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3. 12:51 PM - Re: Interior Plastics ()
4. 02:51 PM - Re: Interior Plastics (Linn Walters)
5. 06:37 PM - Re: Interior Plastics (Gary L Vogt)
6. 06:41 PM - Re: Interior Plastics (Gary L Vogt)
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Sounds like some interesting experiences. You're a luck dog! Not too many n
on military folks get fighter jet time.
Kevin
On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, since I worked the P&W, I'm partial to P&W. The guys on the other si
de of the office working GE, liked GE.
>
> Low altitudes, the P&W out performed the GE due to the larger inlet. GE ha
d smaller inlets and less spillage drag at altitude making it a bit faster.
>
> I have 12 hours in an F-16 including 3 hrs in air-to-air combat. We did 9g
s. I flew 8 point rolls and terrain following through the Sierras in the Isa
bella MOA at 400 AGL.
>
> It was a great experience.
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:30 AM, "L. Bruce Smith" <haveblue1@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Gary,
>>
>> Based upon your experience with the F-16, who makes better jet engines, P
ratt & Whitney or GE? I'm assuming here that you have experience with both.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bruce Smith
>> Sent from iCloud
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| Subject: | Interior Plastics |
Bought some interior plastics to spiff up the plane a bit. Anyone have any
suggestions on the best way to trim this stuff to fit? It seems thicker
than the stuff I bought years ago for another aircraft.
Bruce
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Plastics |
From: CYNAMONB@AOL.COM
Bought some interior plastics to spiff up the plane a bit. Anyone have any
suggestions on the best way to trim this stuff to fit? It seems thicker
than the stuff I bought years ago for another aircraft.
Bruce
Yes, the new plastic is thicker. Not sure if that was to help with the cracking
of the older style, or a material availability issue.
As for trimming, I cut it with offset aviation snips to about 1/4" from "net trim",
and then come back for another pass down to less than 1/16" from net, and
then sand the edges smooth. There are some trim lines that show up in the smooth
side of the plastic, though they seem to have some skips. These make a good
first cut reference, but I would not depend on them to be exact. There are
manufacturing tolerances in the plastics and in the airframes.
I'd trim down to 1/4", test fit, trim again and test fit, until you get the desired
installation. For sanding, I have a 3" drum that fits in my cordless drill
(bought at a woodworking supply store) and an ~3"x18" long section of milled
wood with 2 different grits of self-adhesive sandpaper applied to the opposite
sides. The 3M self-stick paper is from an autobody supply store. I believe
they are 80 and 180 grit, and originally intended for sanding "bondo" to contour.
Cheap, less than $1/sheet, and I've been using the same sheets for years.
I've used all sorts of tools over the years in trimming the plastic, and have settled
on the offset aviation snips (available at Lowes if you don't have a buddy
building an RV). You'll want both red and green handled snips, so you can
cut "left" and "right" handed curves.
Take your time, give your hands a rest, as they WILL cramp up from all the cutting
with the snips, and do a nice job. I've worked on a few planes that looked
like the interior plastic was trimmed with a chainsaw... Don't be that guy.
--Bob Steward
Birmingham, AL
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Plastics |
If you have one of those Workmates, clamp a belt sander upside down and
trim to fit. Light pressure so the plastic doesn't heat up.
Linn
On 2/27/2014 2:36 PM, CYNAMONB@AOL.COM wrote:
> Bought some interior plastics to spiff up the plane a bit. Anyone have
> any suggestions on the best way to trim this stuff to fit? It
> seems thicker than the stuff I bought years ago for another aircraft.
> Bruce
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Plastics |
I use tin snips to trim the basic part. -Then, I use 40 grit sand paper i
n a 15 inch long sanding block to fine tune the part. -Rear window moldin
gs don't generally fit very well. -Being twice as thick as necessary make
s the problem even worse. -Canopy window moldings fit OK but one is too s
hort and one is too long (front to back). -=0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thurs
day, February 27, 2014 2:57 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
=0A =0AIf you have one of those Workmates, clamp a belt sander upside down
and trim to fit.- Light pressure so the plastic doesn't heat up.=0ALinn
=0A=0AOn 2/27/2014 2:36 PM, CYNAMONB@AOL.COM wrote:=0A=0ABought some interi
or plastics to spiff up the plane a bit. Anyone have any suggestions on the
best way to trim this stuff to fit? It seems-thicker than the stuff I bo
ught years ago for another aircraft.=0A>-=0A>Bruce =0A>No virus found in
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Plastics |
I second Bob's comments. -=0A=0AI have both the offset and regular tin sn
ips. -Keep all of them handy as one might work where the other one doesn'
t. -I figure about 8 hrs per part, trim and fit.=0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0A=0AOn
Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:56 PM, "n76lima@mindspring.com" <n76lima@min
mindspring.com>=0A=0AFrom: CYNAMONB@AOL.COM=0ABought some interior plastics
to spiff up the plane a bit. Anyone have any =0Asuggestions on the best wa
y to trim this stuff to fit? It seems thicker =0Athan the stuff I bought ye
ars ago for another aircraft.=0ABruce =0A=0AYes, the new plastic is thicker
.- Not sure if that was to help with the cracking of the older style, or
a material availability issue.=0A=0AAs for trimming, I cut it with offset a
viation snips to about 1/4" from "net trim", and then come back for another
pass down to less than 1/16" from net, and then sand the edges smooth.-
There are some trim lines that show up in the smooth side of the plastic, t
hough they seem to have some skips.- These make a good first cut referenc
e, but I would not depend on them to be exact.- There are manufacturing t
olerances in the plastics and in the airframes.=0A=0AI'd trim down to 1/4",
test fit, trim again and test fit, until you get the desired installation.
- For sanding, I have a 3" drum that fits in my cordless drill (bought at
a woodworking supply store) and an ~3"x18" long section of milled wood wit
h 2 different grits of self-adhesive sandpaper applied to the opposite side
s.- The 3M self-stick paper is from an autobody supply store.- I believ
e they are 80 and 180 grit, and originally intended for sanding "bondo" to
contour.- Cheap, less than $1/sheet, and I've been using the same sheets
for years.=0A=0AI've used all sorts of tools over the years in trimming the
plastic, and have settled on the offset aviation snips (available at Lowes
if you don't have a buddy building an RV).- You'll want both red and gre
en handled snips, so you can cut "left" and "right" handed curves.=0A=0ATak
e your time, give your hands a rest, as they WILL cramp up from all the cut
ting with the snips, and do a nice job.- I've worked on a few planes that
looked like the interior plastic was trimmed with a chainsaw...- Don't b
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