---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/21/14: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:07 AM - Re: here's a new one (FLYaDIVE) 2. 07:33 AM - Re: here's a new one (Hosler, John) 3. 10:20 AM - Tiger and T-hangar for sale at ILG (SK) 4. 10:26 AM - Tiger and T-hangar for sale at ILG (SK) 5. 10:26 AM - Tiger and T-hangar for sale at ILG (SK) 6. 07:27 PM - Re: here's a new one (Gary L Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one From: FLYaDIVE John & Team: Here is an unusual thing... Ever notice how a pilot handles the Throttle Control? Usually it is very gently - Nice smooth actions, in and out. BUT! Then watch the way the same pilot handles the Mixture Control. Sure they adjust the Mixture nice and smooth. BUT! Watch them Pull, Yank and Slam the Mixture Control OUT when they shut off the Engine/Mixture. WHY! Why not slowly and gently pull it out? And watch the Tach at the same time... You should see a 50 RPM increase just before the engine dies. Doing it this way you do not abuse the cable and the 50 RPM increase is one of the indications you have the Carb Adjusted correctly. Some things you do fast and some things you do slow and gentle. It's like making love. Barry On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Hosler, John wrote: > Thanks, I used to have a mechanic that checked the cable every annual as > a matter of course (and we did change the cable once -not sure why. The > bending of the end of the cable at the attachment always seemed to me to be > the weak point. > > > *From:* owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > boxereighty@AOL.COM > *Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:10 AM > *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one > > > John: > > Here is a link to the AD: > > > http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/AOCADSearch/6 50EF5216513544186256A38005DF83B?OpenDocument > > Here is the AD info: > > Amendment 39-2180; AD 75-09-07 > > > Barry > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Hosler, John > wrote: > > > What is the AD on the cables? > > > John > > > *From:*owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:51 PM > *To:*teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one > > > I guess that is why the AD on the cables. Why hasn't the AD covered the > AA5x series? > > > Better on the ground that in the air and consider how difficult the FAA > would have made your life if there was an accident! > > > Barry > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Gary L Vogt > wrote: > > I had just finished setting the mixture on a FWF restoration I'm doing on > N28819. You can see a lot of pics of it on the AuCountry Aviation > Facebook > page. > > > When I pulled out the mixture to check one last time to make sure the > mixture went to cutoff, the cable broke. That has never happened before. > > > ============== TeamGrumman-List Email Forum - :p> /o:p> > >gator?TeamGrumman-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ====== ======= > - > MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - /o:p>http://forums.matronics.com ===== ======== > - List Contribution Web Site -pre> -Matt Dralle, List > Admin.ribution"> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== = > > The same thing happened to me at the end of a flight in my AA1C. My A&P > (new to me at the time) said there was an AD on it but that was secondary , > the mixture control obviously had to be replaced since it was broken, AD or > not so I didn't research the point. At the time the plane had in the > vicinity of 1000hrs TT =B1. So I think the rumors of an improved bracket on > 1C models negating the AD might be overstated. The AD (from the above lin k) > was published and amended in 1975 which was two years before the C model > came to market. Maybe the cable really was improved so was never added to > the AD, I'm not going to research it now, but quite obviously based on my > experience the cable was still susceptible to breakage after very low tim e > in service. Even on an AA1C. I put a vernier mixture control on the Lynx > and never had another problem in the next 10 years until I sold it. > > Brent Smith > N28386/1N1 > > ============* > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List>* > > ============* > > ============* > > com/contribution>* > ============* > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:03 AM PST US From: "Hosler, John" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one Got it! From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumm an-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:07 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one John & Team: Here is an unusual thing... Ever notice how a pilot handles the Throttle Control? Usually it is very gently - Nice smooth actions, in and out. BUT! Then watch the way the same pilot handles the Mixture Control. Sure they adjust the Mixture nice and smooth. BUT! Watch them Pull, Yank an d Slam the Mixture Control OUT when they shut off the Engine/Mixture. WH Y! Why not slowly and gently pull it out? And watch the Tach at the sam e time... You should see a 50 RPM increase just before the engine dies. Doing it this way you do not abuse the cable and the 50 RPM increase is one of the indications you have the Carb Adjusted correctly. Some things you do fast and some things you do slow and gentle. It's like making lo ve. Barry On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Hosler, John > wrote: Thanks, I used to have a mechanic that checked the cable every annual as a matter of course (and we did change the cable once -not sure why. The bending of the end of the cable at the attachment always seemed to me to be the weak point. From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matron ics.com] On Behalf Of boxereighty@AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:10 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one John: Here is a link to the AD: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/AOCADSearch/6 50EF5216513544186256A38005DF83B?OpenDocument Here is the AD info: Amendment 39-2180; AD 75-09-07 Barry On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Hosler, John wrote: What is the AD on the cables? John *From:*owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:51 PM *To:*teamgrumman-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one I guess that is why the AD on the cables. Why hasn't the AD covered the AA5x series? Better on the ground that in the air and consider how difficult the FAA would have made your life if there was an accident! Barry On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Gary L Vogt wrote: I had just finished setting the mixture on a FWF restoration I'm doing on N28819. You can see a lot of pics of it on the AuCountry Aviation Facebo ok page. When I pulled out the mixture to check one last time to make sure the mixture went to cutoff, the cable broke. That has never happened before. ============== TeamGrumman-List Email Forum - :p> /o:p> >gator?TeamGrumman-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ======= ======= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - /o:p>http://forums.matronics.com ====== ======== - List Contribution Web Site -pre> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.ribution"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============ The same thing happened to me at the end of a flight in my AA1C. My A&P ( new to me at the time) said there was an AD on it but that was secondary, the mixture control obviously had to be replaced since it was broken, AD or not so I didn't research the point. At the time the plane had in the vicinity of 1000hrs TT =B1. So I think the rumors of an improved bracket on 1C models negating the AD might be overstated. The AD (from the above link) was published and amended in 1975 which was two years before the C model came to market. Maybe the cable really was improved so was never a dded to the AD, I'm not going to research it now, but quite obviously bas ed on my experience the cable was still susceptible to breakage after ver y low time in service. Even on an AA1C. I put a vernier mixture control o n the Lynx and never had another problem in the next 10 years until I sol d it. Brent Smith N28386/1N1 ============= eamGrumman-List Email Forum - u> > tor?TeamGrumman-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?TeamGrumman-List ============= bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - u> rget="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com ============= bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - /pre> bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. bution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:00 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger and T-hangar for sale at ILG From: SK I have a 79 Tiger and a condo hangar at ILG, New Castle Co., Delaware for sa le. Anyone interested contact me at kahnsg@aol.com for details. Thanks, Steve N4540P On Feb 21, 2014, at 3:02, TeamGrumman-List Digest Server wrote: * ========================== ======================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ========================== ======================= Today's complete TeamGrumman-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the TeamGrumman-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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John *From:*owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com=C2- [mailto: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:51 PM *To:*teamgrumman-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one I guess that is why the AD on the cables.=C2- Why hasn't the AD covered t he AA5x series? Better on the ground that in the air and consider how difficult the FAA would have made your life if there was an accident! Barry On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Gary L Vogt<teamgrumman@yahoo.com>=C2 - wrote: I had just finished setting the mixture on a FWF restoration I'm doing on N28819.=C2- You can see a lot of pics of it on the AuCountry Aviation Fac ebook page. When I pulled out the mixture to check one last time to make sure the mixture went to cutoff, the cable broke.=C2- That has never happened befo re. ============== TeamGrumman-List Email Forum - : p> /o:p> >gator?TeamGrumman-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=C2- ==== ==========C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - /o:p>http://forums.matronics.com=C2- == ============C2-=C2- - List Contribution Web Site -pre>=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -Matt Dralle, List A dmin.ribution"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution=C2- ========= = The same thing happened to me at the end of a flight in my AA1C. My A&P (ne w to me at the time) said there was an AD on it but that was secondary, the mixture control obviously had to be replaced since it was broken, AD or no t so I didn't research the point. At the time the plane had in the vicinity of 1000hrs TT =C2=B1. So I think the rumors of an improved bracket on 1C m odels negating the AD might be overstated. The AD (from the above link) was published and amended in 1975 which was two years before the C model=C2- came to market. Maybe the cable really was improved so was never added to the AD, I'm not going to research it now, but quite obviously based on my e xperience the cable was still susceptible to breakage after very low time i n service. Even on an AA1C. I put a vernier mixture control on the Lynx and never had another problem in the next 10 years until I sold it.=C2- Brent Smith N28386/1N1 ________________________________ Message 2 _______________________________ ______ Time: 09:41:38 AM PST US From: "Hosler, John" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one VGhhbmtzLCBJIHVzZWQgdG8gaGF2ZSBhIG1lY2hhbmljIHRoYXQgY2hlY2tlZCB0aGUgY2FibGUg ZXZlcnkgYW5udWFsIGFzIGEgbWF0dGVyIG9mIGNvdXJzZSAoYW5kIHdlIGRpZCBjaGFuZ2UgdGhl IGNhYmxlIG9uY2Ug4oCTbm90IHN1cmUgd2h5LiAgVGhlIGJlbmRpbmcgb2YgdGhlIGVuZCBvZiB0 aGUgY2FibGUgYXQgdGhlIGF0dGFjaG1lbnQgYWx3YXlzIHNlZW1lZCB0byBtZSB0byBiZSB0aGUg d2VhayBwb2ludC4NCg0KRnJvbTogb3duZXItdGVhbWdydW1tYW4tbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbSBbbWFpbHRvOm93bmVyLXRlYW1ncnVtbWFuLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5j b21dIE9uIEJlaGFsZiBPZiBib3hlcmVpZ2h0eUBBT0wuQ09NDQpTZW50OiBUaHVyc2RheSwgRmVi cnVhcnkgMjAsIDIwMTQgMTE6MTAgQU0NClRvOiB0ZWFtZ3J1bW1hbi1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5j 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========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:50 AM PST US From: SK Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger and T-hangar for sale at ILG I have a 79 Tiger and a condo hangar at ILG, New Castle Co., Delaware for sa le. Anyone interested contact me at kahnsg@aol.com for details. Thanks, Steve N4540P ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:52 AM PST US From: SK Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger and T-hangar for sale at ILG I have a 79 Tiger and a condo hangar at ILG, New Castle Co., Delaware for sa le. Anyone interested contact me at kahnsg@aol.com for details. Thanks, Steve N4540P ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:15 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one Good point, Barry. =C2-I'll have to see just how I pull the mixture to ID LE cutoff. =C2-I don't know off hand.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Friday, February 21, 2014 7:39 AM, "Hosler, John" wrote:=0A =0A =0AGot it!=0A =C2-=0AFrom:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-tea mgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE=0ASent: Friday, F ebruary 21, 2014 8:07 AM=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re : TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one=0A=C2-=0AJohn & Team:=0A=C2-=0AHer e is an unusual thing... =C2-Ever notice how a pilot handles the Throttle Control? =C2-Usually it is very gently - Nice smooth actions, in and out . =C2-BUT! Then watch the way the same pilot handles the Mixture Control. =C2-Sure they adjust the Mixture nice and smooth. =C2-BUT! =C2-Watch them Pull, Yank and Slam the Mixture Control OUT when they shut off the En gine/Mixture. =C2-WHY! =C2-Why not slowly and gently pull it out? =C2 -And watch the Tach at the same time... =C2-You should see a 50 RPM inc rease just before the engine dies. =C2-Doing it this way you do not abuse the cable and the 50 RPM increase is one of the indications you have the C arb Adjusted correctly. =C2-Some things you do fast and some things you d o slow and gentle. =C2-It's like making love.=0A=C2-=0ABarry=0A=C2- =0AOn Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Hosler, John wrote: =0AThanks, I used to have a mechanic that checked the cable every annual as a matter of course (and we did change the cable once =93not sure why .=C2- The bending of the end of the cable at the attachment always seemed to me to be the weak point.=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@ matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behal f Of boxereighty@AOL.COM=0ASent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:10 AM=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0A=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: here's a ne w one=0A=C2-=0AJohn: =0A>=0A>Here is a link to the AD: =0A>=0A>http://rgl .faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/AOCADSearch/650EF52165135 44186256A38005DF83B?OpenDocument =0A>=0A>Here is the AD info: =0A>=0A>Amend ment 39-2180; AD 75-09-07 =0A>=0A>=0A>Barry =0A>=0A>=0A>On Tue, Feb 18, 201 4 at 4:11 PM, Hosler, John=C2- wrote: =0A>=0A>=0A>=C2 - What is the AD on the cables? =0A>=0A>=0A>John =0A>=0A>=0A>*From:*owner -teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com=C2- [mailto: =0A>owner-teamgrumman -list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE =0A>*Sent:* Tuesday, Fe bruary 18, 2014 3:51 PM =0A>*To:*teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0A>*Subjec t:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: here's a new one =0A>=0A>=0A>I guess that is why the AD on the cables.=C2- Why hasn't the AD covered the =0A>AA5x series? =0A>=0A>=0A>Better on the ground that in the air and consider how difficult the FAA =0A>would have made your life if there was an accident! =0A>=0A> =0A>Barry =0A>=0A>On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Gary L Vogt=C2- wrote: =0A>I had just finished setting the mixture on a FWF restoration I'm doing on =0A>N28819.=C2- You can see a lot of pics of it on the AuCountry Aviation Facebook =0A>page. =0A>=0A>=0A>When I pulled out the mixture to check one last time to make sure the =0A>mixture went to cut off, the cable broke.=C2- That has never happened before. =0A>=0A>=0A>= ============= TeamGrumman-List Email Forum - :p> /o:p> >gator?TeamGrumman-List"> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Team Grumman-List=C2- ===============C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2- - =0A>MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - /o:p>http://forums.matronic s.com=C2- ===============C2-=C2- - List C ontribution Web Site -pre>=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -M att Dralle, List Admin.ribution"> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ============= =0AThe same thing happened t o me at the end of a flight in my AA1C. My A&P (new to me at the time) said there was an AD on it but that was secondary, the mixture control obviousl y had to be replaced since it was broken, AD or not so I didn't research th e point. At the time the plane had in the vicinity of 1000hrs TT =C2=B1. So I think the rumors of an improved bracket on 1C models negating the AD mig ht be overstated. The AD (from the above link) was published and amended in 1975 which was two years before the C model=C2- came to market. Maybe th e cable really was improved so was never added to the AD, I'm not going to research it now, but quite obviously based on my experience the cable was s till susceptible to breakage after very low time in service. Even on an AA1 C. 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