A>Sent from my iPad=0A>=0A>On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <and
rew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi George,=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I did a bunch of
things at the same time (top overhaul with high compression pistons plus th
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: "George Douglas" <George@oilhelp.com>=0A>>>=0A>>>Andrew, did the powerflo
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George,
Unless you are in need of a top overhaul, why pull off your baffles, pull
the cylinders, change pistons and go through the process for the HC before
the exhaust? The Power Flow exhaust WILL give you more power at all
altitudes- guaranteed - and will work just fine with the HC. You can test
and verify the additional power without doing anything that isn't easily
reversible on the ground if you are a traveler below s/n 641. You do a full
power ground run-up with the cowling removed and stock exhaust. Record the
peak RPM with a digital tachometer (get fuel flow as well if you have that).
Change the exhaust and repeat the test. You should see instantly additional
power - typical for your aircraft is about 50-75 RPM on the ground, up to
130 in the air.
Once you have confirmed that you see this additional power, make the small
changes to the cowling for the PFS (depends on which version you want -
short stack versus long external classic) and then go fly and see the
results in flight. The PFS will work with the HC mod and a different prop
but Barry's point is valid - do the prop last. The PFS has a money back
guarantee and you would KNOW how much additional RPM you are seeing within
about 3-4 hours of labor by just swapping the exhaust.
Many of our customers considering the HC versus the PFS do the PFS and then
decide to not do the HC until they are in for overhaul which is when the
incremental dollars to do the upgrade are relatively small as the engine is
apart at that point already.
Consider also the other benefits the PFS will provide and many of them are
similar to the HC, but the HC only gets you up to 10 HP worth of gains,
where the PFS could provide nearly double the gains of the HC with much
better fuel economy at current RPMs (savings of 0.5 to 2.2 GPH).
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Thank you,
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
386.253.8833
I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then
a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
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| Subject: | Re: Traveller Exhaust |
Darren:
On Lycoming & Continental engines you must remove the baffling to remove
the cylinders, to access the piston. These engines are not like car
engines, there are no cylinder heads. To access the pistons you must pull
the cylinders and the baffles have to be removed to do that.
Barry
ChopD Liver
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Darren Tilman wrote:
> darren@powerflowsystems.com <javascript:;>>
>
> George,
>
> Unless you are in need of a top overhaul, why pull off your baffles, pull
> the cylinders, change pistons and go through the process for the HC before
> the exhaust? The Power Flow exhaust WILL give you more power at all
> altitudes- guaranteed - and will work just fine with the HC. You can test
> and verify the additional power without doing anything that isn't easily
> reversible on the ground if you are a traveler below s/n 641. You do a
> full
> power ground run-up with the cowling removed and stock exhaust. Record the
> peak RPM with a digital tachometer (get fuel flow as well if you have
> that).
> Change the exhaust and repeat the test. You should see instantly
> additional
> power - typical for your aircraft is about 50-75 RPM on the ground, up to
> 130 in the air.
>
> Once you have confirmed that you see this additional power, make the small
> changes to the cowling for the PFS (depends on which version you want -
> short stack versus long external classic) and then go fly and see the
> results in flight. The PFS will work with the HC mod and a different prop
> but Barry's point is valid - do the prop last. The PFS has a money back
> guarantee and you would KNOW how much additional RPM you are seeing within
> about 3-4 hours of labor by just swapping the exhaust.
>
> Many of our customers considering the HC versus the PFS do the PFS and then
> decide to not do the HC until they are in for overhaul which is when the
> incremental dollars to do the upgrade are relatively small as the engine is
> apart at that point already.
>
> Consider also the other benefits the PFS will provide and many of them are
> similar to the HC, but the HC only gets you up to 10 HP worth of gains,
> where the PFS could provide nearly double the gains of the HC with much
> better fuel economy at current RPMs (savings of 0.5 to 2.2 GPH).
>
> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Darren Tilman
> General Manager
> Power Flow Systems, Inc.
> 386.253.8833
>
> I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and
> then
> a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
> George
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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| Subject: | Traveller Exhaust |
Barry,
I agree and that is what I said. See first sentence of my original posting.
I didn't mention cylinder heads, I said Cylinders.
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
386.253.8833
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Traveller Exhaust
Darren:
On Lycoming & Continental engines you must remove the baffling to remove the
cylinders, to access the piston. These engines are not like car engines,
there are no cylinder heads. To access the pistons you must pull the
cylinders and the baffles have to be removed to do that.
Barry
ChopD Liver
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Darren Tilman wrote:
<darren@powerflowsystems.com <javascript:;> >
George,
Unless you are in need of a top overhaul, why pull off your baffles, pull
the cylinders, change pistons and go through the process for the HC before
the exhaust? The Power Flow exhaust WILL give you more power at all
altitudes- guaranteed - and will work just fine with the HC. You can test
and verify the additional power without doing anything that isn't easily
reversible on the ground if you are a traveler below s/n 641. You do a full
power ground run-up with the cowling removed and stock exhaust. Record the
peak RPM with a digital tachometer (get fuel flow as well if you have that).
Change the exhaust and repeat the test. You should see instantly additional
power - typical for your aircraft is about 50-75 RPM on the ground, up to
130 in the air.
Once you have confirmed that you see this additional power, make the small
changes to the cowling for the PFS (depends on which version you want -
short stack versus long external classic) and then go fly and see the
results in flight. The PFS will work with the HC mod and a different prop
but Barry's point is valid - do the prop last. The PFS has a money back
guarantee and you would KNOW how much additional RPM you are seeing within
about 3-4 hours of labor by just swapping the exhaust.
Many of our customers considering the HC versus the PFS do the PFS and then
decide to not do the HC until they are in for overhaul which is when the
incremental dollars to do the upgrade are relatively small as the engine is
apart at that point already.
Consider also the other benefits the PFS will provide and many of them are
similar to the HC, but the HC only gets you up to 10 HP worth of gains,
where the PFS could provide nearly double the gains of the HC with much
better fuel economy at current RPMs (savings of 0.5 to 2.2 GPH).
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Thank you,
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
386.253.8833
I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then
a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
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Darren:
I had to read and re-read your first sentence. It took a while for your
thought to get through... I took it as a process explanation and not as an
intended critique of what not to do. Sorry about that. That is the
problem with emails; we speak one way where voice inflections and short
timelines in conversation help make a point but, when put in writing all
that becomes lost. Sorry for the misinterpretation and I do realize that
you did not mention cylinder heads... I did.
You make a good point in holding off on the HC Mod until the engine
requires a Top or Major. No sense in spending money on an engine until
needed. If it ain't broke don't fix it. And the PF should be adding some
improvements as a compensation factor towards the pitch increase.
For those considering combining improvements it is a very difficult
decision - If money is a consideration.
Let's say you you have 4" of prop pitch that can be added.
And 2" will be taken care of by the increase in power by the PF Exhaust.
And 2" will be taken care of by the increase in power by the HC Mod.
Do you re-pitch the prop +2" for ONE Mod, the PF Mod and then wait till the
engine needs a Top or a Major, so you can increase the pitch +2" for the
other Mod.
And what about the cost of re-pitching each time?
And what about the cost of shipping and down time and doing a R&R via the
A&P.
Everything in aviation is a trade-off.
It just becomes a case of how much you want to trade and when... As the
saying goes: Pay me now, or pay me more latter.
Barry
Chop'D Liver
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Darren Tilman
<darren@powerflowsystems.com>wrote:
> Barry,
>
>
> I agree and that is what I said. See first sentence of my original
> posting. I didn=92t mention cylinder heads, I said Cylinders.
>
>
> Darren Tilman
>
> General Manager
>
> Power Flow Systems, Inc.
>
> 386.253.8833
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:33 PM
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Traveller Exhaust
>
>
> Darren:
>
>
> On Lycoming & Continental engines you must remove the baffling to remove
> the cylinders, to access the piston. These engines are not like car
> engines, there are no cylinder heads. To access the pistons you must pul
l
> the cylinders and the baffles have to be removed to do that.
>
>
> Barry
>
> ChopD Liver
>
>
> On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Darren Tilman wrote:
>
> darren@powerflowsystems.com>
>
> George,
>
> Unless you are in need of a top overhaul, why pull off your baffles, pull
> the cylinders, change pistons and go through the process for the HC befor
e
> the exhaust? The Power Flow exhaust WILL give you more power at all
> altitudes- guaranteed - and will work just fine with the HC. You can tes
t
> and verify the additional power without doing anything that isn't easily
> reversible on the ground if you are a traveler below s/n 641. You do a
> full
> power ground run-up with the cowling removed and stock exhaust. Record t
he
> peak RPM with a digital tachometer (get fuel flow as well if you have
> that).
> Change the exhaust and repeat the test. You should see instantly
> additional
> power - typical for your aircraft is about 50-75 RPM on the ground, up to
> 130 in the air.
>
> Once you have confirmed that you see this additional power, make the smal
l
> changes to the cowling for the PFS (depends on which version you want -
> short stack versus long external classic) and then go fly and see the
> results in flight. The PFS will work with the HC mod and a different pr
op
> but Barry's point is valid - do the prop last. The PFS has a money bac
k
> guarantee and you would KNOW how much additional RPM you are seeing withi
n
> about 3-4 hours of labor by just swapping the exhaust.
>
> Many of our customers considering the HC versus the PFS do the PFS and th
en
> decide to not do the HC until they are in for overhaul which is when the
> incremental dollars to do the upgrade are relatively small as the engine
is
> apart at that point already.
>
> Consider also the other benefits the PFS will provide and many of them ar
e
> similar to the HC, but the HC only gets you up to 10 HP worth of gains,
> where the PFS could provide nearly double the gains of the HC with much
> better fuel economy at current RPMs (savings of 0.5 to 2.2 GPH).
>
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Casey Long of Alaska and Argentina fame is home for the winter and has offe
red to donate a trip as an auction prize to benefit our scholarship fund. T
he trip will be a four hour flight to Mercy Hot Springs for three people th
is spring. I happen to be a big fan of natural hot springs, and =C2-deter
mined a couple of years ago that Mercy Hot Springs is a =9Cbucket lis
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re $10 each or 6 tickets for $50 and donations are=C2-tax deductible.=0A
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end me a check for the tickets made out to=C2-=0A=0AAuburn Aviation Assoc
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