Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:54 AM - Re: I have a question regarding the crossover points (Scott Walters)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: reply to randy regarding tweets and sound stage (Scott Walters)
3. 09:22 AM - 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay (Woudsma, Mark)
4. 09:25 AM - Anyone have a C90 faceplate not being used? (Woudsma, Mark)
5. 10:58 AM - Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay (Roland M)
6. 11:01 AM - Re: Anyone have a C90 faceplate not being used? (Roland M)
7. 11:12 AM - Interesting discovery with 210EQ and MDX-400 + CDX-828... (Roland M)
8. 11:16 AM - Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay (Jim Serwinowski)
9. 11:22 AM - Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay (Roland M)
10. 11:35 AM - Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay (Scott Walters)
11. 11:39 AM - Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay (Roland M)
12. 12:30 PM - Speaking of interesting eBay finds... !!! (Roland M)
13. 12:44 PM - Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay (Randy Visentine)
14. 06:26 PM - Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
15. 07:28 PM - Re: I have a question regarding the crossover points in 4000x (Paul Chambers)
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| Subject: | Re: I have a question regarding the crossover points |
in 4000x
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Walters <scott@packetpushers.com>
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Doug Dobson wrote:
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson@chartermi.net>
>
> Not so sure why you are amazed at a front stage that will play down to 60
> Hz.
Probably because my front end is so lacking. I had just coughed it up to
being somewhat 'unfeasable'. I have a test CD that plays test tones and
knew when I tuned my system my fronts (JL VR650, in qlogic pods, bi-amped
to an audio art 4x25) fall off dramatically around 120Hz. I just figured
it was mostly because 6.5's operating in free air (not sealed) environment
couldn't do it.
After your post I got to wondering, so I took my test CD to my home system
that has B&W 602's (large bookshelf with 6.5 driver, denon 3300 receiver)
and sure nuff, it went down to 80Hz before it fell off.
I am now excited that decent mid-bass *is* possible in the car. I just
have to figure out why I don't have it.
I am going to upgrade my front amp first, and see what happens.
This forum is great.
--
Scott Walters
-PacketPusher
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| Subject: | Re: reply to randy regarding tweets and sound stage |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Walters <scott@packetpushers.com>
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, John Smith wrote:
> Place RTA in the center of the car and play pink
> noise.
Why in the center of the car? Wouldn't you want to tune it from the
drivers seat?
I am thinking purely from the context of sounding great, not competiting.
--
Scott Walters
-PacketPusher
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| Subject: | 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark" <Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
Hi everyone
I was on Ebay this morning and found this deal:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14931&item=1950895087
Mark
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| Subject: | Anyone have a C90 faceplate not being used? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark" <Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
Hello Everyone...
I am looking at buying a used C90 from a co-worker, for $200, but the units
face has a scratch and some cracks in the clear faceplate cover. Anyone have
any spare faceplate FS? Anyone know if parts are available?
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
I know they are both new but seems kind of expensive to me. The reserve
isn't met at $810. I've seen new or like new C90s go for $300-$400 on eBay
and new XDP-4000Xs for the same, meaning that I think the $810 price would
be good but the reserve isn't met and the BIN is $1650??? You could almost
buy two of each for that price. Then again, I guess finding brand new C90s
or XDP4ks is pretty hard to do though...
Roland M.
>From: "Woudsma, Mark" <Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay
>Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:21:40 -0800
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark"
><Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
>
>Hi everyone
>
>I was on Ebay this morning and found this deal:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14931&item=1950895087
>
>Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have a C90 faceplate not being used? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
You should be able to get just the FP lens, but you will need to know the
part number for it. I can imagine it might be anywhere from $25-$60 though,
if it is available separately.
Most Sony HUs have the FP lens listed as a separate part. I you have the
service manual or can get one to look at you can take a look at the parts
list/view to see if there is a separate part number for it. Otherwise you
can phone Sony Parts and see if they can find the part number and price for
you.
Roland M.
>From: "Woudsma, Mark" <Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: Anyone have a C90 faceplate not being used?
>Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:24:31 -0800
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark"
><Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
>
>Hello Everyone...
>
>I am looking at buying a used C90 from a co-worker, for $200, but the units
>face has a scratch and some cracks in the clear faceplate cover. Anyone
>have
>any spare faceplate FS? Anyone know if parts are available?
>
>Mark
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| Subject: | Interesting discovery with 210EQ and MDX-400 + CDX-828... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
I just thought I'd add a little bit of info I found when I connected the
optical digital outs of both the MDX-400 and the CDX-828 to the 210EQ (the
MDX-400 is not the HU in this setup, rather it is slaved to an XR-C9100
HU)...
Anyhow I had previously hooked up the MDX-400 to the system by removing the
CD changer and connecting it alone (without the multi-changer adapter). I
found that when connecting it as the sole changer in the system it was
required to use the "CHANGER" optical input to get sound from it. Knowing
that the changer would have to use the same input I bought an optical
splitter/combiner to connect the optical out of the CDX-828 and the MDX-400
both to the "CHANGER" optical input on the XDP-210EQ.
I did think it was stupid thought that having a cassette HU there would be
the "MASTER" optical input left empty and have the requirement to connect
both changers to the same input. Not very intuitive...
Well I found out the UniLink system is smarter than I thought!!! :) When I
connected both changers using the MCA, I tried connecting them both to the
same input, but strangely enough I couldn't get sound from MD changer...
So I tried plugging in one at a time and sure enough only the CD changer
would have sound output even without the splitter/combiner. So then I
thought what if I connect the MDX-400's optical out to the "MASTER" input?
Sure enough it worked! So it is pretty strange but when the MDX-400 is the
only changer it has to be connected to the CHANGER optical in, but when
there is also an optical out changer, then the MDX-400 gets connected to the
MASTER input and the changer to the CHANGER input (this assuming the head
unit does NOT have optical output) and everything works perfect! :)
So needless to say I'm happy that the system is that smart and I don't need
to use the splitter/combiner. I wonder if it is the same connecting two
optical out changers when there is an analog out-only HU? Does anyone know
if that works for two changers as well? (The MDX-400 is not really meant to
be a stand alone "changer" but it can be slaved as such).
Anyhow I just thought I'd share that little peice of info if anyone wanted
to know.
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Jim Serwinowski <jrs1@buffalo.edu>
I've seen used c90's go for $300-400, but whenever I looked I have never
seen a totally brand new c90 or 4000x go for less than $500 apiece. I
agreee the BIN $1650 is way too much, but I think up to $1000 would be a
fair deal. Just my 2 cents. :)
-Jim
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Roland M wrote:
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> I know they are both new but seems kind of expensive to me. The reserve
> isn't met at $810. I've seen new or like new C90s go for $300-$400 on eBay
> and new XDP-4000Xs for the same, meaning that I think the $810 price would
> be good but the reserve isn't met and the BIN is $1650??? You could almost
> buy two of each for that price. Then again, I guess finding brand new C90s
> or XDP4ks is pretty hard to do though...
>
> Roland M.
>
>
> >From: "Woudsma, Mark" <Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay
> >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:21:40 -0800
> >
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark"
> ><Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
> >
> >Hi everyone
> >
> >I was on Ebay this morning and found this deal:
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14931&item=1950895087
> >
> >Mark
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
Yeah I guess you're right they are brand new and "in the same place"...
Perhaps his reserve is around $1000. If anyone were seriously interested in
buying a set of those it wouldn't hurt to email him and see and/or bid and
see.
Roland M.
>From: Jim Serwinowski <jrs1@buffalo.edu>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay
>Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:16:47 -0500 (EST)
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Jim Serwinowski <jrs1@buffalo.edu>
>
>I've seen used c90's go for $300-400, but whenever I looked I have never
>seen a totally brand new c90 or 4000x go for less than $500 apiece. I
>agreee the BIN $1650 is way too much, but I think up to $1000 would be a
>fair deal. Just my 2 cents. :)
>
>-Jim
>
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| Subject: | Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Walters <scott@packetpushers.com>
last feb from ebay in two seperate transactions i paid:
C90 - $440
4000 - $200
both used but in perfect working condition
scott
1992 Toyota Camry
100sq feet DynaMat Extreme, single layerA
Sony CDX-C90
AudioQuest TosLink 5m
Sony XDP-4000x
Lightning Interconnects
Audio Art 140.4 (35wx4) (bi-amping tweets and mids)
JL Audio 650VR in QLogic Kickpanels
Crossfire CFA302 (300w Bridged) for Sub
JL 12W3 ProWedge
TODO: Cap, Upgrade Amps
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Roland M wrote:
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> I know they are both new but seems kind of expensive to me. The reserve
> isn't met at $810. I've seen new or like new C90s go for $300-$400 on eBay
> and new XDP-4000Xs for the same, meaning that I think the $810 price would
> be good but the reserve isn't met and the BIN is $1650??? You could almost
> buy two of each for that price. Then again, I guess finding brand new C90s
> or XDP4ks is pretty hard to do though...
>
> Roland M.
>
>
> >From: "Woudsma, Mark" <Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay
> >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:21:40 -0800
> >
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark"
> ><Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
> >
> >Hi everyone
> >
> >I was on Ebay this morning and found this deal:
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14931&item=1950895087
> >
> >Mark
>
>
--
Scott Walters
-PacketPusher
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| Subject: | Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
$200 for a XDP-4k??? Wow that was a good deal! I've never seen one go for
less than just over $300. I paid $150 for an XDP-210EQ and XA-210 adapter
only about 6-8 months ago. I wish there were more XDP-4ks listed on eBay...
Roland M.
>From: Scott Walters <scott@packetpushers.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay
>Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:33:45 -0500 (EST)
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Walters
><scott@packetpushers.com>
>
>
>last feb from ebay in two seperate transactions i paid:
>
>C90 - $440
>4000 - $200
>
>both used but in perfect working condition
>
>scott
>
>1992 Toyota Camry
>100sq feet DynaMat Extreme, single layerA
>Sony CDX-C90
>AudioQuest TosLink 5m
>Sony XDP-4000x
>Lightning Interconnects
>Audio Art 140.4 (35wx4) (bi-amping tweets and mids)
>JL Audio 650VR in QLogic Kickpanels
>Crossfire CFA302 (300w Bridged) for Sub
>JL 12W3 ProWedge
>
>TODO: Cap, Upgrade Amps
>
>On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Roland M wrote:
>
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I know they are both new but seems kind of expensive to me. The reserve
> > isn't met at $810. I've seen new or like new C90s go for $300-$400 on
>eBay
> > and new XDP-4000Xs for the same, meaning that I think the $810 price
>would
> > be good but the reserve isn't met and the BIN is $1650??? You could
>almost
> > buy two of each for that price. Then again, I guess finding brand new
>C90s
> > or XDP4ks is pretty hard to do though...
> >
> > Roland M.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Woudsma, Mark" <Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
> > >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> > >To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: XDP4000X-List: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay
> > >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:21:40 -0800
> > >
> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark"
> > ><Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com>
> > >
> > >Hi everyone
> > >
> > >I was on Ebay this morning and found this deal:
> > >
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14931&item=1950895087
> > >
> > >Mark
> >
> >
>
>--
>Scott Walters
>-PacketPusher
>
>
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| Subject: | Speaking of interesting eBay finds... !!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
Hey, here is one VERY interesting/rare eBay finds I just came across...
Maybe someone here is interested?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18796&item=3000800874
It is a very rare Sony XM-2000R amplifier--pretty much the best car amp Sony
ever made, AFAIK. 1000x2 into 2 Ohms, non-bridgeable (dual mono) amplifier.
Retail I think was $4000 US dollars. Seller says it is one of only 7 in
North America (though I don't know about the truth of that).
Disclaimer: Please bear in mind I just picked this up off eBay, I have
never dealt with the seller, I do not know the seller, nor can I make any
claims to his/her reliablility or credibility.
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine <jvisentine@yahoo.com>
A Grand seems fair.
I also got some fantastic used bargains off eBay and
elsewhere. I have aquired quite an arsenal. One
system is installed in a 99 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 x-tra
cab V-6, and one system is awating the engine
re-build (plus supercharger!) of my cherry 1987
4-Runner 4X4.
C90 AND a CDX-828 for $550 - eBay
NEW XDP-4000x IN BOX for $410 - personal deal
(2) XM-7547's for $175 Ea!
XM-7527 for $80
XM-5026 for $60
CDX-C910 for $150
CDX-805 for $100
XDP-210EQ for $125 (Refurb)
XDP-210EQ NEW for $235
Rockford BD1500.1 NEW $500
Goes to show, why pay retail? I saved THOUSANDS!
Later
Randy Visentine
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| Subject: | Re: 4000x and C90 FS on Ebay |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
In a message dated 1/14/03 12:23:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Mark.Woudsma@am.sony.com writes:
> Hi everyone
>
> I was on Ebay this morning and found this deal:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14931&
> item=1950895087
>
> Mark
That is the third time in a row he has listed it. Once the price was upwards
of $1100.00 or more and the reserve still was not met. Not sure what his
reserve price is, but i would think anything more than $1100 or $1200 may be
pushing it no?
Dan
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| Subject: | I have a question regarding the crossover points in |
4000x
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Paul Chambers" <xdp4000x-list@lists.bod.org>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "David Kennedy"
> <dkenned1@hotmail.com>
>
> I am also not happy with the avail. xover points & slopes but
> until someone else makes a unit with the same size that does
> what the xdp does I'm stuck with it.
I did see something at CES that looked interesting:
http://www.altomobile.com/html/crossovers.html
Somewhat similar in size and function to an XDP. I didn't have the
chance to look at it in any detail - sorry. I think they had another new
unit that they launched at the show ('UCS Pro'?), but I don't have the
product info handy.
On an unrelated note, I saw some nice-looking amps from Brax at the
show. Has anyone used these in an install? I don't have a lot of room
for gear in my vehicle, so the Brax Helix HXA500Q looks very attractive,
at 32 mm x 250 mm x 432 mm (1.25" x 10" x 17") for a five channel amp.
More info at:
http://www.theautophile.com/products/HXA500Q.html
Paul
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