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1. 05:46 AM - Re: Battery cable (Linn Walters)
2. 07:48 AM - Re: Battery cable (FLYaDIVE)
3. 08:22 AM - Re: Battery cable (George Douglas)
4. 09:12 AM - Re: Battery cable (Linn Walters)
5. 09:13 AM - Re: Battery cable (Jim Parker)
6. 05:13 PM - Re: Latest findings (Hosler, John)
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable |
Yep, #2 is what you want. Wire can look bigger/smaller due to the
thickness of the insulation. The insulation on the wire I used for the
RV-10 is real thin but it's really tough.
You should always get wire for the airplane from an aviation source
..... it has more individual strands that stands up to vibration better.
Linn
On 7/13/2014 2:15 AM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
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> I just bought some 2 gauge wire for the battery and starter. Seems a little small.
Definitely looks smaller than the wire I removed.
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> Is 2 gauge the right size?
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> Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable |
Gary:
There are two different gauges for gauging wire AWG & BWG - - - AWG is
American Wire Gauge and BWG, yup you guessed it is British Wire Gauge. BWG
is slightly smaller than AWG. 0/2 AWG = 0.3648" and in BWG it is 0.348".
Now a crazy question... Did you get 0/2 (2 aut) or 2 Gauge wire? The
difference is in 0/2 AWG is much bigger than 2 AWG wire... 0.3648" Vs
0.2576". OK, that is the basics of wire gauge. And as Linn said there is
a difference in wires as far as number of strands and bundles. Wire is
identified the same way control cable wire-rope is identified. Diameter -
Number of Bundles - Number of Strands per Bundle. If you know what you
want it really does not matter if it is sold by an aviation outfit or an
automotive shop... BUT! If you wish to get great wire at a much fairer
price, check out welding suppliers. Their wire fits the requirement, is
less expensive, they can make up all sorts of swagged fittings, is
insulated with a abrasion resistance cover AND the wire is very flexible.
Hope this helps,
Barry
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
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> Yep, #2 is what you want. Wire can look bigger/smaller due to the
> thickness of the insulation. The insulation on the wire I used for the
> RV-10 is real thin but it's really tough.
> You should always get wire for the airplane from an aviation source .....
> it has more individual strands that stands up to vibration better.
> Linn
>
> On 7/13/2014 2:15 AM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
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>> teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
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>> I just bought some 2 gauge wire for the battery and starter. Seems a
>> little small. Definitely looks smaller than the wire I removed.
>>
>> Is 2 gauge the right size?
>>
>> Gary
>> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable |
Barry, Why not use the type of wire that is spec'd for the aircraft instead o
f trying to save a few dollars even if what you are advising may be better? T
he original wire has lasted a long time and has stood the test of time don't
you think?
George
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> On Jul 13, 2014, at 10:47 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Gary:
>
> There are two different gauges for gauging wire AWG & BWG - - - AWG is Ame
rican Wire Gauge and BWG, yup you guessed it is British Wire Gauge. BWG is s
lightly smaller than AWG. 0/2 AWG = 0.3648" and in BWG it is 0.348". Now
a crazy question... Did you get 0/2 (2 aut) or 2 Gauge wire? The differen
ce is in 0/2 AWG is much bigger than 2 AWG wire... 0.3648" Vs 0.2576". OK,
that is the basics of wire gauge. And as Linn said there is a difference i
n wires as far as number of strands and bundles. Wire is identified the sam
e way control cable wire-rope is identified. Diameter - Number of Bundles -
Number of Strands per Bundle. If you know what you want it really does not
matter if it is sold by an aviation outfit or an automotive shop... BUT! I
f you wish to get great wire at a much fairer price, check out welding suppl
iers. Their wire fits the requirement, is less expensive, they can make up a
ll sorts of swagged fittings, is insulated with a abrasion resistance cover A
ND the wire is very flexible.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Barry
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>> On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wro
te:
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>> Yep, #2 is what you want. Wire can look bigger/smaller due to the thickn
ess of the insulation. The insulation on the wire I used for the RV-10 is r
eal thin but it's really tough.
>> You should always get wire for the airplane from an aviation source .....
it has more individual strands that stands up to vibration better.
>> Linn
>>
>>> On 7/13/2014 2:15 AM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
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>>> I just bought some 2 gauge wire for the battery and starter. Seems a lit
tle small. Definitely looks smaller than the wire I removed.
>>>
>>> Is 2 gauge the right size?
>>>
>>> Gary
>>> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable |
On 7/13/2014 10:47 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
> Gary:
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> If you know what you want it really does not matter if it is sold by
> an aviation outfit or an automotive shop... BUT! If you wish to get
> great wire at a much fairer price, check out welding suppliers. Their
> wire fits the requirement, is less expensive, they can make up all
> sorts of swagged fittings, is insulated with a abrasion resistance
> cover AND the wire is very flexible.
What you say is mostly true, but the rubber insulation on welding cable
(which contributes to it's flexibility) will not stand the test of
time. The proper cable won't be found in Home Depot or your local
welding shop.
AC43-13B says
SUBSTITUTIONS.
In the repair and modification of existing aircraft, when a replacement
wire is required, the maintenance manual for that
aircraft must first be reviewed to determine if the original aircraft
manufacturer (OAM) has approved any substitution.
If not, then the OAM must be contacted for an acceptable replacement.
So, I suspect that welding cable, while acceptable in a homebuilt, isn't
acceptable to the administrator .... and would make the
aircraft unairworthy.
While I have the option of using welding cable in the RV-10, I used the
MIL-W-22759/16 wire with the Tefzel insulation.
It was the proper thing to do
Linn
>
> Hope this helps,
> Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable |
Please be sure that whatever wire you use does not use the insulation that emits
cyanide gas when it burns. Approved aviation-quality wire doesn't do this,
but some of the wire sold in the 'big box' stores will... This is something the
EAA folks talk about a lot, since experimental aircraft can use pretty much
anything the builder wants... But in this case, what you don't know can kill
you.
James N Parker
Sent from my iPhone
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Some of us will never do facebook.
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumm
an-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary L Vogt
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:18 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Latest findings
I haven't posted on here for a long time. It's waaaay toooo easy to post
on AuCountry Aviation's Facebook page.
Fuel drain: Owner (new customer) comes in and wants me to fix leaking fu
el drains. Both drains installed with Teflon tape. One was installed wi
th fuel tank sealant. Upon removing the fuel drains, I noticed the surfa
ce of the wing. Dented on either side of the drain hole. After removing
the nutplate, I could see the inside of the wing had been scarred from o
ver tightening the drain.
New nose gear side doublers/braces/brackets/whatever they're called with
the nut plate for the nose gear fork obviously mounted about .1 inches of
f from each other.
Lots of stuff happening on Grumman Owners and Pilots Association and AuCo
untry Aviation Facebook pages. Create a fake identity so the NSA won't g
et your information and find out you're storing guns in your fallout shel
ter or harboring fugitives or illegal aliens. Join the fun on Facebook.
And if the offended you, tough it out cowboy.
Gary
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