---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/04/15: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:49 AM - Fw: Aircraft Spin Tests circa 1979 NASA Aeronautics and Space Report, Langley Resear (Ronald Millman) 2. 11:00 AM - Re: New (Free) Aviation App (gbrasch) 3. 05:55 PM - AA5B vs. AG5B (cannuck) 4. 06:14 PM - Re: AA5B vs. AG5B (Ken Kirk) 5. 06:16 PM - Re: AA5B vs. AG5B (Tom Branton) 6. 09:02 PM - Re: AA5B vs. AG5B (923te@att.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:50 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fwd: Aircraft Spin Tests circa 1979 NASA Aeronautics and Space Report, Langley Resear From: Ronald Millman I will forward this to a few pilots that may not have seen this before. (And for those who have seen this before: remember Barry Schiff's reminder: "Watch thy airspeed, lest the ground arise and smite thee") Especially at low altitude. Ron Millman. On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 12:37 AM, wrote: > *https://youtu.be/Kgzn9zILw6Q * > > > If you forward email, please delete my name & address. Please send > your messages as "blind carbon copies" (bcc) as this helps to reduce > SPAM, VIRUSES & IDENTITY THEFT. > Thank You. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:42 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App From: "gbrasch" Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow, currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Flying 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) Tucson, Arizona Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447637#447637 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:58 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AA5B vs. AG5B From: "cannuck" At the risk of opening a can of worms, can anyone give me the real reasons why AG5B aircraft are slower than AA5B? With my '77 Tiger, I could easily beat book values, but many tell me the new airplanes just won't do that. I am hopefully going to start shopping for another bird soon, and really wanted the extra panel space and 24VDC electrics of the newer airframe, but NOT if it is at the expense of reason #1 to own a Tiger. Also, if slower as claimed, how much? Also, what remedies? -------- AA1 and AA5B former (future?) owner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447679#447679 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5B vs. AG5B From: Ken Kirk AG5B Owner Trying to figure out how fast a Tiger cruises is impossible. You have to understand that folks tell less than the truth about their cruise speed figures. Some folks boast really high cruise speeds but then later you find out that they are flying above red line RPM or have significantly modified the airplane. Prop pitch also makes a difference, do you want a climb or a cruise. Do you have the port and flowed engine, do you have the fancy muffler system... the list goes on and on. I have given up on the subject. My AG5B will cruise at 135 knots. I have the muffler, the port and flowed but a climb prop. I suppose I could get a couple more or 3 knots by going to a cruise prop. On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, cannuck wrote: > > At the risk of opening a can of worms, can anyone give me the real reasons > why AG5B aircraft are slower than AA5B? With my '77 Tiger, I could easily > beat book values, but many tell me the new airplanes just won't do that. > > I am hopefully going to start shopping for another bird soon, and really > wanted the extra panel space and 24VDC electrics of the newer airframe, but > NOT if it is at the expense of reason #1 to own a Tiger. > > Also, if slower as claimed, how much? Also, what remedies? > > -------- > AA1 and AA5B former (future?) owner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447679#447679 > > -- Ken Kirk ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:28 PM PST US From: Tom Branton Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: AA5B vs. AG5B I cannot tell you the reason the AG5B is slower, just the real world results. Before we bought the 2003 AG5B we had a 77 Tiger. It was indeed a faster aircraft. The 2003 will cruise at about 125 knots all day long, certainly slower than the 77 but not by any significant amount. For us, and your mileage may vary, the advantages of the newer aircraft with state of the art avionics (at least state of the art for ten years ago) and modern systems more than makes up for a slower speed. Tom and Kathy N951TE Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab S -------- Original message -------- From: cannuck Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AA5B vs. AG5B At the risk of opening a can of worms, can anyone give me the real reasons why AG5B aircraft are slower than AA5B? With my '77 Tiger, I could easily beat book values, but many tell me the new airplanes just won't do that. I am hopefully going to start shopping for another bird soon, and really wanted the extra panel space and 24VDC electrics of the newer airframe, but NOT if it is at the expense of reason #1 to own a Tiger. Also, if slower as claimed, how much? Also, what remedies? -------- AA1 and AA5B former (future?) owner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447679#447679 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5B vs. AG5B From: 923te@att.net I've owned a couple '76 and a '02 Tiger. I don't think the AG is any slower. AG's airspeed is lndicated in knots... Surely not but Could it be the number is smaller because it's not in mph? Other than that the AG's are most likely heavier and that could make them slower On Oct 4, 2015, at 7:55 PM, cannuck wrote: At the risk of opening a can of worms, can anyone give me the real reasons why AG5B aircraft are slower than AA5B? With my '77 Tiger, I could easily beat book values, but many tell me the new airplanes just won't do that. I am hopefully going to start shopping for another bird soon, and really wanted the extra panel space and 24VDC electrics of the newer airframe, but NOT if it is at the expense of reason #1 to own a Tiger. Also, if slower as claimed, how much? Also, what remedies? -------- AA1 and AA5B former (future?) owner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447679#447679 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.