---------------------------------------------------------- XDP4000X-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/17/03: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:33 AM - Re: Re: RSD (owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com) 2. 07:30 PM - Re: master and XDP-4000X problem (Roland M) 3. 07:54 PM - Re: sony europe and tv control (Roland M) 4. 08:05 PM - Re: Roland M, did you get your XT-U500V to work? (Roland M) 5. 09:00 PM - Re: xt-u500v (Roland M) 6. 11:32 PM - Re: xt-u500v & RC71 (Roland M) 7. 11:38 PM - Re: xt-u500v & RC71 (Roland M) 8. 11:53 PM - Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) (Roland M) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:04 AM PST US From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Re: RSD --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Thanks -Edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lord Dremgragen" Subject: XDP4000X-List: Re: RSD --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord Dremgragen" Zapco Remote Status Display (RSD). They have a telephone-jack that you use to connect the RSD to the amplifier. The RSD shows power on, protection, independent left/right channel clipping sensors, and features a LO-P switch/light. When you turn LO-P on (stands for Low Power), when the amp clips it halves the amplifier's output. This helps save your speakers if you induce clipping. -Brody Z. Subject: Unable to locate message ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:14 PM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: master and XDP-4000X problem --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >From: "ToR" >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: XDP4000X-List: master and XDP-4000X problem >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:38:45 -0500 > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" > >Hi, >I'm thinking of using the Sony MDX-C8500X (or something else) as master >with DVX-100, XT-U500V and hopefully DMP3 mp3 player. >I want to use XDP-4000X but here is my problem > >1) does the XDP-4000X delay the sound about 500ms? Which would cause >sync problem with video?? >2) I'm not sure if MDX-C8500X (or newer head units) will control >XDP-4000X >3) I'm not sure if MDX-C8500X has digital out. >4) MDX-C8500X has HX DSP, Crutchfield says Sony's most powerful built-in >signal processing package ever. I don't know if this has been mentioned yet (I haven't checked this email in a little while and there are a LOT of posts!), but if a unit has built-in DSP, such as "HX DSP" it is not meant to control an external DSP (i.e. an XDP unit). If you look carefully at the past models you will notice that such models that have "DSP" or "HX-DSP" dropped the DSP Control in order to "control" the internal processor. For example the difference between the CDX-C7850 and CDX-C8850 was the fact that the C7850 had DSP/TV Control and the C8850 had TV Control and HX DSP. (The C8850 also had Advanced ESP instead of ESP but that is just a small detail). The same applies for other models in the past--some of the 7 series models had DSP/TV CONTROLS, while some of the 8 series models had TV Control + Built-In DSP. It also has varied in different model years. For example the MDX-C8900 (MD "clone" of the CDX-C880) had DSP/TV Control and the year after had the MDX-C8970 which was the MD clone of the CDX-C8850 and therefore had TV Control + HX DSP in lieu of the DSP Control. Now you MIGHT be able to get SOME DSP control if you connect an XDP unit to the C8500X, but I don't think it will work correctly or you will be missing functions. In any case the official word from Sony was always that the units with built-in DSP ("DSP" on older models, "HX DSP" on later models) "gave up" DSP control in order to have that feature. I.e. They were never meant to control an XDP-766EQ, 210EQ, or 4000X, etc. As for the other questions, note that the C8500X did NOT have optical output. The only units I know of that had optical output were the CDX-900 (or was it C900?), the CDX-C910, CDX-C90, and MDX-400. There may have been other units, but I know the C8500X did not have it. Also if you want to control the DVD changer as a changer via UniLink you will need an ADDITIONAL (Probably ~$100-$150) module, the XA-xxx (I can't remember the model number so I put x's in!). Roland M. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:01 PM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: sony europe and tv control --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >From: "ToR" >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: XDP4000X-List: sony europe and tv control >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:28:33 -0500 > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" > >I think non of the head units sold in Europe can control tv-tuner >At least they are not advertised as >Very strange... >I couldn't find anything anywhere mentioning tv control in Europe, even >about models like MDX-400RDS and CDX-C90R >Does anyone know anything about this? Hmmm. I don't know enough about the RDS units to give an answer regarding your "no-video-to-Europe" theory, but you may have something there. I have the MDX-400/MDX-400RDS service manual (S/M), and it includes excerpts from the instruction manual (I/M) covering the same. Note that there may be pages from the I/M not included in the S/M "Instruction Manual Section"--and I don't have the full/original I/M. But here is the main observation... The MDX-400RDS has the RDS button "AF/TA" where the MDX-400 has the button marked "TV". But the strange thing is this: the I/M section that I have in the S/M for both models never mentions the TV button on the MDX-400 at all! It pretty much goes through as if the button did not exist! It says on the button legend/layout that the button is "AF/TA" and on the "MDX-400RDS Only"--it doesn't mention the TV button on the non-RDS unit nor does the manual "section" describe the TV tuner control functions! Since later on Sony replaced the multiple (CD,TV,Tuner,etc.) buttons with the single "SOURCE" button, this might not be immediately apparent in other units' manuals, but it is here. Funny enough, since I don't have a TV tuner installed in the system right now, the buttons on the MDX-400 work as follows (Note that my MDX-400 is slaved to an XR-C9100): CD = CD changer (pressing more than once cycles through CD changers) Tuner = FM1 (but it ONLY cycles through FM1,FM2--not AM!) MD = MD Changer (in my case the MDX-400 itself). TV = AM Tuner!!! I can't remember what the TV button did when the TV tuner was connected though... Anyhow, the SOURCE button on the C9100 still works as normal. Anyhow that was maybe a little extra information there. But in regards to the TV tuner thing, yes I do wonder how one would control a TV Tuner with the MDX-400RDS, because there is no "TV" button on the unit! (And in those days there was no "SOURCE" cycling button either.) Roland M. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:47 PM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Roland M, did you get your XT-U500V to work? --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >From: "ToR" >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Roland M, did you get your XT-U500V to work? >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:00:38 -0500 > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" > > >I am assuming you're using it with 4000x and c90 + mdx400 as slave? >Did you have any problems? Actually, I *WISH* I had a C90 and 4000X! :D What I actually have is an XR-C9100 (cassette head "clone" to the CDX-C880), an XDP-210EQ, the MDX-400 slaved, and also CDX-T60 (analog only) and CDX-828 (digitally connected) CD changers. Yep everything works good (well with the exception of the MDX-400 because it has an ailing pickup :( But this is a problem the MDX-400 is prone to.). The MDX-400 is actually connected digitally as well. Curiously if the 400 is connected as the SOLE changer in the system, it HAS to be connected to the "SLAVE" digital input on the XDP-210EQ. But when the CDX-828 is connected as well (using a Multi changer adapter of course), then the MDX-400 HAS to be connected to the "MASTER" digital input! I'm thinking that this is because the XDP-210EQ is "smart" enough to know the changer is actually the CDX-828 and since the HU (C9100) has ONLY analog output, the logical place for the MDX-400's output would be the MASTER digital input on the 210EQ. I'm pretty sure all should go well with the "4000X + C90 + whatever changers" combination as well. The worst thing I can see happening is that the C90 and MDX-400 MIGHT have to share the MASTER digital input on the 4000X. But I think the more likely case will be that since the 4000X will know the C90 is the real MASTER and (considering it is in Digital out mode) it [the C90] should be connected there. Therefore the MDX-400 would likely have to share the SLAVE digital input as if it were a second changer (in the case that you had another changer with optical out that is). I hope that isn't too confusing! If it is, let me know and I'll try to clear it up. Roland M. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:37 PM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >From: "ToR" >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:20:17 -0500 > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" > >Roland M, >Did you get your u500v to work >Is there any one here using it? >Does it do any graphic generation at all? > >xt-u500v was produced at 91 >xt-u400v was produced at 93 >xt-40v was produced at 94 > >T. Well about the U500V... Yes I did get it to work but I can't fully test it as I don't have a monitor (yet) or the RC-71 cable (or whatever the model number is). It DOES do graphic generation and I know this because I can't see the "LIST" function on the HU when I press LIST when the TV tuner is connected. What this tells me is that the graphics are indeed being displayed on the XT-U500V's monitor output (eventhough I can't actually see them this must be the case). However someone remarked that it doesn't do ALL the graphics generation that the XT-40V can. The thing that the 40V does over the U500V is the displaying of MD-Text (MD Title information) on the monitor. I think that is the only graphics generation difference. Note that not even the XT-40V can display CD-TEXT on the monitor as it isn't new enough for that. As for the U400V, I'm not sure about it's text capability but judging from the fact that the XT-40V is physically identical with a different model number, I'm going to guess that the U400V is just like the U500V in that it cannot display MD-Text on the monitor(s). Roland M. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:54 PM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v & RC71 --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >From: "ToR" >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v & RC71 >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:01:25 -0500 > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" > >Does anyone have the RC71 composite video converter cable for the >xt-u500v? >Can anyone send me a picture of it or tell me what it looks like? >Thanks >T. Crutchfield has this cable and a picture of it. They sell it for $29.99--the same as direct from Sony. Do you already have the tuner? If not, I could always take a picture of the port on the tuner and send it to you if you would like to see how the pin arrangement is. Funny enough the cable (and subsequently the port on the tuner) is more than just for video... It also extracts L/R audio output as well! The RC-71 has 3 RCAs coming out of it (Red/White/Yellow for R/L/Video). I have seen people selling the UniLink tuners on eBay though with a cable that appears to be homemade and has only the composite video output. The thing is, I have no clue what each of the pins in the connector are defined as. I can't remember off hand but I think there are 8 pins in the port. Roland M. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:34 PM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v & RC71 --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >From: "ToR" >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v & RC71 >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:01:25 -0500 > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" > >Does anyone have the RC71 composite video converter cable for the >xt-u500v? >Can anyone send me a picture of it or tell me what it looks like? >Thanks >T. > The cable on Crutchfield, by the way is the RC-70 which I'm sure does the same thing as the RC-71 (or is the proper model # in the case that RC-71 doesn't exist). This is really difficult to find on Crutchfield as it appears to be listed strangely. To make it easier for you, here is the link :) http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-NjN3A9wMTC9/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=11&g=81600&I=158RC70 Roland M. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:50 PM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" >Sony has DAB-100 Unilink DAB tuner (~$1100) for Europe and XT-XM1 >Unilink XM Satellite Tuner (~$175 at crutchfield) for US. > >CDX-C90R can control DAB-100 and has RDS support. > I always wondered about DAB since DAB was SUPPOSED to take off in Canada and I know that several stations did indeed start broadcasting in DAB, in Toronto. I don't know what happened but it appears that the US push of XM and Sirius (and therefore non-acceptance of DAB) put Canada into a state of not really having digital radio at all! Well it is at least not very popular to my knowledge in ANY form (be it DAB, XM or Sirius). But that price on the DAB tuner is shocking! Over $1000??? And I assume you mean US dollars (or Euros which is close enough)? WOW that's costly indeed. I remember Pioneer had a DAB tuner for use with IP-Bus that was sold in Canada, but I don't know if it is still a current model here. I wonder if the NA Sony UniLink heads can even control the DAB tuner. Actually I really wonder WHAT units from the "past" can control the XM tuner! We know the C90 does but what about units like the CDX-C880? Anyhow, receiving DAB broadcast is free though, right? (It is just like regular radio--no subscription fees like XM or Sirius). Perhaps that has something to do with why the tuner is expensive? >In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R. >It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300 >European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered an >up-to-date high-end Sony receiver. Really? That is interesting to know. I knew it was still available in Japan, but didn't know about Europe. Sony should still at least sell SOME units in NA if they are selling them all over the globe otherwise... Stupid Sony... >XT-63V is supposed to work exclusively with the Sony XAV-7W in-dash >receiver/monitor > >ToR. Yeah I don't think the XT-63V will work with the "TV Control" UniLink heads of time past. Funny enough I keep talking about the Sony HUs of the "past" but really that is exactly what they are! I mean XPLOD started when? 1999/2000 or so? So the last non-Xplod HUs were like the 98s, the CDX-C7850 and C8850 being the last ones with what I now call the "classic" design that I personally liked so much. I guess some units continued into the Xplod line with "TV Control" and VERY FEW with (documented) "DSP Control" but those features are all gone now (or at least they aren't documented). I know I've said this before, but I always find it funny--the irony in the fact that the XDP-4000X IS an Xplod model! The XDP-4000X was one of Sony's BEST mobile peices ever and, well, the rest of the Xplod line shows examples of the WORST peices of Sony mobile gear ever! Roland M.