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1. 12:31 AM - Flying without a Sport Pilot License? (Rob Stapleton)
2. 04:09 AM - Re: Flying without a Sport Pilot License? ()
3. 05:06 AM - Re: Flying without a Sport Pilot License? (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
4. 05:25 AM - Fines (Mark Blackwell)
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| Subject: | Flying without a Sport Pilot License? |
--> Ultralight-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
Does anyone know what the penalty is for flying an N numbered Experimental
Motor Glider without a license, or flying an ELSA before you have a Sport
Pilot license? A friend of mine just crashed an N numbered Ex motor glider
and we can't find what the fines will be..! Any help will be really
appreciated by an ultralight pilot who flew and crashed an N numbered
ultralight!
RS
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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| Subject: | Flying without a Sport Pilot License? |
--> Ultralight-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Wait till they hand you the fine and then you'll know.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ultralight-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-ultralight-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Stapleton
Sent: May 12, 2006 3:29 AM
Subject: Ultralight-List: Flying without a Sport Pilot License?
--> Ultralight-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
Does anyone know what the penalty is for flying an N numbered
Experimental
Motor Glider without a license, or flying an ELSA before you have a
Sport
Pilot license? A friend of mine just crashed an N numbered Ex motor
glider
and we can't find what the fines will be..! Any help will be really
appreciated by an ultralight pilot who flew and crashed an N numbered
ultralight!
RS
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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| Subject: | Flying without a Sport Pilot License? |
--> Ultralight-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Second hand story.... heard it a several times from different sources and
they were consistent....
A case in NY where a guy got nailed on a ramp check flying a "fat UL". Once
determined that he was not a legal UL by virtue of one item.... any item
that made his a/c illegal as an ultralight, they got him on every thing
where he was not legal/current. Total of 7 infractions covering both him
and the a/c. At the time, the fines were $1000 per infractions. Believe it
is higher than that now. Not sure exactly what the 7 were but I believe
they included: unregistered a/c; no airworthiness certificate; no current
annual; non-certified operator; no medical; no BFR and ???? (can't remember
the 7th- someone probably does because I think the "7" were supposedly
standard in cases involving fat ULs. Probably no endorsement/sign-off in
type).
In your case, if the plane was legal (registered, air worthiness, current
annual) then he might have to deal only with the others. If the plane had
been converted/registered as a LSA or ELSA, and he has a drivers license
(and never had/lost a 3rd class medical), maybe no medical infraction. If
the plane has not been converted to Sport, medical issue might apply. Worst
case... all 7. Better case... something less than 7. Best case they either
let him go or he goes and talks his way out of some of the infractions
and/or fines.
Good luck!
George
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ultralight-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-ultralight-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob
Stapleton
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 3:29 AM
Subject: Ultralight-List: Flying without a Sport Pilot License?
--> Ultralight-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
Does anyone know what the penalty is for flying an N numbered Experimental
Motor Glider without a license, or flying an ELSA before you have a Sport
Pilot license? A friend of mine just crashed an N numbered Ex motor glider
and we can't find what the fines will be..! Any help will be really
appreciated by an ultralight pilot who flew and crashed an N numbered
ultralight!
RS
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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--> Ultralight-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" <markb1958@verizon.net>
Rob your friend is in an area where so much of it is up to the inspector.
The first place he needs to call is the AOPA. If he isn't a member he needs
to join. The next thing he needs is an aviation attorney. I do it will
expensive enough that it will easily justfiy having an attorney at least
provide advise, if not represent you directly with the FAA. I don't know
amounts, but I personally would be surprised if its less than $10,000 and
getting a ticket now for at least a year is not going to be likely either.
He also becomes responsible for anything else they might happen to find
wrong with the airplane, paperwork or otherwise and of course the ever
present careless and reckless which will also likely be added.
Hope things work out ok.
--> Ultralight-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
Does anyone know what the penalty is for flying an N numbered Experimental
Motor Glider without a license, or flying an ELSA before you have a Sport
Pilot license? A friend of mine just crashed an N numbered Ex motor glider
and we can't find what the fines will be..! Any help will be really
appreciated by an ultralight pilot who flew and crashed an N numbered
ultralight!
RS
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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