---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/30/14: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:05 AM - Re: Beacon Switch (Gary L Vogt) 2. 08:13 AM - Re: Beacon Switch (Airport Bum) 3. 08:19 AM - Re: Fw: Region 3/SE Fly-in: March 29, 2014, Warm Springs GA (Wes Chapman) 4. 01:25 PM - Re: Beacon Switch (Ian Matterface) 5. 03:27 PM - Re: Fw: Region 3/SE Fly-in: March 29, 2014, Warm Springs GA (Lou Evans) 6. 10:08 PM - Re: Beacon Switch (Gary L Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Beacon Switch From: Gary L Vogt All of the switches were replaced in 2010. Gary Sent from my iPad > On Jan 29, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Airport Bum wrote: > > I don't think it has much if anything to do with the switch being left on, rather its due to age, corrosion, and poor quality switches. Ive seen this in a number of aircraft types. With the low cost of replacement switches, I 'd just replace them all for good measure, and while doing so, I'd re-crimp t he female connectors so they make a good connection to the new switches. If you look closely, you can see corrosion on the other female terminals too. > > Kevin > >> On Jan 29, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: >> >> Take a look at this. The owner always has the beacon on. >> >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:25 AM PST US From: Airport Bum Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Beacon Switch If you look at the wire and crimp on connector, you will also see discolorat ion. This as you know is usually caused by heat, which is usually caused by corrosion in the connection. I think I'd look at the wire before I blamed t he switch. Have you checked both ends of the wire and the ground for the be acon? What is the load draw and how does that compare to the switch rating? Kevin On Jan 30, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Gary L Vogt wrote: > All of the switches were replaced in 2010. > > Gary > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 29, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Airport Bum wrote: > >> I don't think it has much if anything to do with the switch being left on , rather its due to age, corrosion, and poor quality switches. Ive seen thi s in a number of aircraft types. With the low cost of replacement switches, I'd just replace them all for good measure, and while doing so, I'd re-crim p the female connectors so they make a good connection to the new switches. If you look closely, you can see corrosion on the other female terminals to o. >> >> Kevin >> >> On Jan 29, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: >> >>> Take a look at this. The owner always has the beacon on. >>> >>> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> rumman-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Region 3/SE Fly-in: March 29, 2014, Warm Springs GA From: Wes Chapman Thanks for your support Gary W On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote : > Done. I also posted it on the AuCountry Aviation Facebook page and the > Grumman Owners and Pilots Association Facebook page > > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:05 PM, Lou Evans < > flyevansaviation@yahoo.com> wrote: > Please post the below forwarded AYA Fly-in announcement. Thank you, Gary ! > Lou Evans > N9673U > AYA Area Coordinator - Georgia > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Lou Evans ; > * To: * grumman-gang@mailman.xmission.com < > grumman-gang@mailman.xmission.com>; editor@aya.org ; > teamgrumman-list@matronics.com ; > * Cc: * flyevansaviation@yahoo.com ; > se@aya.org ; weschapmanpc@gmail.com ; > guy.warner1@verizon.net ; > * Subject: * Region 3/SE Fly-in: March 29, 2014, Warm Springs GA > * Sent: * Thu, Jan 30, 2014 12:35:52 AM > > Announcing an upcoming AYA Region 3/SE Fly-in to be held on Saturday, > March 29th, 2014, beginning at 10am, at Roosevelt Memorial Airport (5A9,) > in Warm Springs, GA. The fly-in is hosted by AYA members Lou, Dena & > Brittany Evans. > > 5A9 is a quaint, 5000' paved, lighted, uncontrolled airport originally > built in 1939 and named after President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, whose > "Winter White House," now a Georgia State Historical Site, is minutes awa y. > > Our fly-in will start with an informal "meet and greet" at our hangar, > followed by a delicious, lip-smackin' Southern-style luncheon at the "Cou rt > Square Caf=E9" in nearby Greenville, GA. After lunch, we will then trave l > to nearby Warm Springs, which is only a short drive away from the > restaurant, and there, we will tour Roosevelt's famous and well-appointed > "Little White House," where he died in April of 1945. > > Ground transportation will be provided to all locations. > > Available applicable links: > 1. 5A9 Airport Information: http://www.airnav.com/airport/5A9 > 2. GA State Historic Site-FDR's Little White House: > http://gastateparks.org/LittleWhiteHouse/ > > For aeronautical planning purposes, 5A9 is a well-marked, lit and easy to > use airport that is approximately 45NM SSW of KATL and sits well outside of > KATL's Class B airspace. It boasts a newly paved 5000' runway, and there > is ample tie-down space on the field. Presently, there are no active > FBOs on the airfield, and thus, no true on-site maintenance. However, > there is an airport lounge with bathrooms, drinking water, planning > room, etc.. > > Self-serve 100LL fuel is available on the field and is currently priced a t > $5.35 per gallon. > > This event is open to all AYA Members, their guests and Grumman friends, > everywhere. We hope you will make plans to come and join us for this tas te > of down-home, Georgia friendship and fun! > > For more information, contact Lou Evans at flyevansaviation@yahoo.com, or > at (805) 573-0449. > > Lou Evans > N9673U > AYA Area Coordinator - Georgia > > * "The years between 50 and 70 are the hardest. You are always being aske d > to do things, and yet you are not decrepit enough to turn them down." * > > *-- T.S. Eliot,American-British writer* > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List w" target="_blank" href="http://www.ma tronics.com/contribution ">http:// ====================== > > * > > > * > =========== ww.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- Wes Chapman,RPh Chapman Rx 305 Maple Drive Vidalia, GA 30474 912-538-0053(work) 1709 Green Acres Drive Vidalia, GA 30474 912-538-8289(home) 912-293-3794(cell) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:25 PM PST US From: "Ian Matterface" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Beacon Switch This has been a long known problem in the UK with Carling switches, to the extent that an AD was issued for annual inspection of the switches and wiring. http://ad.easa.europa.eu/blob/easa_ad_2006_0375.pdf/AD_2006-0375_1 I think in response to the UK=99s CAA=99s concern about this before the AD was issued Fletchair came out with Service kit SK156 to change the cheap switches with MS35058-22 toggle switches. Ian Matterface From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt Sent: 30 January 2014 08:05 Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Beacon Switch All of the switches were replaced in 2010. Gary Sent from my iPad On Jan 29, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Airport Bum wrote: I don't think it has much if anything to do with the switch being left on, rather its due to age, corrosion, and poor quality switches. Ive seen this in a number of aircraft types. With the low cost of replacement switches, I'd just replace them all for good measure, and while doing so, I'd re-crimp the female connectors so they make a good connection to the new switches. If you look closely, you can see corrosion on the other female terminals too. Kevin On Jan 29, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: Take a look at this. The owner always has the beacon on. 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Thanks!!=0A=0A"The engine is the heart of the aeropla ne, but the pilot is it's soul"- --Sir Walter Raleigh, RAF Historian=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Beacon Switch From: Gary L Vogt I've only seen this on the strobe and beacon switches. The wire to the strob e through the connector next to the fuel selector also burns the connector. I've by-passed the connector with an inline connector more than once. Gary Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:24 PM, "Ian Matterface" wrote : > > This has been a long known problem in the UK with Carling switches, to the extent that an AD was issued for annual inspection of the switches and wiri ng. > > http://ad.easa.europa.eu/blob/easa_ad_2006_0375.pdf/AD_2006-0375_1 > > I think in response to the UK=99s CAA=99s concern about this b efore the AD was issued Fletchair came out with > Service kit SK156 to change the cheap switches with MS35058-22 toggle sw itches. > > Ian Matterface > > From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumma n-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt > Sent: 30 January 2014 08:05 > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Beacon Switch > > All of the switches were replaced in 2010. > > Gary > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 29, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Airport Bum wrote: > > I don't think it has much if anything to do with the switch being left on, rather its due to age, corrosion, and poor quality switches. 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