---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/16/14: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:40 PM - Re: Baffles (Gary L Vogt) 2. 01:44 PM - Re: Gravel runways (Gary L Vogt) 3. 01:46 PM - Re: Baffles (Linn Walters) 4. 01:58 PM - Re: Gravel runways (Linn Walters) 5. 06:36 PM - Re: Gravel runways (Gary L Vogt) 6. 06:37 PM - Re: Baffles (Gary L Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:57 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Baffles I beg to differ.=0A=0AWith few exceptions, the baffles made by the guy in A laska are quite good. -They aren't cheap.=0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, J uly 15, 2014 10:52 PM, Dan Baisley wrote:=0A =0A=0A =0Ahttp://www.airforms.biz/- =0A=0A=0AThey are garbage though.- Poor fi t, and do not conform to the type design.- Baffles are nothing an owner c an't fabricate with basic tools and attention to detail, based on tracing t he old parts.=0A=0AKen Blackman an at Air Mods NW has templates for the ori ginal rubber seals and can make you a set.- There is a technique for inst alling them- so that they curve in the correct direction to lay nicely wi th the cowl door. One guy pre-tensions them while the other guy punches hol es and installs rivets.- The preload makes them curl inwards. =0A=0A=0A =0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:43 PM, wrote: =0A>There is a guy or sheet metal company that made Baffles for the Tiger. -I think they where in Alaska or Washington. -Does anyone remember the info on this?=0A>=0A>Thanks in Advance,=0A>Thomas=0A>=0A>====== ======0A>-=0A>an-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0A>============0A>MS -=0A >k">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>============0A>e - =0A>- - - - --Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A>t="_blank">http://www .matronics.com/contribution=0A>============0A>=0A>=0A ==================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:49 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Gravel runways Maybe the pics didn't come out good. =C2-The entire bottom of both the el evator and the stabilizer have gouges that go completely through the skin. =C2-=0A=0AIf you want to fly into unimproved runways, get a plane designe d for that.=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:19 AM, Dan Schmitz wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AIf they want to do this, maybe they need that rubber leading edge covering on the stab.=C2- My Tiger has that and I=99ve always understood it was for protection on gravel runways.=0A =C2-=0ADan=0A=C2-=0ATwice in two days two separate customers (Both have multiple partners owning the plane) have called to tell me one of their pa rtners has landed on gravel runways. =C2-Both sustained significant damag e to the horizontal. =C2-One will likely need to be reskinned.=0A=C2- ==================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:54 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Baffles Find a Vans RV builder and order the appropriate set of baffles. You'll need to do some trimming but so did everyone else! Linn On 7/16/2014 4:37 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: > I beg to differ. > > With few exceptions, the baffles made by the guy in Alaska are quite > good. They aren't cheap. > > Gary > > > On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:52 PM, Dan Baisley > wrote: > > > http://www.airforms.biz/ > > They are garbage though. Poor fit, and do not conform to the type > design. Baffles are nothing an owner can't fabricate with basic tools > and attention to detail, based on tracing the old parts. > > Ken Blackman an at Air Mods NW has templates for the original rubber > seals and can make you a set. There is a technique for installing > them so that they curve in the correct direction to lay nicely with > the cowl door. One guy pre-tensions them while the other guy punches > holes and installs rivets. The preload makes them curl inwards. > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:43 PM, > wrote: > > > > There is a guy or sheet metal company that made Baffles for the > Tiger. I think they where in Alaska or Washington. Does anyone > remember the info on this? > > Thanks in Advance, > Thomas > > ========== > - > an-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > ========== > MS - > k">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > e - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > *_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http:/t;http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== > > * > > > > > > > > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:23 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Gravel runways Color me skeptical ..... I doubt that gravel could be flung up with enough force to actually penetrate the skin. Me thinks something else did the damage. Look at all the gravel that's been kicked up that only puts small dents in the leading edge ..... Linn On 7/16/2014 4:41 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: > Maybe the pics didn't come out good. The entire bottom of both the > elevator and the stabilizer have gouges that go completely through the > skin. > > If you want to fly into unimproved runways, get a plane designed for that. > > > On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:19 AM, Dan Schmitz > wrote: > > > If they want to do this, maybe they need that rubber leading edge > covering on the stab. My Tiger has that and Ive always understood it > was for protection on gravel runways. > Dan > Twice in two days two separate customers (Both have multiple partners > owning the plane) have called to tell me one of their partners has > landed on gravel runways. Both sustained significant damage to the > horizontal. One will likely need to be reskinned. > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigatoe="rect" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://ff="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri============== > > * > > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:30 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Gravel runways he dragged the tail trying to get off the ground. =C2-Cheetah near gross weight. =C2-High altitude airport.=0A=0ARegardless. =C2-There are too f ew Grummans as it is. =C2-Be smart. =C2-Let's not do anything that MAY or may not cause any damage. =C2-It just isn't worth it.=0A=0AWhy would y ou want to take a plane designed for cross-country cruising into a strip th at is best left for Cessna 180s?=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:03 P M, Linn Walters wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AColor me skeptic al ..... I doubt that gravel could be flung up with enough force to actuall y penetrate the skin.=C2- Me thinks something else did the damage.=C2- Look at all the gravel that's been kicked up that only puts small dents in the leading edge ..... =0ALinn=0A=0AOn 7/16/2014 4:41 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote :=0A=0AMaybe the pics didn't come out good. =C2-The entire bottom of both the elevator and the stabilizer have gouges that go completely through the skin. =C2-=0A>=0A>=0A>If you want to fly into unimproved runways, get a plane designed for that.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:19 AM, Dan Schmitz wrote:=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>If they wan t to do this, maybe they need that rubber leading edge covering on the stab .=C2- My Tiger has that and I=99ve always understood it was for pro tection on gravel runways.=0A>=C2-=0A>Dan=0A>=C2-=0A>Twice in two days two separate customers (Both have multiple partners owning the plane) have called to tell me one of their partners has landed on gravel runways. =C2 -Both sustained significant damage to the horizontal. =C2-One will like ly need to be reskinned.=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>http://www.matronics.com/Na vigatoe="rect" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">ht tp://ff="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ contri=============== =0A>=0A>=0A>No virus fo ============== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:29 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Baffles Agreed.=0A=0AThe baffles for the Jaguar cowling are based on the RV baffles . -They have some nice baffles.=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, July 16, 2014 1:50 PM, Linn Walters wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AFind a Vans RV builder and order the appropriate set of baffles.- You'll need to do some trimming but so did everyone else!=0ALinn=0A=0AOn 7/16/2014 4:37 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:=0A=0AI beg to differ.=0A>=0A>=0A>With few exceptions, the baf fles made by the guy in Alaska are quite good. -They aren't cheap.=0A>=0A >=0A>Gary=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:52 PM, Dan Baisley wrote:=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>http://www.airforms.biz/- =0A> =0A>=0A>They are garbage though.- Poor fit, and do not conform to the typ e design.- Baffles are nothing an owner can't fabricate with basic tools and attention to detail, based on tracing the old parts.=0A>=0A>Ken Blackma n an at Air Mods NW has templates for=0A the original rubber seals and can make you a set.-=0A There is a technique for installing them- so that=0A they curve in the correct direction to lay nicely=0A with the co wl door. One guy pre-tensions them=0A while the other guy punches holes and installs=0A rivets.- The prelo ad makes them curl inwards. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:4 3 PM, wrote:=0A>=0A>--> TeamGrumman-List messag e posted by: airman@appledumplings.com=0A>>=0A>>There is a guy or sheet met al company that made=0A Baffles for the Tiger. -I think they where in=0A Alaska or Washington. -Does anyone remember the=0A info on this?=0A>>=0A>>Thank s in Advance,=0A>>Thomas=0A>>=0A>>============0A>>- =0A>>an-List"=0A target="_blank">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0A>>============0A >>MS -=0A>>k">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>>========= ===0A>>e -=0A>>- - - - --Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A>>t="_b lank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>>========= ===0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http:/t; http://www.matronics.com/contrib== ============= =0A>=0A> =0A>No virus found in this =========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.