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1. 11:43 AM - Anybody out there???? (Gary L Vogt)
2. 12:03 PM - Re: Anybody out there???? (Linn Walters)
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| Subject: | Anybody out there???? |
The whole concept of TeamGrumman-List was to provide a forum where owners of Grumman
airplanes (and those interested in Grumman airplanes) could voice there
feelings and thoughts without excessive oversight by the -list administrator.
In 2000 it seemed like a great idea anyway.
I dont know how many times I got kicked off of the Grumman-Gang. The first time
was around 1996 when I sent out a Merry Christmas wish; not Grumman related.
The next time was for forwarding a flying joke; cant forward previous emails
that might contain a virus. Oh, and not grumman related. Then in 2000 (and
a couple of additional boots later), I got kicked off for voicing my opinion on
non-Grumman specific mechanics. Pissed me off really bad. Im a follower of
Thomas Jefferson. Freedom of speech is a big deal to me.
So, I created this list. I felt a forum where pics could be posted and someone
could say what they wanted without getting booted would be a natural. Less government
intervention if you will. I was wrong.
During the ensuing years I lurked on GG under various names. Posted a few times
too. At some point, someone figured out Dave was really me and started posting
such information on the GG. Within a week I was booted off again. By then
I knew it was a personal thing. So, I signed back onto GG under another fake
name and didnt post anything for a long time.
Still, I always thought the TeamGrumman-List would eventually gain traction and
real concerns could be posted without wading through a thousand posts about flaps
or fuel pumps.
So, this is the last post. Ill be closing down the TeamGrumman-List. Future posts
will be to the AuCountry Aviation Facebook page. Most of them have been
to that FB page for a while anyway since its easy to put a lot of pics on FB.
1) Last summer I did a lot of work on N28797. Some of you know that story. The
problem was that I estimated it would take 16 hours to install a EDM 900. Then
the owner wanted new radios. Then he didnt. Then I found automotive wiring
going to a lot of things. I fixed some without authorization. I fixed broken
headphone wires without authorization. My bad. Bottom line was: I didnt present
for approval an updated estimate. I learned that lesson well.
2) I just finished installing an EDM 830. I gave an estimate of 16 hours for it
as well. 16 hours was the standard for all the early 700/800 analyzers. JPI
has added a few features at no extra cost and it takes longer to install. Figure
about 20-22 hours to install the EDM 830.
After the installation, I pulled the plane out to test fly and verify the EDM 830
works. During the startup, the left brake would lose pressure and the pedal
would go to the floor. I shut the engine down, got out and checked for leaks
and found nothing. I crawled under the panel to check for leaks, and found
nothing. I could pump it up and it would hold so I taxied out. Each application
of the left brake required pumping the brake. At the engine runup, the left
brake wen to the floor and I found I had no left brake at all. Pumping it
did nothing. I shut it down again and pulled the plane all the way back to the
hangar. Today Ill bleed the brake and see what happens.
Take care one-and-all. Follow me on Facebook.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody out there???? |
Gary ...... sorry to see teamgrumman end. I, for one, hope you change
your mind. I too, chafe at the rigidness of the GG, but between the two
lists I'm really a happy camper.
I don't do Facebook ..... although I do have an account. It's the
logging on to facebook and having to put up with thousands of 'friend
requests' because I have 'friends' that know 'friends' ...... and so on
..... takes up too much time for me. I'd rather just click on my
emails ..... don't have to do anything else .... and read, whether it's
team grumman, GG, RV and RV-10 lists ..... I enjoy these posts from my
friends. For me, killing teamgrumman will be a big loss ..... and I do
hope you change your mind.
I'm looking forward to Sun-n-Fun and seeing my Grumman friends again.
If you're out on the flightline, stop by the Aerobatic Center and say
hi. If we miss each other, leave me a note when you'll be back again
.... and I'll try and let my chairman know when I'll return. I have my
own golf cart .... my back won't let me walk that much anymore ..... so
if you get in a bind and need a lift call me. 321 794-3989.
Linn
On 3/25/2016 2:42 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
>
> The whole concept of TeamGrumman-List was to provide a forum where owners of
Grumman airplanes (and those interested in Grumman airplanes) could voice there
feelings and thoughts without excessive oversight by the -list administrator.
In 2000 it seemed like a great idea anyway.
>
> I dont know how many times I got kicked off of the Grumman-Gang. The first time
was around 1996 when I sent out a Merry Christmas wish; not Grumman related.
The next time was for forwarding a flying joke; cant forward previous emails
that might contain a virus. Oh, and not grumman related. Then in 2000 (and
a couple of additional boots later), I got kicked off for voicing my opinion
on non-Grumman specific mechanics. Pissed me off really bad. Im a follower
of Thomas Jefferson. Freedom of speech is a big deal to me.
>
> So, I created this list. I felt a forum where pics could be posted and someone
could say what they wanted without getting booted would be a natural. Less
government intervention if you will. I was wrong.
>
> During the ensuing years I lurked on GG under various names. Posted a few times
too. At some point, someone figured out Dave was really me and started posting
such information on the GG. Within a week I was booted off again. By then
I knew it was a personal thing. So, I signed back onto GG under another fake
name and didnt post anything for a long time.
>
> Still, I always thought the TeamGrumman-List would eventually gain traction and
real concerns could be posted without wading through a thousand posts about
flaps or fuel pumps.
>
>
>
> So, this is the last post. Ill be closing down the TeamGrumman-List. Future
posts will be to the AuCountry Aviation Facebook page. Most of them have been
to that FB page for a while anyway since its easy to put a lot of pics on FB.
>
> 1) Last summer I did a lot of work on N28797. Some of you know that story.
The problem was that I estimated it would take 16 hours to install a EDM 900.
Then the owner wanted new radios. Then he didnt. Then I found automotive wiring
going to a lot of things. I fixed some without authorization. I fixed broken
headphone wires without authorization. My bad. Bottom line was: I didnt
present for approval an updated estimate. I learned that lesson well.
>
> 2) I just finished installing an EDM 830. I gave an estimate of 16 hours for
it as well. 16 hours was the standard for all the early 700/800 analyzers.
JPI has added a few features at no extra cost and it takes longer to install.
Figure about 20-22 hours to install the EDM 830.
>
> After the installation, I pulled the plane out to test fly and verify the EDM
830 works. During the startup, the left brake would lose pressure and the pedal
would go to the floor. I shut the engine down, got out and checked for leaks
and found nothing. I crawled under the panel to check for leaks, and found
nothing. I could pump it up and it would hold so I taxied out. Each application
of the left brake required pumping the brake. At the engine runup, the
left brake wen to the floor and I found I had no left brake at all. Pumping it
did nothing. I shut it down again and pulled the plane all the way back to
the hangar. Today Ill bleed the brake and see what happens.
>
> Take care one-and-all. Follow me on Facebook.
>
> Gary
>
>
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