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1. 01:40 AM - Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight (Michael Orth)
2. 01:46 AM - Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight (Michael Orth)
3. 07:42 AM - Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight (Dj Merrill)
4. 12:05 PM - Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight (Gary L Vogt)
5. 12:21 PM - Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight (Gary L Vogt)
6. 12:24 PM - Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight (Dj Merrill)
7. 12:48 PM - Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight (Dj Merrill)
8. 05:36 PM - 2014 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle)
9. 09:12 PM - Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight (Jim Parker)
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight |
Good Morning Gary,
Nice write-up.
Thanks and Merry Christmas,
Michael
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From: "Gary L Vogt" <teamgrumman@AOL.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:56 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight
I recently got a subscription to Garmin Pilot and had the chance to use
them side by side while my wife drove on a long cross country drive.
Things happen slowly while driving and it gave me a good opportunity to
use both the Garmin Pilot and Foreflight for the same operation at about
the same location on the ground.
I wrote down my experiences and sent them to Aviation Consumer.
Attached is what I wrote.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight |
Good Morning Brian,
Nice write-up.
Thanks and Merry Christmas,
Michael
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From: <bhauskne@gmail.com>
<teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight
<bhauskne@gmail.com>
>
> Hi Gary,
> Thanks for the review. The Garmin Pilot app is much more
=8Ecapable than you reported. It has the ability to customize
airport and map display that reduces the workload and provides a very
logical flow. You can show weather icons for all airports that report
weather, at a glance. Also winds, temps, and altimeter. Airport info is
one touch away. Includes both quick reference data like frequencies and
runways to full data from AFD. There is a reason for North and center
buttons being separate. I frequently slew the display to see far ahead
without changing the zoom level. One touch and back centered, keeping
north or track up. North arrow allow momentary north up to read chart
notes, without changing the slewed position. You need separate controls.
Charts are readily available and easy to find using split screen. Do you
know this existed? Immediate access to origin and destination airport
charts. Georeferenced as well. The ipad version has other advanced
features that my A!
> ndroid tablet does not have yet.
> Oh, ADS-B In is a welcome addition, plus the 3D backup instruments.
Downside is proprietary hardware, but worth it for the features.
> Finally, Garmin Pilot works with the new Garmin panel hardware to
share flightplans, weather, and =8Etraffic back and forth to a
tablet.
>
> Finally, finally, Garmin Pilot works on Android tablets. Will not use
Apple products. Period.
> Cheers!
>
> Brian Hausknecht
> bhauskne@gmail.com
> Original Message
> From: Gary L Vogt
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:56 PM
> To: Gary L Vogt
> Reply To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight
>
> I recently got a subscription to Garmin Pilot and had the chance to
use them side by side while my wife drove on a long cross country drive.
>
> Things happen slowly while driving and it gave me a good opportunity
to use both the Garmin Pilot and Foreflight for the same operation at
about the same location on the ground.
>
> I wrote down my experiences and sent them to Aviation Consumer.
>
> Attached is what I wrote.
>
> Gary
>
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> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
12/24/14
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight |
Hi Gary,
I note your comment about not being able to find the right hardware
for your preference. Have you considered trying WingX on the iPad? It
allows the use of hardware from several vendors, and is not locked to a
single vendor for add-ons. There are many ADS-B options (and other cool
items as well) that might be a better fit for your needs.
Like you, I am impressed enough with the iPad that it has a
dedicated place on my panel, as the top half of my radio stack in the
Glastar. ADS-B In hardware is a Skyradar D2 receiver with a Levil AHRS
attached, so that the iPad acts as a third attitude display with
synthetic vision as a tertiary backup as well as displaying ADS-B
information (traffic, weather, notams, etc). ADS-B Out is a Trig TT22
transponder. This is a great combination, and is probably the cheapest
way (today) to get full ADS-B In and Out capability.
I've been flying with this setup for several months now, and am
vastly impressed with the capabilities.
-Dj
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Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight |
Brian,
I never said it wasnt capable. What I said was that pilot workload is WAY to high
to accomplish the same tasks I can do with Foreflight. I used both apps to
do the same road trip, updating on-the-fly for turns in the road and looking
at airports, looking at weather, looking at terrain, and everything else Id be
doing if flying.
Garmin pilot requires too much attention to the screen to do updates or changes
to the flight while in flight.
On the other hand, if youre the kind of pilot that stays up at night planning the
flight, checking weather, loading flight plans, filing flight plans for every
flight and never deviating, and doing everything youd expect to do during the
flight ahead of time, then Garmin Pilot is for you. Take all the time you
like. If all you use it for is a moving map, its awesome.
That isnt the kind of flying I do. On my last cross-country flight, I flew across
the Continental Divide using a Garmin 430, Garmin 796, and an iPad with Foreflight.
The challenge was thread my way through all of the passes and be able
to have an out if needed. I really wanted to make the 796 do everything I
wanted. It wasnt going to happen. iPad and Foreflight provided the instant updates
and headings for fine tuning the flight. The 796 was OK, but lacked flexibility
(and I know the 796 really well. Ive been using it for 4 years). The
430 was nearly useless.
So, the next step was Garmin Pilot. It, too, requires too much work to accomplish
the same thing.
I would never use an Android or PC. Period.
Gary
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:30 PM, bhauskne@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Hi Gary,
> Thanks for the review. The Garmin Pilot app is much more capable than you reported.
It has the ability to customize airport and map display that reduces the
workload and provides a very logical flow. You can show weather icons for all
airports that report weather, at a glance. Also winds, temps, and altimeter.
Airport info is one touch away. Includes both quick reference data like frequencies
and runways to full data from AFD. There is a reason for North and center
buttons being separate. I frequently slew the display to see far ahead without
changing the zoom level. One touch and back centered, keeping north or track
up. North arrow allow momentary north up to read chart notes, without changing
the slewed position. You need separate controls. Charts are readily available
and easy to find using split screen. Do you know this existed? Immediate
access to origin and destination airport charts. Georeferenced as well. The ipad
version has other advanced features that my A!
> ndroid tablet does not have yet.
> Oh, ADS-B In is a welcome addition, plus the 3D backup instruments. Downside
is proprietary hardware, but worth it for the features.
> Finally, Garmin Pilot works with the new Garmin panel hardware to share flightplans,
weather, and traffic back and forth to a tablet.
>
> Finally, finally, Garmin Pilot works on Android tablets. Will not use Apple products.
Period.
> Cheers!
>
> Brian Hausknecht
> bhauskne@gmail.com
> Original Message
> From: Gary L Vogt
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:56 PM
> To: Gary L Vogt
> Reply To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight
>
> I recently got a subscription to Garmin Pilot and had the chance to use them
side by side while my wife drove on a long cross country drive.
>
> Things happen slowly while driving and it gave me a good opportunity to use both
the Garmin Pilot and Foreflight for the same operation at about the same location
on the ground.
>
> I wrote down my experiences and sent them to Aviation Consumer.
>
> Attached is what I wrote.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight |
Here is a prototype of my new panel
Gary
> On Dec 24, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Gary,
> I note your comment about not being able to find the right hardware
for your preference. Have you considered trying WingX on the iPad? It
allows the use of hardware from several vendors, and is not locked to a
single vendor for add-ons. There are many ADS-B options (and other cool
items as well) that might be a better fit for your needs.
>
> Like you, I am impressed enough with the iPad that it has a
dedicated place on my panel, as the top half of my radio stack in the
Glastar. ADS-B In hardware is a Skyradar D2 receiver with a Levil AHRS
attached, so that the iPad acts as a third attitude display with
synthetic vision as a tertiary backup as well as displaying ADS-B
information (traffic, weather, notams, etc). ADS-B Out is a Trig TT22
transponder. This is a great combination, and is probably the cheapest
way (today) to get full ADS-B In and Out capability.
>
> I've been flying with this setup for several months now, and am
vastly impressed with the capabilities.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight |
On 12/24/2014 3:04 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
> I would never use an Android or PC. Period.
There are plenty of good programs on the Android platform, so don't
dismiss it so quickly. In my experience, Android is just as, if not
more, stable than the iPad platform, and costs significantly less.
I have a Google Nexus 7 running Avare (a free program) that offers many
of the features as some of the expensive aviation software on the iPad.
For an under-$200 solution, you just can't beat it.
I still prefer WingX on the iPad, but not everyone needs all of the
extra functionality and Avare will do just fine.
http://apps4av.com/avare-overview/
A PC or Mac in the cabin would be a bit unwieldy, and I do not think
would make for a good choice, but there are some small factor hardware
platforms that might work. I'm not sure the software is on par with
Android and iPad, though Voyager from Seattle Avionics probably is the
best of them:
https://www.seattleavionics.com/Voyager.aspx
-Dj
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Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight |
On 12/24/2014 3:20 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
> Here is a prototype of my new panel
Looks good!
While not the greatest pictures, here are a few of my panel retrofit
last spring:
Old panel:
http://deej.net/glastar/pics/panel/Old-Panel/img_2724.jpg
Old vs New:
http://deej.net/glastar/pics/panel/install/photo11.jpg
Almost done:
http://deej.net/glastar/pics/panel/install/photob-3181.jpg
Flight test:
http://deej.net/glastar/pics/panel/install/panel-flight-test1.jpg
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Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Pilot v. Foreflight |
Gary,
FYI, in ForeFlight, after you fill out the flight plan on the "maps" page (either
via the command line entry or by tapping and rubber-banding), you can use the
"send to" icon (the one that looks like a box with an upward-pointing arrow)
to either email someone a copy of your plan, OR to send that plan to the "file
and brief" page. So you do not have to re-key anything you've previously entered
on the maps page, as you reported in your review. Makes it really easy!
Jim Parker
Sent from my iPad Mini
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:56 PM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> I recently got a subscription to Garmin Pilot and had the chance to use them
side by side while my wife drove on a long cross country drive.
>
> Things happen slowly while driving and it gave me a good opportunity to use both
the Garmin Pilot and Foreflight for the same operation at about the same location
on the ground.
>
> I wrote down my experiences and sent them to Aviation Consumer.
>
> Attached is what I wrote.
>
> Gary
>
> <Garmin.v.ForeFlight_03.pdf>
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