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1. 01:40 PM - Re: Baffles (Gary L Vogt)
2. 01:44 PM - Re: Gravel runways (Gary L Vogt)
3. 01:46 PM - Re: Baffles (Linn Walters)
4. 01:58 PM - Re: Gravel runways (Linn Walters)
5. 06:36 PM - Re: Gravel runways (Gary L Vogt)
6. 06:37 PM - Re: Baffles (Gary L Vogt)
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I beg to differ.=0A=0AWith few exceptions, the baffles made by the guy in A
laska are quite good. -They aren't cheap.=0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, J
uly 15, 2014 10:52 PM, Dan Baisley <slacktide@gmail.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A
=0Ahttp://www.airforms.biz/- =0A=0A=0AThey are garbage though.- Poor fi
t, and do not conform to the type design.- Baffles are nothing an owner c
an't fabricate with basic tools and attention to detail, based on tracing t
he old parts.=0A=0AKen Blackman an at Air Mods NW has templates for the ori
ginal rubber seals and can make you a set.- There is a technique for inst
alling them- so that they curve in the correct direction to lay nicely wi
th the cowl door. One guy pre-tensions them while the other guy punches hol
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=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:43 PM, <airman@appledumplings.com> wrote:
=0A>There is a guy or sheet metal company that made Baffles for the Tiger.
-I think they where in Alaska or Washington. -Does anyone remember the
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| Subject: | Re: Gravel runways |
Maybe the pics didn't come out good. =C2-The entire bottom of both the el
evator and the stabilizer have gouges that go completely through the skin.
=C2-=0A=0AIf you want to fly into unimproved runways, get a plane designe
d for that.=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:19 AM, Dan Schmitz <Dan.Sch
mitz@calix.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AIf they want to do this, maybe they need
that rubber leading edge covering on the stab.=C2- My Tiger has that and
I=99ve always understood it was for protection on gravel runways.=0A
=C2-=0ADan=0A=C2-=0ATwice in two days two separate customers (Both have
multiple partners owning the plane) have called to tell me one of their pa
rtners has landed on gravel runways. =C2-Both sustained significant damag
e to the horizontal. =C2-One will likely need to be reskinned.=0A=C2-
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Find a Vans RV builder and order the appropriate set of baffles. You'll
need to do some trimming but so did everyone else!
Linn
On 7/16/2014 4:37 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
> I beg to differ.
>
> With few exceptions, the baffles made by the guy in Alaska are quite
> good. They aren't cheap.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:52 PM, Dan Baisley <slacktide@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.airforms.biz/
>
> They are garbage though. Poor fit, and do not conform to the type
> design. Baffles are nothing an owner can't fabricate with basic tools
> and attention to detail, based on tracing the old parts.
>
> Ken Blackman an at Air Mods NW has templates for the original rubber
> seals and can make you a set. There is a technique for installing
> them so that they curve in the correct direction to lay nicely with
> the cowl door. One guy pre-tensions them while the other guy punches
> holes and installs rivets. The preload makes them curl inwards.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:43 PM, <airman@appledumplings.com
> <mailto:airman@appledumplings.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:airman@appledumplings.com>
>
> There is a guy or sheet metal company that made Baffles for the
> Tiger. I think they where in Alaska or Washington. Does anyone
> remember the info on this?
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Thomas
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| Subject: | Re: Gravel runways |
Color me skeptical ..... I doubt that gravel could be flung up with
enough force to actually penetrate the skin. Me thinks something else
did the damage. Look at all the gravel that's been kicked up that only
puts small dents in the leading edge .....
Linn
On 7/16/2014 4:41 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
> Maybe the pics didn't come out good. The entire bottom of both the
> elevator and the stabilizer have gouges that go completely through the
> skin.
>
> If you want to fly into unimproved runways, get a plane designed for that.
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:19 AM, Dan Schmitz <Dan.Schmitz@calix.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> If they want to do this, maybe they need that rubber leading edge
> covering on the stab. My Tiger has that and Ive always understood it
> was for protection on gravel runways.
> Dan
> Twice in two days two separate customers (Both have multiple partners
> owning the plane) have called to tell me one of their partners has
> landed on gravel runways. Both sustained significant damage to the
> horizontal. One will likely need to be reskinned.
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| Subject: | Re: Gravel runways |
he dragged the tail trying to get off the ground. =C2-Cheetah near gross
weight. =C2-High altitude airport.=0A=0ARegardless. =C2-There are too f
ew Grummans as it is. =C2-Be smart. =C2-Let's not do anything that MAY
or may not cause any damage. =C2-It just isn't worth it.=0A=0AWhy would y
ou want to take a plane designed for cross-country cruising into a strip th
at is best left for Cessna 180s?=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:03 P
M, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AColor me skeptic
al ..... I doubt that gravel could be flung up with enough force to actuall
y penetrate the skin.=C2- Me thinks something else did the damage.=C2-
Look at all the gravel that's been kicked up that only puts small dents in
the leading edge ..... =0ALinn=0A=0AOn 7/16/2014 4:41 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote
:=0A=0AMaybe the pics didn't come out good. =C2-The entire bottom of both
the elevator and the stabilizer have gouges that go completely through the
skin. =C2-=0A>=0A>=0A>If you want to fly into unimproved runways, get a
plane designed for that.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:19 AM,
Dan Schmitz <Dan.Schmitz@calix.com> wrote:=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>If they wan
t to do this, maybe they need that rubber leading edge covering on the stab
.=C2- My Tiger has that and I=99ve always understood it was for pro
tection on gravel runways.=0A>=C2-=0A>Dan=0A>=C2-=0A>Twice in two days
two separate customers (Both have multiple partners owning the plane) have
called to tell me one of their partners has landed on gravel runways. =C2
-Both sustained significant damage to the horizontal. =C2-One will like
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Agreed.=0A=0AThe baffles for the Jaguar cowling are based on the RV baffles
. -They have some nice baffles.=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, July 16, 2014 1:50
PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AFind a Vans RV
builder and order the appropriate set of baffles.- You'll need to do some
trimming but so did everyone else!=0ALinn=0A=0AOn 7/16/2014 4:37 PM, Gary
L Vogt wrote:=0A=0AI beg to differ.=0A>=0A>=0A>With few exceptions, the baf
fles made by the guy in Alaska are quite good. -They aren't cheap.=0A>=0A
>=0A>Gary=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:52 PM, Dan Baisley <s
lacktide@gmail.com> wrote:=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>http://www.airforms.biz/- =0A>
=0A>=0A>They are garbage though.- Poor fit, and do not conform to the typ
e design.- Baffles are nothing an owner can't fabricate with basic tools
and attention to detail, based on tracing the old parts.=0A>=0A>Ken Blackma
n an at Air Mods NW has templates for=0A the original
rubber seals and can make you a set.-=0A There is a
technique for installing them- so that=0A they curve
in the correct direction to lay nicely=0A with the co
wl door. One guy pre-tensions them=0A while the other
guy punches holes and installs=0A rivets.- The prelo
ad makes them curl inwards. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:4
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al company that made=0A Baffles for the Tiger. -I
think they where in=0A Alaska or Washington. -Does
anyone remember the=0A info on this?=0A>>=0A>>Thank
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