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1. 01:44 PM - Re: Sony stuff.... (Jim Serwinowski)
2. 02:00 PM - Re: Sony stuff.... (Doug Dobson)
3. 02:31 PM - Re: New products (Jamie Hanrahan)
4. 08:25 PM - List of Contributors #1 - A Special Thank You... (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Sony stuff.... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Jim Serwinowski <jrs1@buffalo.edu>
Would anyone happen to know any specs on the old XES-M1 amplifier like
how many watts per channel, etc.? I'm not able to find much on the web.
-Jim
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Roland M wrote:
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> Well the XES gear was discontinued a while back, AFAIK. I think it was
> still available the first year Xplod was released but after that I think it
> was history. They were great units but VERY expensive to buy new. The
> XDP-4000X was pretty much on par or better than the XES processor the P1.
>
> <snip>
>
> Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: Sony stuff.... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson@chartermi.net>
XES M-1 was rated at 60x2 into 4ohms 20Hz to 25kHz @ .02 %thd
or 90x2 into 2 ohms at .08% and 110x2 into 1 ohm at .1%thd
>105 dBA S/N ratio
>90 dBA chan seperation
>200 damping factor
this was a dual mono amp and was not designed to be bridged they referred
to them as frequency optimizes and this one was for the mids and highs
Hope this helps
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Jamie Hanrahan" <jeh@cmkrnl.com>
In the faint chance that anybody from Sony, or from anywhere, is
watching...
Here's my "wish list" for a C90 replacement.
--- Jamie Hanrahan
DISPLAY AND FRONT PANEL
Priority 1: Make it readable in ordinary lighting, even while driver is
wearing sunglasses.
Note: The display on the XDP-766EQ was just fine. Why not use that
design? Too easy?
Fix the color selection problem so that "amber" and "green" match the
XDP-766EQ. As it is, you get to have amber buttons on the C90 and a
green-backlit LCD and buttons on the 766, or vice versa. Ok, so the
766EQ is an older piece... but was this really that difficult to get
right? Was Sony trying to DISCOURAGE use of the 766EQ with the C90?
The backlight on the display window, and the knob, and the rotary wired
remote should all match the green/amber selection; they should not be
always blue.
It is ok to have blue, red, green, amber, and combinations of those as
options (as on one current Sony HU), so long as the primary goal
(readability) is maintained and everything changes color to match. In
this case though we'd need a way to send a different color command
"downstream" to the 766EQ, since it's limited to amber or green.
I don't like the current HUs with just six preset/disc select buttons.
I like ten buttons. There are ten discs in the changer; there should
therefore be ten buttons on the head unit. I don't like FM and AM
presets in groups of six either. Ten are better. (and 18 FM/12 AM are
not as good as 20 FM/10 AM.) Ten buttons also allows the possibility of
using them for direct entry of numbers (like radio frequencies).
Do not waste ANY panel space on animations, icons representing CDs or
radio broadcasts, etc., etc. This is a high-end unit we're talking
about. It should have a professional appearance... more like a
Tektronix oscilloscope, or a Yaesu or Icom communications receiver, or
an aircraft instrument than a boombox.
On second thought... why pick just one "look and feel? These ARE
easily-swappable faceplates after all! Why not have a VARIETY of
faceplates -- one for the folks who want a big moving-pictures display,
one for those of us who loved the "no-nonsense" look of pre-Unilink
days, one that looks right at home amidst the fake burlwood and fake
plasticky chrome of a Buick, and so on?
And, put all the unit's "intelligence" in the faceplate. The next time
something like XM comes along that needs extensions to the Unilink
protocol, well, at worst it should require a faceplate swap.
Don't even think about wasting panel space on a Memory Stick slot.
AM/FM TUNER
Provide an easy-to-get-to mode -- perhaps pressing it for a full second
-- for the big round knob that allows that knob to be used as a rotary
manual tuning knob. (Even Sony's new units that have TWO knobs don't
provide for this! How basic can you get?) The procedure for using the
skip up/skip down buttons for manual tuning is just a nightmare, esp if
you're trying to tune to a weak station that's next to a strong local.
It is ok to need a "mode shift" to get to this function, but it isn't ok
to leave it out.
While we're in "manual rotary tuning" mode, i.e. anytime the knob is a
manual tuning knob, the ten buttons should be usable for direct
frequency entry. e.g. if I want to go to 105.1, I press in the knob for
a full second, key 1 0 5 1 , done.
Provide "beep" feedback for these sorts of "important mode changes." I
usually set my HU to "beep off", but it would be better to have three
options for front panel beeps: FUll off, full on, and an intermediate
mode where it beeps only for things like shift to manual tuning mode,
preset store confirm, and so on - things you can't otherwise hear.
Get the "BTM" (best tuner memory) function off of the front panel! Or
at least require that it be held down for two seconds to activate it.
It pains me no end to hit that by accident and then have to go through
and reset all of my presets - esp since setting them is so difficult
without the "tuning knob" feature!
Use the button thus freed for something else. Like IF filter selection
on the front panel. Provide three options here, "wide", "narrow", and
"auto". This should not require digging into the menus.
Re FM stereo modes, this should have "mono", "auto", and (forced)
"stereo" modes.
Provide "preset scan" and "band scan" functions. These would play each
preset, or each "found" frequency, for four seconds or so before
automatically moving on to the next one. Great for driving through
unfamiliar areas, looking for traffic info, or etc. I had both of these
features in a factory stock car HU, circa 1982. Any decent scanner
radio can do both of these. The Sony ICF-2010 shortwave radio can do
it. Why can't Sony do it in their hihg-end HUs?
Speaking of driving through unfamiliar areas - RBDS.
FM muting should be controllable, independently of the Stereo mode. If
I want to hear interstation hiss while I manually tune for stations
(with a knob), that's my business.
Provide switchable wide/narrow IF filters for AM as well. Narrow should
be NARROW, about 3 kHz wide at most, just enough for clearly audible
voice. Speaking of which, Sony had an excellent AM section in the
ICF-2010; use that.
Provide an adjustable timeout on the "antenna down" function when
switching away from the tuner. More than once I've hit "source" instead
of "mode" and the antenna promptly starts on its way down; then I hit
"source" again and it goes back up. Annoying. It should wait a few
seconds at least to give me a chance to change my mind. An infinite
timeout -- i.e. "leave it up once it's up, as long as the HU is turned
on" -- should be available if I want that.
Provide additional banks of presets. I regularly drive between San
Diego, LA, and San Francisco and 20 FM/10 AM are just about enough for
San Diego alone. This should be done via a "sets of banks" concept, so
I could have a San Diego set, a Los Angeles set, etc., and quickly
switch between them.
Provide a "locale" scheme associated with station name memory. For
example, in San Diego, 91.1 is XETRA, an "alternative rock" station,
while in the SF Bay area it's KCSM, an excellent jazz station. Well,
there ought to be a way to set up separate sets of station name memories
for each of, say, ten "locales".
But I should also be able to designate some station names as
"universal". For example, Los Angeles's AM 640 (KFI, 50,000 watts on a
clear channel at night, readable in Seattle, Phoenix, and Salt Lake City
to my certain knowledge) isn't going to change anywhere I'm likely to
drive. So these "banks of channel names" could be switched along with
the preset banks, and anything named in "channel name bank 1" but not in
other channels would show up regardless of the selected channel name
bank.
More than one "preset locale bank" and "channel name bank" should be
able to be active at one time. In the north part of San Diego, or the
south part of Los Angeles, it's easy to hear stations from "the other
city".
Frequencies in each channel name bank should be tag-able for SKIPPING
during seek or scan functions whenever that bank is active. That way I
can tag, for example, the Spanish-language and country western stations
here in San Diego and so when my "locale" is set to "san diego" the
tuner's scan or seek function would never stop on them. But this MUST
be "locale based" so when I'm in, say, the Bay Area, I'm not precluded
from searching to those freqs.
MX built in (should need only an add-on antenna)... if it still exists
by the time this dream HU ships!
And of course, it should be compatible with the new digital FM and AM
broadcast stuff too.
CD PLAYBACK
There really isn't much to add here. However, a built-in AND UPDATEABLE
CDDB database would allow display of CD, artist, and track title info
even on CDs not carrying CD-text. This should work with discs played in
changers as well as in the HU.
MP3 PLAYBACK
Ok, the C90 was designed long before MP3s were an issue, so it's not
surprising that it doesn't do them well. But there's no excuse for the
next unit. I've tried Sony's current expensive (I won't call them "High
end") head units in stores, with an MP3 disc in their drives, and at
best I'd describe them as "an ok start". So...
Use the dotmatrix display (with compatible changer) to allow meaningful
navigation of directory trees. A single MP3 CD can hold around 10
albums, well over a hundred songs, maybe more than 200 depending on
length and bit rate. All you have for navigation on the C90 are
Next/prev track controls. The next/prev "album" (directory) controls on
the current Sony HUs are barely adequate.
The MP3-capable changer should be able to read and play MP3 files from
writeable DVD media as well as from writeable CD. One ten-disc changer
could thus hold almost 50 GB of MP3s. But with 50 or so albums per disc
we'll definitely need something a lot better than "next/prev album"
controls; some sort of navigation, with visibility of more than just
"the current one", is essential. Changer should have digital audio out
for connection to the 4000X.
Fully support VBR, 320 kbs, ID3V1/V2, etc., MP3s. Test with MP3s made
by several different encoders. Supporting other formats (OGG, Monkey's
Audio, WMA) as well.
MP3s in a given directory should be played in order according to the
"track number" in their ID3 tags, if such tags are present. Fall back
to alphanumeric sequence by file name only if these tags are absent.
Use dot matrix display to display current directory name, artist name,
and song title name on separate lines. The "album number", track
number, and elapsed time are really not that important and don't need
big bold numbers. Better yet, have an option to step through various
display arrangements. Or to make them user-configurable.
GENERAL
Build in the "dynamic range suppression" feature of the XD-766EQ. The
"DRS level" should be selectable by source, so it could be less
aggressive or even turned off for FM and AM, which are already
compressed heavily. In fact a dynamic range EXPANDER for AM and FM
might be a nice idea (something like the old dbx 4bx).
A few features have been added to current Sony HUs that I'd hate to see
dropped:
- The ability to skip various sources in the Source or Mode rotation.
If I never listen to AM it's good to not have to step through AM when
going from FM2 to FM1. Similarly if there's nothing connected to the
"aux lite" input.
- Speaking of which, the "Aux lite" input is much appreciated. It's
crazy to spend $$$ for a top-end HU and then be asked to pay $100 for an
aux input!
EVERY changer should follow the lead of the XM tuner, XA-107 line input
adapter, etc.: Changers should have a built-in "passthrough" connection
permitting connection of a downstream device. Just as with the aux
input, it is crazy to spend top $ on a HU, a few hundred on a changer, a
few hundred more on a SECOND changer, and then have to spend ANOTHER
hundred on a "multi-changer adapter." Not to mention finding a space to
mount the adapter! The "passthrough" connection could be built into
each changer for about ten dollars additional on the retail price.
Provide an adequate battery backup, or better yet store everything in
flash RAM, so I don't lose all my settings when the car battery is
disconnected for servicing.
Upgradeable firmware. Two years from now it would be great to be able
to download a new firmware image onto a CD-R, put it in the HU, and get
the latest set of bug fixes, new features, support for a new class of
"peripherals," etc.
(I expect this one least of all. It is like pulling hen's teeth to get
BIOS updates, updated drivers, etc., out of Sony for their COMPUTERS.
Their attitude seems to be "oh, we shipped that product, it's done."
But consider how many complaints about the C90 could have been fixed by
an "upgraded", more readable, less-heat-sensitive faceplate; if Sony had
done this it would probably still be selling. As it is, a couple of
dealers I know recc'd me away from the C90 due to readability concerns.)
(end)
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| Subject: | List of Contributors #1 - A Special Thank You... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
First let me say Thank You to everyone that made a Contribution in support
of the Lists this year! I was particularly touched by all of the wonderful
comments people made regarding the Lists and how much they mean to
them. As I have said many times before, running these Lists and creating
the many new features is truly a labor of love. This is why your comments
of support and appreciation have particular meaning for me. Your
generosity during this time of List support only underscores the delightful
sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
The money raised during this year's Fund Raiser will go directly into
supporting the continued operation of the Lists as well as some much needed
upgrades. For example, I have just ordered three new UPS systems to
replaced the currently failing and out-of-warranty older units. These new
units will provide well over 3 hours of backup protection during an outage
and assure that the computer systems will be shutdown in a safe and orderly
fashion. I have also ordered a new backup system that will provide 60 days
of on line, daily backups for all of systems supporting the List
services. This regular backup capability serves to rigorously protect
against the inevitable system disk failure or the (not-so) "unlikely"
errant event of the rogue "rm *" command...(!) Last year, using resources
generated by the Fund Raiser, I was able to upgrade the Web server
platform, greatly enhancing the performance of the many services such as
the Archive Search Engine, as well as increasing the system reliability
through newer equipment. During the upcoming year, using Contributions
from this year's Fund Raiser, I hope to upgrade the Email System in a
similar fashion, providing Listers with substantial increases in
performance and availability. Know that all of these enhancements are
remotely feasible ONLY because of your generosity during the List Fund
Raiser. For this, both I, and the rest of the List population thank you!
I would also once again like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) who so generously supported this year's
Fund Raiser with both free and substantially discounted merchandise!! Andy
is truly one of a kind, and a superb businessman, and I cannot thank him
enough for all that he's done! If you have any aircraft media needs in the
near future, I would ask that you please give his great web site a
look. Thanks again Andy, for all your support!
And finally, below you will find the 2002 List of Contributors current as
of 12/3/02! Have a look at the list of names there as these are the people
that make all of the services here possible! I can't thank you all enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU!
I will post a follow up List of Contributors at the end of the month to
catch any straggles or people who mailed in checks. There are still a few
of the various Free Gifts left, so please feel free to yet make your
Contribution and get a great Free Gift to-boot! Once again, the URL for
the Contributions web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I will be shipping out the CDROM-Only orders later this week. The
remaining Flight Bag-Only and all of the Flight Bag & CDROM orders will
ship out as soon as I receive the second shipment of flight bags. The A&P
Book orders will go out later this month. I will post again regarding the
actual shipment of the various items.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
------------------- 2002 List of Contributors #1 -----------------
Adams, Brian
Adams, Robert
Addington, James
Alber, John
Alexander, Don
Alexander, George
Allen, George
Altenhein, Gary
Amundsen, Blair
Amundson, John
Andrepont, Dirk
Andrews, Myles
Applefeld, Gerald
Armstrong, Christopher
Aronson, David
Ashton, Kent
Aspegren, Roger
Atkinson, Harold
Austin, David
Awad, Ihab
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Baker, Jim
Baker, Owen
Ballenger, Jim
Barnes, Thomas
Bartrim, S.Todd
Basiliere, Rick
Bassette, Richard
Bataller, Gary
Batte, W.Granville
Bean, James
Bean, Robert
Beard, Harley
Bell, Bruce
Benham, Dallas
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonnie
Bergeron, Daniel
Bergner, Lee
Bernard, William
Bernier, Jim
Bertelli, John
Bertrand, Carl
Beusch, Andre
Bidle, Jerry
Bieber, Michael
Bieberdorf, Roger
Billing, Ernie
Binzer, Robert
Bird, Carroll
Blahnick, Drew
Blake, J.I.
Blake, Peter
Blomgren, Jack
Boardman, Don
Bockelman, David
Boede, Jon
Bolduc, Richard
Bona, Skip
Bonesteel, Wayne
Bookout, Ralph
Booze, Greg
Borduas, Eric
Boucher, Michel
Bourne, Larry
Bowen, Larry
Bowman, John
Boyter, Wayne
Brame, Charles
Brandon, John
Branstrom, Dan
Brasch, Glenn
Brick, John
Bridges, Glenn
Bridgham, David
Briggs, Tracy
Brocious, Bob
Bromka, Alan
Bronson, Tim
Brooks, Chris
Brooks, John
Brooks, Kenyon
Brooks, William
Broomell, Glenn
Brown, Robert
Buchanan, Sam
Buchmann, Kenneth
Buess, Alfred
Bulot, Larry
Burg, H.R.
Burks, Terrell
Burton, Charlie
Burton, James
Bush, Jerome
Butcher, Ronald
Butler, Francis
Calhoun, Ron
Calloway, Terry
Calvert, Jerry
Cameron, Todd
Cann, Tony
Cantrell, Jimmy
Capen, Ralph
Capestany, Phillip
Carey, Christopher
Carillon, John
CarillonSr., Paul
Carlisle, O.
Carroll, Randy
Carter, Ron
Casey, Jeremy
Challgren, Stanley
Champaign, Philip
Chandler, Charles
Chapman, Tom
Chapple, Glen
Checkoway, Dan
Chesterman, Dave
Christie, Bill
Clark, James
Clark, John
Clinchy, David
Cochran, Stewart
Coffey, John
Cohen, Philip
Coldenhoff, Tim
Cole, Gary
Coley, Howard
Collins, Leland
Colucci, Tony
Comfort, Gordon
Compton, Scott
Condon, Philip
Connell, Joseph
Cook, Craig
Cooper, James
Corbalis, Leo
Corbett, Corky&Isabelle
Corder, Michael
Corriveau, Grant
Cotton, David
Coulter, Annette
Coulter, Carl
Counselman, William
Coursey, William
Cox, Ronald
Craig, John
Cretsinger, Will
Crisp, Steve
Croke, Jon
Crosby, Harry
Crosley, Richard
Cruikshank, Bruce
Cullen, Chuck
Cummings, Tom
Currie, Robert
Dalstrom, Douglas
Dalziel, Donald
Danclovic, Paul
Daniels, Jim
Dascomb, George
Daudt, Larry
Davidson, Jeff
Davis, Jared
Davis, John
Davis, Joseph
Davis, Mark
Davis, Terry
Dawson, Clif
Dawson, William
Day, Jack
Desimone, D.A., Dr
Desimone, David
Desmond, Richard
Devaney, Robert
Diehl, Donald
Dilatush, John
Dionne, Bruno
Dobson, Russell
Dodge, Larry
Donald, Woods
Dondlinger, Leo
Douglas, Lyle
Dresden, Robert
Driscoll, Patrick
Driver, Stuart
Dudley, Richard
Dupon, William
Dupuis, Real
Durr, Wendell
DuVe, Chris
Eagleston, Ron
Eaves, Donald
Eberhart, Steven
Ebsen, Kevin
Eckel, John
Eckenroth, Paul
Edwards, Bruce
Elder, William
Elia, Pete
Ellenberger, Mike
Ellis, Dale
Ervin, Thomas
Erwin, Chip
Escobar, Luis
Esterhuizen, Deon
Evans, Marion
Evans, Walt
Faatz, Mitch
Fackler, Ken
Fair, William
Faris, Kevin
Farley, David
Fasching, John
Fay, John
Feldmann, Stephen
Ferguson, Jay
Finley, John
Fishe, James
Fitzpatrick, Robert
Flamini, Dennis
Foerster, James
Fondevila, Gabriel
Fox, Byron
Fraser, Angus
Fray, Jerry
Frazier, Ford
Freeman, James
Fricke, Walt
Frisby, James
Fromm, John
Frost, George
Fry, John
Frye, Dwight
Frymire, Terry
Fulgham, Bill
Fulmer, Joseph
Fung, Sean
Gardner, Albert
Garner, John
Garrou, Douglas
Gassmann, Andrew
Gates, Leo
Genzlinger, Reade
George, William
German, Mark
Gherkins, Tim
Gibbons, Chip
Gilbert, Mark
Gillespie, R.L.
Gillies, Patty
Glasgow, Steve
Glass, Roy
Goble, Loren
Golden, Dennis
Gonzalez, Manuel
Good, Chris
Gordon, Keith
Gott, Shelby
Goudinoff, Peter
Grabb, Gary
Graham, W.Doyce
Grajek, Al
Graumlich, Thomas
Graumlich, Tom
Grebe, David
Green, Roger
Green, Steven
Greene, Tim
Grentzer, Edward
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, Robert
Guidroz, Thomas
Gummo, Thomas
Gustafson, Aaron
Guthrie, Mark
Haertlein, Frank
Hallsten, Keith
Hallsten, Kent
Hamer, Steve
Hancock, Barry
Hand, Chris
Hankins, Roger
Hanrahan, Jamie
Hansen, Richard
Hanson, Kevin
Hardaway, Mike
Harding, Scott
Hargis, Merle
Harman, Richard
Harmon, John
Harmon, Loren
Harrill, Ken
Harris, John
Harris, Richard
Hart, Daniel
Hart, Jack
Hartl, Paul
Hartselle, Richard
Hartson, Wesley
Hartwig, Richard
Harvey, Dale
Hasper, Jim
Hatch, Pat
Hatcher, Clive
Hatfield, Cecil
Hauck, John
Hawkins, Harry
Hawkins, Larry
Hebb, Loman
Hegler, Freddie
Heisey, Adriel
Henderson, Neil
Herminghaus, John
Herren, William
Herrick, David
Hibbing, William
Hickman, Robert
Hill, Jeff
Hill, Kenneth
Hill, Stanley
Himes, Joe
Himsl, Vincent
Hinrichsen, James
Hodge, Jack
Hodgson, Bob
Hoffman, Allan
Hoffman, Carl
Hoffman, Curtis
Hoffmann, Thomas
Holifield, Stephen
Hooper, Randy
Hoover, Ralph
Hornick, Paul
Horton, Dan
Horton, Kevin
Hubbard, Eugene
Huft, John
Hughes, Robert
Hulen, Fred
Humbert, Robert
Hunger, Norman
Hunsicker, Greg
Hunt, Jim
Hunt, Robin
Hurlbut, Steve
Hutchinson, Harold
Hutchison, Tom
Iii, Henry,
Inman, George
Isaacs, Robert
Isler, Jerry
Jackson, Scott
Jamieson, Richard
Jan, Dejong
Jannakos, Gregory
Jenkins, John
Jensen, Marinus
Jessen, John
Jewell, Jim
Johannsson, Johann
Johnson, Bob
Johnson, Brian
Johnson, Delbert
Johnson, Kerry
Johnson, Lance
Johnson, Murray
Johnson, Richard
Johnson, Steve
Jones, Alvin
Jones, Kevin
Joosten, Craig
Jordan, Don
Jordan, John
Jory, Rick
Jungjr, Johnr
Kahn, Steve
Kaluza, Charles
Karmy, Andrew
Karpinski, Arthur
Kayner, Dennis
Kelley, Jim
Kelley, Patrick
Kellum, Mark
Kempthorne, Hal
Kent, John
Kirby, David
Kleen, Chris & Indira
Knoepflein, Shannon
Knoll, Bruce
Kohn, Carl
Koonce, R.L.
Kovac, Harold
Kowalski, Bruce
Kramer, Ed
Kritzman, Alan
Krok, Peter
Kuntz, Paul
Kuss, Charles
Kwitek, Marty
Kyle, Fegus
Lackwitz, Ray
Laird, Dave
Laird, David
Lamb, Billie
Lamb, Billy
Landmann, Doug
Lannon, Walter
Larsen, Gene
Larson, Joe
Lasecki, Robert
Lassen, Finn
Latimer, Jerry
Laurie, Kip
Lawliss, James
Lawson, John
Ledbetter, Gene
Ledoux, Paul
Lee, Terry
Lefler, Fabian
Lekven, Carl
Lenarz, Michael(mike)
Lenton, Dennis
Lerohl, Gaylen Terminaltown
Lervold, Randy
Lewis, Rufus
Lewis, Terry
Lewis, Tim
Licking, Lawrence
Lifer, Craig
Liming, Gary
Linebaugh, Jeffrey
Linse, Michael
Lloyd, Brian
Loar, Carl
Long, Charles
Long, Eugene
Long, Jim
Longcrier, Thurman
Longino, Dana
Loubert, Gary
Lundborg, Craig
Lundin, Richard
Lundquist, David
Lutgring, Thomas
Lynch, Charles
Macchiaverna, Andrew
Macdonald, Dave
Macdonald, Larry
Mack, Don
Mackay, Alex
Madden, Peter
Mains, Ralph
Malczynski, Francis
Malich, Gunter
Markle, Jim
Markwell, Cleone
Marlow, Sam
Marshall, F.Robert
Marshall, Nigel
Martin, Bryan
Martin, Jay
Martin, Richard
Mason, Ron
Massari, Steve
Mattson, Doug
Maziarz, Dpnald
Mcbride, Duncan
Mccallister, Don
Mccallum, Robert
Mccracken, Ted
Mcfarland, Larry
Mcfarlane, Lloyd
Mcgehee, Tom
Mcgregor, Bruce
Mcintosh, Wayne
Mcintyre, Jay
Mckelvey, David
Mckenna, Mike
Mcleod, Neil
Medeiros, Joel
Medema, Doug
Meiste, Kelly
Mekeel, Donald
Mensink, Will
Merchant, Dean
Messinger, Paul
Metz, Lowell
Meyers, Jess
Meyers, John
Meyn, Wolfgang
Michel, Paul
Milgrom, Mark
Miller, David
Miller, Jim&dondi
Mills, Bill
Minewiser, Jim
Mitchell, Bill
Mitchell, Duane
Mitchell, Graham
Moak, Ken
Montagne, Raymond
Montoure, Ken
Morehead, Cj
Morelli, William
Morgan, Mark
Morin, Mauri
Morison, James
Morley, Harold
Morphis, George
Morrow, Dan
Mosier, Colby
Moulin, Roger
Moyle, John
Mrotzek, Dan
Mucker, Matthew
Mudge, Ronald
Muegge, James
Mueller, Mike
Mulherin, Harold
Murray, Glenn
Murray, Ronald
Murrill, Bob
Myers, John
Natho, Paul
Navratil, Richard
Neilsen, Richard
Neitzel, Richard
Nellis, Mike
Newkirk, Bill
Nicely, Vincent
Nicholas, Kim
Nickless, Jim
Nickson, Dennis
Norman, Jim
North, Wheeler
Noyer, Robert
Nuckolls, Robert
Nystrom, John
O'Brien, Bill
O'Brien, Dan
O'Brien, William
O'Donnell, David
Oberst, James
Ochsner, Doug
Oconnor, Edward
Ohlinger, Judith
Okeefe, Larry
Okeefe, Lawrence
Okrent, Mike
Oldford, David
Orear, Jeff
Orsborn, Thomas
Owens, Don
Owens, Phillip
Packard, Tom
Pardue, Larry
Parham, Bernard
Park, Gene
Parker, Ray
Patsey, Kevin
Patterson, Tim
Payne, Craig
Payne, Ron
Pedersen, Wayne
Pekin, J
Pelletier, Daniel
Perez, M.Domenic
Peterson, Alex
Peterson, David
Petri, David
Petty, Paul
Pflimlin, Paul
Pfundt, Jan
Phillips, Jack
Phillips, Mark
Pickrell, Jim
Pieper, William
Pike, Richard
Pilling, Kevin
Pinneo, George
Pinzon, Pedro
Plecenik, Michael
Point, Jeff
Polits, Dick
Pollard, Jim
Polstra, Philip
Pote, Barry
Powell, Ken
Prather, Matthew
Preston, Douglas
Pribble, Marv
Puckett, Greg
Rabaut, Chuck
Raby, Ronald
Radford, Joe
Ramotowski, Joe
Randolph, George
Ray, Rick
Ray, Rob
Reeck, Arthur
Reed, Gary
Reed, Joel
Reeves, Dan
Render, James
Reuterskiold, John
Rice, Mike
Richard, J.
Richards, Stephen
Risch, Bob
Robert, Larry
Robinson, James
Rodebush, James
Roebuck, Warren
Roehl, Tim
Rogers, Ken
Rohling, William
Romine, Chris
Ron, Dewees
Rosenberg, Ran
Rowe, Dennis
Rozendaal, Doug
Russell, Jack
Sa, Carlos
Safford, Brad
Salter, Phillip
Salzman, Mike
Sapp, Doug
Sargent, Thomas
Sax, Samuel
Schiff, Nathan
Schneider, Werner
Schnurr, Jack
Schoenberger, H.Robert
Schrimmer, Mark
Schroeder, John
Schultz, Davidh
Scott, Clive
Scroggs, Ross
Seal, Boyd
Sears, Jim
Seel, Norman
Selby, Jim
Shackelford, Orie
Shafer, James
Shank, Bill
Shannon, Kevin
Shearing, Garth
Sheets, Doug
Shelton, Kevin
Shepherd, Dallas
Shipley, Rob
Siegfried, Bob
Silva, Oswaldo
Simmons, Ken
Simpson, Randy
Singleton, Graham
Sink, Donald
Sipp, Richard
Slatt, Gary
Small, Jeff
Smith, David
Smith, Gene
Smith, Kirk
Smith, Ronald
Smith, Zed
Sobel, Martin
Sohn, Daniel
Solecki, John
Sower, Jim
Sparks, Timothy
Spence, Stephen
Spencer, Scott
Sprayberry, JR
Sprunger, Gary
Staal, Stephen
Stagg, Lynwood
Staley, Dick
Starn, Jack
Steuber, Edward
Stewart, Don
Stoffers, Larry
Stone, Chris
Strawn, David
Stroberg, David
Strong, Gary
Stuart, Clay
Sullivan, Stan
Sutterfield, Stan
Swaney, Mark
Swanson, Roger
Swanson, Ronald
Swartzendruber, David
Swenson, Guy
Swinford, George
Tasker, Richard
Tauchen, Bryan
Tellet, David
Textor, Jack
Therrien, Michel
Thistlethwaite, Geoff
Thomas, Lee
Thomas, Stephen
Thomason, Michael
Thompson, David
Thorne, Jim
Thwing, Randy
Todd, John
Tompkins, Jeff
Tower, John
Towner, Melvin
Trojan, David
Truitt, Jim
Trumpfheller, Robert
Tupper, Kirby
Turnbull, Tom
Tuton, Beauford
Uniform, Sirs!
Utterback, Tom
Van Laak, Jim
Vanbladeren, Ronald
Vandenbroek, Martin
VanDerSanden, Gert
Vangrunsven, Stanley
Vanwinkle, Alden
Vargas, Javier
Vaughan, Cye
Vervoort-woestenburg, Jef
Voelker, Leonard
Voss, Richard
Wagner, James
Wagoner, Richard
Waldal, ArtB.
Walker, Beau
Walker, Weston
Wall, Chris
Wallen, Arden
Wampler, Jim
Washburn, Oliver
Watson, Richard
Watson, Terry
Weaver, Erich
Weaver, Fred
Webb, Randol
Weiler, Doug
Weiss, Gary
Werner, Russ
Weyant, Chuck
Wheatley, Malcolm
Whelan, Thomas
White, Charles
Whiteside, Eric
Whitman, Timothy
Whittier, Bucky
Whittington, Dewitt
Wilcox, Gary
Williams, Eugene
Williams, Gene
Williams, Laurence
Williams, Terry
Willig, Louis
Willis, Raymond
Wilson, Billy
Wilson, Kelly
Winberry, Bryan
Winne, Edward
Winnings, James
Wittman, James
Woods, Harold
Wotring, Dale
Wright, Roy
Wymer, Gerald
Yamokoski, William
Young, Rollin
Zecherle, John
Zheng, Andrew
Zilik, Gary
Zirges, Malcolm
Zollinger, Duane
Zuniga, Oscar
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