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1. 03:47 PM - Re: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question... (Bobby)
2. 04:48 PM - Re: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question... (Roland M)
3. 05:23 PM - Re: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question... (Bobby)
4. 05:37 PM - Re: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question... (Roland M)
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6. 11:04 PM - New, NEW List Digest Format... (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <mrblackc@msn.com>
I had this problem when I had my first 210 eq. I ended up having to get it
replaced, and the Sony service center said the reason it happened was that
too many amps hooked up to the remote output of the eq. Anymore than 2
components require an external relay to be hooked up inline instead of all
of them branching off of the one output. Sounds odd that that would cause
the problem with the output, but the exact same thing happened to mine. The
front right output of my eq wouldn't turn on on system power up, and popped
on after giving the system some gain. Anyways, good luck.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question...
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> My XDP-210EQ has had a small problem ever since I got it (bought used).
> I've read about a similar problem in the Archived messages so maybe
someone
> knows if the fix isn't expensive, or if I'm doing something wrong. (I
hope
> that I didn't somehow get that guy's 210EQ when he upgraded to the 4k or
> something! I think it is a common problem with the 210EQ???)
>
> The RIGHT FRONT channel is often not "ON" when I first turn the HU on.
> (XR-C9100) If I turn the unit off and then on again I get a very light
> "pop/crackle" and then the RF speaker is on. Either that or if I turn the
> volume or adjust the TRE/BASS or adjust the EQ a bit it seems to just
> "kick-in" and start working.
>
> I find this happens mostly when I take the FP off and replace it
(regardless
> of if I hit "off" before taking the FP off or just turning the car off and
> removing it). But recenly I've been getting this happening more than
> before.
>
> The same thing happened with my XR-C900 and the same 210EQ. I was going
to
> return it to the seller when I first got it but he seemed not to know of
the
> problem and since it didn't happen that much I just said forget it and
kept
> it.
>
> The problem isn't that bad but is a bit of an annoyance. Has anyone else
> encountered this problem and what is the cost to fix it? The whole thing
is
> pretty much all solid-state so I don't really know what the problem is.
>
> I'd appreciate any help anyone could give me.
>
> Roland M.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
Too many amps, really? Well I have only 2 amps running right now but I
already have a relay on the remote line (as I will be adding more amps
soon). But the thing is, I don't even USE the amp remote on the 210EQ!!!
The thing is anytime I install more than ONE amp off a remote line on a HU I
always put a relay on there--it's just cheap insurance.
Since I had my amps and HU and everything installed before I even owned the
EQ I just have my amps running off a relay that is run to the HU's amp
remote. The 210EQ's amp remote connection is empty.
Must have been the previous owner that did this--and he told me he never had
such a problem!!! Damnmit! So eventhough I'm always overcautious with the
relays, I guess I have to suffer b/c someone didn't care to be. :(
So your ENTIRE 210EQ had to be replaced?!?!? I guess yours was under
warranty? That doesn't look like the cheap fix I was looking forward too :(
I guess I'm just going to have to live with it then :(
I wonder if I did hook up the amps to the amp remote (with the relay) on the
210EQ instead of the HU if it would make any difference? I know it doesn't
sound like it would have anything to do with it, but maybe if there are NO
amps hooked up it does the same thing? Maybe a long shot but it's worth a
try, I guess.
Roland M.
>From: "Bobby" <mrblackc@msn.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question...
>Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:46:16 -0600
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <mrblackc@msn.com>
>
>I had this problem when I had my first 210 eq. I ended up having to get it
>replaced, and the Sony service center said the reason it happened was that
>too many amps hooked up to the remote output of the eq. Anymore than 2
>components require an external relay to be hooked up inline instead of all
>of them branching off of the one output. Sounds odd that that would cause
>the problem with the output, but the exact same thing happened to mine.
>The
>front right output of my eq wouldn't turn on on system power up, and popped
>on after giving the system some gain. Anyways, good luck.
>
>Bobby
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question...
>
>
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> >
> > My XDP-210EQ has had a small problem ever since I got it (bought used).
> > I've read about a similar problem in the Archived messages so maybe
>someone
> > knows if the fix isn't expensive, or if I'm doing something wrong. (I
>hope
> > that I didn't somehow get that guy's 210EQ when he upgraded to the 4k or
> > something! I think it is a common problem with the 210EQ???)
> >
> > The RIGHT FRONT channel is often not "ON" when I first turn the HU on.
> > (XR-C9100) If I turn the unit off and then on again I get a very light
> > "pop/crackle" and then the RF speaker is on. Either that or if I turn
>the
> > volume or adjust the TRE/BASS or adjust the EQ a bit it seems to just
> > "kick-in" and start working.
> >
> > I find this happens mostly when I take the FP off and replace it
>(regardless
> > of if I hit "off" before taking the FP off or just turning the car off
>and
> > removing it). But recenly I've been getting this happening more than
> > before.
> >
> > The same thing happened with my XR-C900 and the same 210EQ. I was going
>to
> > return it to the seller when I first got it but he seemed not to know of
>the
> > problem and since it didn't happen that much I just said forget it and
>kept
> > it.
> >
> > The problem isn't that bad but is a bit of an annoyance. Has anyone
>else
> > encountered this problem and what is the cost to fix it? The whole
>thing
>is
> > pretty much all solid-state so I don't really know what the problem is.
> >
> > I'd appreciate any help anyone could give me.
> >
> > Roland M.
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <mrblackc@msn.com>
Who know's give it a try. The worst that could happen is that it doesn't
work. Oh, and yes, it was under warranty, and ended up getting a brand new
eq out of the deal. That was okay with me! My only other opinion is, you
may not want to let the problem go forever. It only got worse for me, and I
had HU problems along with it too. That, and a speaker popping in like that
could end up blowing it. I don't know how spendy it would be to get it
fixed, but you could give Sony a call, they can pretty much tell you what
the repair would cost. That and you only have 7 years after the product was
discontinued before they stop supplying parts. Just a thought.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question...
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> Too many amps, really? Well I have only 2 amps running right now but I
> already have a relay on the remote line (as I will be adding more amps
> soon). But the thing is, I don't even USE the amp remote on the 210EQ!!!
> The thing is anytime I install more than ONE amp off a remote line on a HU
I
> always put a relay on there--it's just cheap insurance.
>
> Since I had my amps and HU and everything installed before I even owned
the
> EQ I just have my amps running off a relay that is run to the HU's amp
> remote. The 210EQ's amp remote connection is empty.
>
> Must have been the previous owner that did this--and he told me he never
had
> such a problem!!! Damnmit! So eventhough I'm always overcautious with
the
> relays, I guess I have to suffer b/c someone didn't care to be. :(
>
> So your ENTIRE 210EQ had to be replaced?!?!? I guess yours was under
> warranty? That doesn't look like the cheap fix I was looking forward too
:(
>
> I guess I'm just going to have to live with it then :(
>
> I wonder if I did hook up the amps to the amp remote (with the relay) on
the
> 210EQ instead of the HU if it would make any difference? I know it
doesn't
> sound like it would have anything to do with it, but maybe if there are NO
> amps hooked up it does the same thing? Maybe a long shot but it's worth a
> try, I guess.
>
> Roland M.
>
>
> >From: "Bobby" <mrblackc@msn.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question...
> >Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:46:16 -0600
> >
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <mrblackc@msn.com>
> >
> >I had this problem when I had my first 210 eq. I ended up having to get
it
> >replaced, and the Sony service center said the reason it happened was
that
> >too many amps hooked up to the remote output of the eq. Anymore than 2
> >components require an external relay to be hooked up inline instead of
all
> >of them branching off of the one output. Sounds odd that that would
cause
> >the problem with the output, but the exact same thing happened to mine.
> >The
> >front right output of my eq wouldn't turn on on system power up, and
popped
> >on after giving the system some gain. Anyways, good luck.
> >
> >Bobby
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> >To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question...
> >
> >
> > > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > My XDP-210EQ has had a small problem ever since I got it (bought
used).
> > > I've read about a similar problem in the Archived messages so maybe
> >someone
> > > knows if the fix isn't expensive, or if I'm doing something wrong. (I
> >hope
> > > that I didn't somehow get that guy's 210EQ when he upgraded to the 4k
or
> > > something! I think it is a common problem with the 210EQ???)
> > >
> > > The RIGHT FRONT channel is often not "ON" when I first turn the HU on.
> > > (XR-C9100) If I turn the unit off and then on again I get a very
light
> > > "pop/crackle" and then the RF speaker is on. Either that or if I turn
> >the
> > > volume or adjust the TRE/BASS or adjust the EQ a bit it seems to just
> > > "kick-in" and start working.
> > >
> > > I find this happens mostly when I take the FP off and replace it
> >(regardless
> > > of if I hit "off" before taking the FP off or just turning the car off
> >and
> > > removing it). But recenly I've been getting this happening more than
> > > before.
> > >
> > > The same thing happened with my XR-C900 and the same 210EQ. I was
going
> >to
> > > return it to the seller when I first got it but he seemed not to know
of
> >the
> > > problem and since it didn't happen that much I just said forget it and
> >kept
> > > it.
> > >
> > > The problem isn't that bad but is a bit of an annoyance. Has anyone
> >else
> > > encountered this problem and what is the cost to fix it? The whole
> >thing
> >is
> > > pretty much all solid-state so I don't really know what the problem
is.
> > >
> > > I'd appreciate any help anyone could give me.
> > >
> > > Roland M.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
Thanks for the advice...
I doubt the pop will do anything to the speaker because it is VERY light,
pretty much just like FM static and it only occurs when I press OFF and then
SOURCE to get it going. When it comes on by itself the pop is even
lighter...
As for the repair, well there are lots of ICs, capacitors, resistors,
diodes, etc. listed for the 210EQ parts... Dunno if they could just replace
any one component (or multiple components) to make it work again.
Other than that, the repair will likely cost way more than I paid for it! I
paid ~$150 for it (shipped, with an optical cable and the XA-D210 adapter so
not that bad of a deal). That is around the range they go for on eBay most
of the time, sometimes even less. The Main PCB is listed at $449!!!
Probably b/c the unit's retail was so high. For that price I might as well
buy a 4000X!
Roland M.
>From: "Bobby" <mrblackc@msn.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question...
>Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:22:05 -0600
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <mrblackc@msn.com>
>
>Who know's give it a try. The worst that could happen is that it doesn't
>work. Oh, and yes, it was under warranty, and ended up getting a brand new
>eq out of the deal. That was okay with me! My only other opinion is, you
>may not want to let the problem go forever. It only got worse for me, and
>I
>had HU problems along with it too. That, and a speaker popping in like
>that
>could end up blowing it. I don't know how spendy it would be to get it
>fixed, but you could give Sony a call, they can pretty much tell you what
>the repair would cost. That and you only have 7 years after the product
>was
>discontinued before they stop supplying parts. Just a thought.
>
>Bobby
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dremgragen ." <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
Hell yeah!
*start chant*
4000X! 4000X! 4000X! 4000X! 4000X! 4000X! 4000X!
*/end chant*
;-)
From: "Roland M" <MDX400@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question...
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <MDX400@HOTMAIL.COM>
Thanks for the advice...
I doubt the pop will do anything to the speaker because it is VERY light,
pretty much just like FM static and it only occurs when I press OFF and then
SOURCE to get it going. When it comes on by itself the pop is even
lighter...
As for the repair, well there are lots of ICs, capacitors, resistors,
diodes, etc. listed for the 210EQ parts... Dunno if they could just replace
any one component (or multiple components) to make it work again.
Other than that, the repair will likely cost way more than I paid for it! I
paid ~$150 for it (shipped, with an optical cable and the XA-D210 adapter so
not that bad of a deal). That is around the range they go for on eBay most
of the time, sometimes even less. The Main PCB is listed at $449!!!
Probably b/c the unit's retail was so high. For that price I might as well
buy a 4000X!
Roland M.
From: "Bobby" <MRBLACKC@MSN.COM>
Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
To: <XDP4000X-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Problem and Question...
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:22:05 -0600
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <MRBLACKC@MSN.COM>
Who know's give it a try. The worst that could happen is that it doesn't
work. Oh, and yes, it was under warranty, and ended up getting a brand new
eq out of the deal. That was okay with me! My only other opinion is, you
may not want to let the problem go forever. It only got worse for me, and
I
had HU problems along with it too. That, and a speaker popping in like
that
could end up blowing it. I don't know how spendy it would be to get it
fixed, but you could give Sony a call, they can pretty much tell you what
the repair would cost. That and you only have 7 years after the product
was
discontinued before they stop supplying parts. Just a thought.
Bobby
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
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o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
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From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
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URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
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