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1. 06:29 AM - Re: TV Tuner Questions.... (Eli A.)
2. 09:15 AM - Re: Just a couple more TV tuner questions (Sorry...) (Roland M)
3. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: TV Tuner Questions.... (Roland M)
4. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: TV Tuner Questions.... (Matt Dralle)
5. 11:10 AM - Sony Gear On Ebay... (Matt Dralle)
6. 11:14 AM - Re: Just a couple more TV tuner questions (Sorry...) (Dremgragen .)
7. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: TV Tuner Questions.... (Dremgragen .)
8. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: TV Tuner Questions.... (Dremgragen .)
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| Subject: | RE: TV Tuner Questions.... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Eli A." <ea62@msn.com>
As for Roland's question, I have a C90 and a C910 connected to the
XT40v. The C90's LIST feature stays within the display on the HU. You still
get the info as far as what's in the changer, everything except CD-Text. You
have to toggle between the Display and List buttons in the HU. The SIMUL
lets you view a video source (Navigation, DVD) while listening to audio
source. If I remember correctly on the C910, you have to hold down the SOUND
button for 2 sec.I have a C90 manual, I will look it up and get back to you.
I think it's in the MENU on the C90, if I remember before mine went out on
me. I do hate the fact that CD-Text is not displayed on the monitor, I'm
assuming CD-Text was introduced after the XT40V/Unilink-then network. The
C910 LIST feature is moved to the TV display therefore allowing the HU
display to be used for the clock.
As for Dremgragen's connection question, I have a 210EQ connected also,
the 4K should have similar connections. My system goes like this. From the
C90/C910- optical into the 210EQ/4K Master Optical in. The Changers MD & CD
are optically fed to the XA-U40D digital source selector then from there
into the 210EQ/4K Changer Optical in. The HU's tuner RCA's are fed into the
210EQ/4K Analog Master input. The XT40V's Unilink Audio out is fed into the
210EQ/4K Analog Changer input. That cover all the Audio connections. The
Unilink Data goes like this......... From the HU to the 210EQ/4K Master In.
The CD & MD changers Unilink into the Unilink In's on the Source selector
.Out from there into the Unilink In on the XT40V, the from the Unilink Out
into the Changer analog in on the 210EQ/4K. If there isn't a Source selector
in the system, then connect you Changer's Unilink cable to the Unilink IN on
the XT40V. I have a drawn out diagram, email if you need it.
Eli
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| Subject: | Re: Just a couple more TV tuner questions (Sorry...) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>From: "Dremgragen ." <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Just a couple more TV tuner questions
>(Sorry...)
>Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 06:58:04 +0000
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dremgragen ."
><dremgragen@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I can't answer your question but I have one of my own.
>
>
>When connecting the XT-40V tuner with your 4000X, do you connect IT TO
>4000X as a changer, or do you connect it to the HU and run the UNILINK OUT
>to the 4000X?
>
>
>If you connect it as a changer, or directly to the HU, where does the sound
>output from the XT-40V go? Does it go on changer input on the 4000X or do
>you run a set of RCAs back up to the head unit and plug them into the AUX
>IN?
>
>
>Thanks. :)
>-Brody Z.
>
>
Though Eli A. has answered this, I thought I would add a little to his
answer. Due to the nature of the UniLink bus, I don't think it matters
where the XT-40V goes, actually (as long as it is located somewhere on the
UniLink CHANGER line). For example if you have a source selector it can go
on one of the ports of the selector or it can be "upstream" of the source
selector. If it is the latter, and the source selector is analog then the
"overall" analog out of the source selector can still be routed through the
40V's UniLink INPUT connection, with the UniLink (audio) OUTPUT connected to
the analog CHANGER INPUT on the XDP unit (whether it be a 210EQ/U50D/4000X).
Also once an EQ is used, the UniLink IN on the HU is never again used
(except for on those HUs that allow the internal amps to be used when a DSP
is connected--then the loopback connection is required).
On the other hand if it is connected to a port on the source selector
instead, another changer can always be routed through the UniLink INPUT port
on the TV tuner.
What I mean to say is it doesn't really matter I don't think. I think the
Sony diagrams always show the TV tuner ahead of the CD changers/source
selector(s) but it doesn't matter where you put anything really. It follows
in that if you have more than one source selector, they can be connected in
series (one after the other) or in parallel (with one source selector having
more than one add'l source selector on it's ports) and everything still
works fine.
The UniLink bus is pretty versatile this way. The only thing I never
understood is why didn't EVERY UniLink device have a "pass-through" like the
AUX-In Selector and TV tuners have? That could have done away with the
source selectors but I guess it would have added significant expense to the
CD changers.
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: TV Tuner Questions.... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Eli A." <ea62@msn.com>
>
>
> As for Roland's question, I have a C90 and a C910 connected to the
>XT40v. The C90's LIST feature stays within the display on the HU. You still
>get the info as far as what's in the changer, everything except CD-Text.
>You
>have to toggle between the Display and List buttons in the HU. The SIMUL
>lets you view a video source (Navigation, DVD) while listening to audio
>source. If I remember correctly on the C910, you have to hold down the
>SOUND
>button for 2 sec.
Thanks for the reply Eli. I actualy do realise THAT Simul feature that is
acessed from the HU. However there is a physical SWITCH marked SIMUL ON/OFF
on the U500V that I was wondering about. I actually tried turning it ON and
OFF and trying the Simul feature on the HU (holding down SOURCE on the HU
for 2-3 seconds) and the switch did not seem to affect that feature at all.
So I'm still kinda stumped. Anyone with a U500V manual?
>I do hate the fact that CD-Text is not displayed on the monitor, I'm
>assuming CD-Text was introduced after the XT40V/Unilink-then network. The
>C910 LIST feature is moved to the TV display therefore allowing the HU
>display to be used for the clock.
>
Yeah CD-Text is newer than the XT-40V even. That is why you can't get it
displayed. Likewise the CDX-C910 and XR-C900 cannot display CD-Text info
either.
Well I guess I need a C90 now !!! :( Because as with the C910, my XR-C9100
does the same thing--when the TV tuner is connected the LIST button does
nothing on the HU display--it beeps but that's it. At least they got smart
when they made the C90 and realised not everyone mounts the monitor(s) in
view of the driver...
I would have thought that if the C90 could do it then so could any CD-Text
displaying HU (would have thought they would have updated that feature at
the same time) but it looks like the LIST on HU when TV tuner is connected
is a feature that is unique to the C90. (Perhaps some of the (early) Xplod
units that have TV tuner control also incorporated this?)
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: TV Tuner Questions.... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Connecting an XT40 to a 4000x seems like it might present an interesting
problem in that the 4k delays the signal by about .5 seconds. This would
cause lip sync issues. I've got a DVD player connected to my 4k and I just
have to sort of blur my eyes so I can't tell its out of sync... ;-)
Matt
At 06:23 AM 2/8/2003 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Eli A." <ea62@msn.com>
>
>
> As for Roland's question, I have a C90 and a C910 connected to the
>XT40v. The C90's LIST feature stays within the display on the HU. You still
>get the info as far as what's in the changer, everything except CD-Text. You
>have to toggle between the Display and List buttons in the HU. The SIMUL
>lets you view a video source (Navigation, DVD) while listening to audio
>source. If I remember correctly on the C910, you have to hold down the SOUND
>button for 2 sec.I have a C90 manual, I will look it up and get back to you.
>I think it's in the MENU on the C90, if I remember before mine went out on
>me. I do hate the fact that CD-Text is not displayed on the monitor, I'm
>assuming CD-Text was introduced after the XT40V/Unilink-then network. The
>C910 LIST feature is moved to the TV display therefore allowing the HU
>display to be used for the clock.
>
> As for Dremgragen's connection question, I have a 210EQ connected also,
>the 4K should have similar connections. My system goes like this. From the
>C90/C910- optical into the 210EQ/4K Master Optical in. The Changers MD & CD
>are optically fed to the XA-U40D digital source selector then from there
>into the 210EQ/4K Changer Optical in. The HU's tuner RCA's are fed into the
>210EQ/4K Analog Master input. The XT40V's Unilink Audio out is fed into the
>210EQ/4K Analog Changer input. That cover all the Audio connections. The
>Unilink Data goes like this......... From the HU to the 210EQ/4K Master In.
>The CD & MD changers Unilink into the Unilink In's on the Source selector
>.Out from there into the Unilink In on the XT40V, the from the Unilink Out
>into the Changer analog in on the 210EQ/4K. If there isn't a Source selector
>in the system, then connect you Changer's Unilink cable to the Unilink IN on
>the XT40V. I have a drawn out diagram, email if you need it.
>
> Eli
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
Don Henley
Long Way Home, 1982
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| Subject: | Sony Gear On Ebay... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Hi Guys,
I just wanted to let everyone know that I've got some really nice Sony car
stereo stuff for sale on EBay right now. All is new-in-box. Surely
there's something you can take off my hands... :-)
Matt Dralle
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http://www.matronics.com/personal/p1190780.jpg - Connections
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http://www.matronics.com/personal/p1190784.jpg - Faceplate Detail
New In Box - Sony ES XM-7527 Amplifier 75w x 2/300w x 1 (Two Available!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18796&item=3005262896&rd=1
http://www.matronics.com/personal/p1190773.jpg - Large Picture
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
Don Henley
Long Way Home, 1982
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| Subject: | Re: Just a couple more TV tuner questions (Sorry...) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dremgragen ." <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
From: "Roland M" <MDX400@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Just a couple more TV tuner questions (Sorry...)
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <MDX400@HOTMAIL.COM>
From: "Dremgragen ." <DREMGRAGEN@HOTMAIL.COM>
Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Just a couple more TV tuner questions
(Sorry...)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 06:58:04 +0000
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dremgragen ."
<DREMGRAGEN@HOTMAIL.COM>
I can't answer your question but I have one of my own.
When connecting the XT-40V tuner with your 4000X, do you connect IT TO
4000X as a changer, or do you connect it to the HU and run the UNILINK OUT
to the 4000X?
If you connect it as a changer, or directly to the HU, where does the sound
output from the XT-40V go? Does it go on changer input on the 4000X or do
you run a set of RCAs back up to the head unit and plug them into the AUX
IN?
Thanks. :)
-Brody Z.
Though Eli A. has answered this, I thought I would add a little to his
answer. Due to the nature of the UniLink bus, I don't think it matters
where the XT-40V goes, actually (as long as it is located somewhere on the
UniLink CHANGER line). For example if you have a source selector it can go
on one of the ports of the selector or it can be "upstream" of the source
selector. If it is the latter, and the source selector is analog then the
"overall" analog out of the source selector can still be routed through the
40V's UniLink INPUT connection, with the UniLink (audio) OUTPUT connected to
the analog CHANGER INPUT on the XDP unit (whether it be a 210EQ/U50D/4000X).
Also once an EQ is used, the UniLink IN on the HU is never again used
(except for on those HUs that allow the internal amps to be used when a DSP
is connected--then the loopback connection is required).
On the other hand if it is connected to a port on the source selector
instead, another changer can always be routed through the UniLink INPUT port
on the TV tuner.
What I mean to say is it doesn't really matter I don't think. I think the
Sony diagrams always show the TV tuner ahead of the CD changers/source
selector(s) but it doesn't matter where you put anything really. It follows
in that if you have more than one source selector, they can be connected in
series (one after the other) or in parallel (with one source selector having
more than one add'l source selector on it's ports) and everything still
works fine.
The UniLink bus is pretty versatile this way. The only thing I never
understood is why didn't EVERY UniLink device have a "pass-through" like the
AUX-In Selector and TV tuners have? That could have done away with the
source selectors but I guess it would have added significant expense to the
CD changers.
Roland M.
Well, doesn't the PhatNoise changer route back up to the AUX IN on the head unit,
even when plugged into the 4kX as a changer? That's why I was wondering if
the TV tuner worked the same.
I'll just plug mine into the 4kX as a changer, seems easiest that way.
Thanks,
Brody Z.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: TV Tuner Questions.... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dremgragen ." <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
Really.... I don't like the sound of that. :(
-Brody Z.
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: RE: TV Tuner Questions....
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Connecting an XT40 to a 4000x seems like it might present an interesting
problem in that the 4k delays the signal by about .5 seconds. This would
cause lip sync issues. I've got a DVD player connected to my 4k and I just
have to sort of blur my eyes so I can't tell its out of sync... ;-)
Matt
At 06:23 AM 2/8/2003 Saturday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Eli A." <EA62@MSN.COM>
As for Roland's question, I have a C90 and a C910 connected to the
XT40v. The C90's LIST feature stays within the display on the HU. You still
get the info as far as what's in the changer, everything except CD-Text. You
have to toggle between the Display and List buttons in the HU. The SIMUL
lets you view a video source (Navigation, DVD) while listening to audio
source. If I remember correctly on the C910, you have to hold down the SOUND
button for 2 sec.I have a C90 manual, I will look it up and get back to you.
I think it's in the MENU on the C90, if I remember before mine went out on
me. I do hate the fact that CD-Text is not displayed on the monitor, I'm
assuming CD-Text was introduced after the XT40V/Unilink-then network. The
C910 LIST feature is moved to the TV display therefore allowing the HU
display to be used for the clock.
As for Dremgragen's connection question, I have a 210EQ connected also,
the 4K should have similar connections. My system goes like this. From the
C90/C910- optical into the 210EQ/4K Master Optical in. The Changers MD CD
are optically fed to the XA-U40D digital source selector then from there
into the 210EQ/4K Changer Optical in. The HU's tuner RCA's are fed into the
210EQ/4K Analog Master input. The XT40V's Unilink Audio out is fed into the
210EQ/4K Analog Changer input. That cover all the Audio connections. The
Unilink Data goes like this......... From the HU to the 210EQ/4K Master In.
The CD MD changers Unilink into the Unilink In's on the Source selector
.Out from there into the Unilink In on the XT40V, the from the Unilink Out
into the Changer analog in on the 210EQ/4K. If there isn't a Source selector
in the system, then connect you Changer's Unilink cable to the Unilink IN on
the XT40V. I have a drawn out diagram, email if you need it.
Eli
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
Don Henley
Long Way Home, 1982
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| Subject: | Re: RE: TV Tuner Questions.... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dremgragen ." <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
From: "Eli A." <EA62@MSN.COM>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: RE: TV Tuner Questions....
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Eli A." <EA62@MSN.COM>
As for Roland's question, I have a C90 and a C910 connected to the
XT40v. The C90's LIST feature stays within the display on the HU. You still
get the info as far as what's in the changer, everything except CD-Text. You
have to toggle between the Display and List buttons in the HU. The SIMUL
lets you view a video source (Navigation, DVD) while listening to audio
source. If I remember correctly on the C910, you have to hold down the SOUND
button for 2 sec.I have a C90 manual, I will look it up and get back to you.
I think it's in the MENU on the C90, if I remember before mine went out on
me. I do hate the fact that CD-Text is not displayed on the monitor, I'm
assuming CD-Text was introduced after the XT40V/Unilink-then network. The
C910 LIST feature is moved to the TV display therefore allowing the HU
display to be used for the clock.
As for Dremgragen's connection question, I have a 210EQ connected also,
the 4K should have similar connections. My system goes like this. From the
C90/C910- optical into the 210EQ/4K Master Optical in. The Changers MD CD
are optically fed to the XA-U40D digital source selector then from there
into the 210EQ/4K Changer Optical in. The HU's tuner RCA's are fed into the
210EQ/4K Analog Master input. The XT40V's Unilink Audio out is fed into the
210EQ/4K Analog Changer input. That cover all the Audio connections. The
Unilink Data goes like this......... From the HU to the 210EQ/4K Master In.
The CD MD changers Unilink into the Unilink In's on the Source selector
.Out from there into the Unilink In on the XT40V, the from the Unilink Out
into the Changer analog in on the 210EQ/4K. If there isn't a Source selector
in the system, then connect you Changer's Unilink cable to the Unilink IN on
the XT40V. I have a drawn out diagram, email if you need it.
Eli
Na, I understood that perfectly. I don't have changers or anything like that anyway.
I just have my C90 and 4kX. I might buy one of those PhatNoise changers
some day, but at $900 a pop, that's not going to be one of my priorities.
Thanks,
Brody Z.
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