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1. 12:02 AM - Re: Roland, MDX400 (ToR)
2. 12:32 AM - Re: Roland, MDX400 (Roland M)
3. 04:17 PM - MAJOR Trouble (aprintis@attbi.com)
4. 06:55 PM - MAJOR Trouble (aprintis@attbi.com)
5. 07:26 PM - Re: MAJOR Trouble (Sqxpert@aol.com)
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
did you ever try the mdx-400 preamp unit without the in-dash, with
another head unit,
I am wondering if it would come up as an additional fm tuner or anything
else?
>
> The pre-amp unit is not used unless you want the MDX-400 to be the
MASTER
> unit. I.e. If you use the MDX-400 as a changer the pre-amp is NOT
used.
>
> Roland M.
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
>
>did you ever try the mdx-400 preamp unit without the in-dash, with
>another head unit,
>I am wondering if it would come up as an additional fm tuner or anything
>else?
>
No I've never tried that, and also I wouldn't recommend it. The MDX-400
in-dash is actually a UniLink SLAVE (though it is unique in that it also has
controls which use the UniLink SIRCS line and also a display on it). The
pre-amp is actually a UniLink MASTER with no controls. All controls are
handled by the in-dash. The two UniLink connectors on the pre-amp (one
marked changer or Bus Input and the other marked Indash Input) are actually
both, in effect, the same thing as the UniLink input found on any UniLink
HU. I wonder if you accidentally connected the in-dash to the one for
changers and a changer to the one for the in-dash if it would work
correctly? My guess is yes though I've never tried it.
Anyhow I apologise if my answers are a little lengthy--I'm just trying to be
thorough. I don't know what would happen if you connected a regular UniLink
head to the pre-amp. (I.e. I don't know if damage would occur to either
unit.) However it would be the same thing as trying to connect to UniLink
HUs together by simply using a UniLink cable!
An example would be trying to connect a CDX-C90 and an MDX-C7900 together by
connecting their UniLink connectors with a cable. This is certainly
physically possible, but probably NOT a good idea. At best I can imagine
the units would not function properly as they would both be "fighting" for
MASTER status on the UniLink bus (UniLink is ONLY capable of having ONE
master, BTW.). At worst you will end up damaging one or both of the units
due to blown UniLink circuit(s). I mean someone with two UniLink heads (or
an HU and the MDX pre-amp) lying around that they don't really care for
might want to try it, but I wouldn't risk it myself.
Roland M.
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: aprintis@attbi.com
I do not what happen today....
but I was setting up the left front sound stage for the second time. I had used
the crossover setting with the Sony DSC program, and used the Matronics control
panel for the EQ'ing.
Then, all of a sudden the system had out. I powered the head unit up again, but
at this moment, there is NO response from the head unit seeing the 4000x, even
though, it is ON and seems to operate. Also, the laptop does not see any of the
comm port from the DSP. And finally, the amp do not turn on. I had hanged out
the relay to make sure it was not that component. Up till then everything was
fine. I had the engine going, so I would not kill my battery. First round of
tuning went fine, except I could not download the EQ file into the DSP. Then, I
had walk away from the session (an hour later). When I came back for the second
round that is where I had the problems.
All connection are tight and in the correctly plugged!
Items I was using:
-Sony C910, completely refurbished by a locate Sony tech. Running great until
now.
-Sony XDP-4000x, working beauitfully, until now.
-Sony Vaio laptop
I need you guy's input to what had happen to me! Any help is appreicated.
Tony Printis
San Mateo, California
aprintis@attbi.com
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> 1. 03:33 AM - Re: Re: RSD (owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com)
> 2. 07:30 PM - Re: master and XDP-4000X problem (Roland M)
> 3. 07:54 PM - Re: sony europe and tv control (Roland M)
> 4. 08:05 PM - Re: Roland M, did you get your XT-U500V to work? (Roland
M)
> 5. 09:00 PM - Re: xt-u500v (Roland M)
> 6. 11:32 PM - Re: xt-u500v & RC71 (Roland M)
> 7. 11:38 PM - Re: xt-u500v & RC71 (Roland M)
> 8. 11:53 PM - Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) (Roland M)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 03:33:04 AM PST US
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Re: RSD
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by:
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> Thanks
>
>
> -Edu
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
> Subject: XDP4000X-List: Re: RSD
>
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord Dremgragen"
> <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Zapco Remote Status Display (RSD). They have a telephone-jack that you use
> to connect the RSD to the amplifier. The RSD shows power on, protection,
> independent left/right channel clipping sensors, and features a LO-P
> switch/light. When you turn LO-P on (stands for Low Power), when the amp
> clips it halves the amplifier's output. This helps save your speakers if you
> induce clipping.
>
>
> -Brody Z.
>
>
> Subject: Unable to locate message
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>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
> Time: 07:30:14 PM PST US
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: master and XDP-4000X problem
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> >From: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: master and XDP-4000X problem
> >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:38:45 -0500
> >
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Hi,
> >I'm thinking of using the Sony MDX-C8500X (or something else) as master
> >with DVX-100, XT-U500V and hopefully DMP3 mp3 player.
> >I want to use XDP-4000X but here is my problem
> >
> >1) does the XDP-4000X delay the sound about 500ms? Which would cause
> >sync problem with video??
> >2) I'm not sure if MDX-C8500X (or newer head units) will control
> >XDP-4000X
> >3) I'm not sure if MDX-C8500X has digital out.
> >4) MDX-C8500X has HX DSP, Crutchfield says Sony's most powerful built-in
> >signal processing package ever.
>
>
> I don't know if this has been mentioned yet (I haven't checked this email in
> a little while and there are a LOT of posts!), but if a unit has built-in
> DSP, such as "HX DSP" it is not meant to control an external DSP (i.e. an
> XDP unit).
>
> If you look carefully at the past models you will notice that such models
> that have "DSP" or "HX-DSP" dropped the DSP Control in order to "control"
> the internal processor. For example the difference between the CDX-C7850
> and CDX-C8850 was the fact that the C7850 had DSP/TV Control and the C8850
> had TV Control and HX DSP. (The C8850 also had Advanced ESP instead of ESP
> but that is just a small detail).
>
> The same applies for other models in the past--some of the 7 series models
> had DSP/TV CONTROLS, while some of the 8 series models had TV Control +
> Built-In DSP. It also has varied in different model years. For example the
> MDX-C8900 (MD "clone" of the CDX-C880) had DSP/TV Control and the year after
> had the MDX-C8970 which was the MD clone of the CDX-C8850 and therefore had
> TV Control + HX DSP in lieu of the DSP Control.
>
> Now you MIGHT be able to get SOME DSP control if you connect an XDP unit to
> the C8500X, but I don't think it will work correctly or you will be missing
> functions.
>
> In any case the official word from Sony was always that the units with
> built-in DSP ("DSP" on older models, "HX DSP" on later models) "gave up" DSP
> control in order to have that feature. I.e. They were never meant to
> control an XDP-766EQ, 210EQ, or 4000X, etc.
>
> As for the other questions, note that the C8500X did NOT have optical
> output. The only units I know of that had optical output were the CDX-900
> (or was it C900?), the CDX-C910, CDX-C90, and MDX-400. There may have been
> other units, but I know the C8500X did not have it.
>
> Also if you want to control the DVD changer as a changer via UniLink you
> will need an ADDITIONAL (Probably ~$100-$150) module, the XA-xxx (I can't
> remember the model number so I put x's in!).
>
> Roland M.
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
> Time: 07:54:01 PM PST US
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: sony europe and tv control
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> >From: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: sony europe and tv control
> >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:28:33 -0500
> >
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >
> >I think non of the head units sold in Europe can control tv-tuner
> >At least they are not advertised as
> >Very strange...
> >I couldn't find anything anywhere mentioning tv control in Europe, even
> >about models like MDX-400RDS and CDX-C90R
> >Does anyone know anything about this?
>
> Hmmm. I don't know enough about the RDS units to give an answer regarding
> your "no-video-to-Europe" theory, but you may have something there.
>
> I have the MDX-400/MDX-400RDS service manual (S/M), and it includes excerpts
> from the instruction manual (I/M) covering the same. Note that there may be
> pages from the I/M not included in the S/M "Instruction Manual Section"--and
> I don't have the full/original I/M.
>
> But here is the main observation... The MDX-400RDS has the RDS button
> "AF/TA" where the MDX-400 has the button marked "TV". But the strange thing
> is this: the I/M section that I have in the S/M for both models never
> mentions the TV button on the MDX-400 at all! It pretty much goes through
> as if the button did not exist! It says on the button legend/layout that
> the button is "AF/TA" and on the "MDX-400RDS Only"--it doesn't mention the
> TV button on the non-RDS unit nor does the manual "section" describe the TV
> tuner control functions!
>
> Since later on Sony replaced the multiple (CD,TV,Tuner,etc.) buttons with
> the single "SOURCE" button, this might not be immediately apparent in other
> units' manuals, but it is here.
>
> Funny enough, since I don't have a TV tuner installed in the system right
> now, the buttons on the MDX-400 work as follows (Note that my MDX-400 is
> slaved to an XR-C9100):
> CD = CD changer (pressing more than once cycles through CD changers)
> Tuner = FM1 (but it ONLY cycles through FM1,FM2--not AM!)
> MD = MD Changer (in my case the MDX-400 itself).
> TV = AM Tuner!!!
>
> I can't remember what the TV button did when the TV tuner was connected
> though... Anyhow, the SOURCE button on the C9100 still works as normal.
>
> Anyhow that was maybe a little extra information there. But in regards to
> the TV tuner thing, yes I do wonder how one would control a TV Tuner with
> the MDX-400RDS, because there is no "TV" button on the unit! (And in those
> days there was no "SOURCE" cycling button either.)
>
> Roland M.
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:05:47 PM PST US
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Roland M, did you get your XT-U500V to work?
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> >From: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Roland M, did you get your XT-U500V to work?
> >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:00:38 -0500
> >
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >I am assuming you're using it with 4000x and c90 + mdx400 as slave?
> >Did you have any problems?
>
> Actually, I *WISH* I had a C90 and 4000X! :D
>
> What I actually have is an XR-C9100 (cassette head "clone" to the CDX-C880),
> an XDP-210EQ, the MDX-400 slaved, and also CDX-T60 (analog only) and CDX-828
> (digitally connected) CD changers.
>
> Yep everything works good (well with the exception of the MDX-400 because it
> has an ailing pickup :( But this is a problem the MDX-400 is prone to.).
>
> The MDX-400 is actually connected digitally as well. Curiously if the 400
> is connected as the SOLE changer in the system, it HAS to be connected to
> the "SLAVE" digital input on the XDP-210EQ. But when the CDX-828 is
> connected as well (using a Multi changer adapter of course), then the
> MDX-400 HAS to be connected to the "MASTER" digital input!
>
> I'm thinking that this is because the XDP-210EQ is "smart" enough to know
> the changer is actually the CDX-828 and since the HU (C9100) has ONLY analog
> output, the logical place for the MDX-400's output would be the MASTER
> digital input on the 210EQ.
>
> I'm pretty sure all should go well with the "4000X + C90 + whatever
> changers" combination as well.
>
> The worst thing I can see happening is that the C90 and MDX-400 MIGHT have
> to share the MASTER digital input on the 4000X. But I think the more likely
> case will be that since the 4000X will know the C90 is the real MASTER and
> (considering it is in Digital out mode) it [the C90] should be connected
> there. Therefore the MDX-400 would likely have to share the SLAVE digital
> input as if it were a second changer (in the case that you had another
> changer with optical out that is).
>
> I hope that isn't too confusing! If it is, let me know and I'll try to
> clear it up.
>
> Roland M.
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 09:00:37 PM PST US
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> >From: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v
> >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:20:17 -0500
> >
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Roland M,
> >Did you get your u500v to work
> >Is there any one here using it?
> >Does it do any graphic generation at all?
> >
> >xt-u500v was produced at 91
> >xt-u400v was produced at 93
> >xt-40v was produced at 94
> >
> >T.
>
> Well about the U500V... Yes I did get it to work but I can't fully test it
> as I don't have a monitor (yet) or the RC-71 cable (or whatever the model
> number is).
>
> It DOES do graphic generation and I know this because I can't see the "LIST"
> function on the HU when I press LIST when the TV tuner is connected. What
> this tells me is that the graphics are indeed being displayed on the
> XT-U500V's monitor output (eventhough I can't actually see them this must be
> the case).
>
> However someone remarked that it doesn't do ALL the graphics generation that
> the XT-40V can. The thing that the 40V does over the U500V is the
> displaying of MD-Text (MD Title information) on the monitor. I think that
> is the only graphics generation difference. Note that not even the XT-40V
> can display CD-TEXT on the monitor as it isn't new enough for that.
>
> As for the U400V, I'm not sure about it's text capability but judging from
> the fact that the XT-40V is physically identical with a different model
> number, I'm going to guess that the U400V is just like the U500V in that it
> cannot display MD-Text on the monitor(s).
>
> Roland M.
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:32:54 PM PST US
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v & RC71
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >From: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v & RC71
> >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:01:25 -0500
> >
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Does anyone have the RC71 composite video converter cable for the
> >xt-u500v?
> >Can anyone send me a picture of it or tell me what it looks like?
> >Thanks
> >T.
>
> Crutchfield has this cable and a picture of it. They sell it for
> $29.99--the same as direct from Sony. Do you already have the tuner? If
> not, I could always take a picture of the port on the tuner and send it to
> you if you would like to see how the pin arrangement is.
>
> Funny enough the cable (and subsequently the port on the tuner) is more than
> just for video... It also extracts L/R audio output as well! The RC-71 has
> 3 RCAs coming out of it (Red/White/Yellow for R/L/Video).
>
> I have seen people selling the UniLink tuners on eBay though with a cable
> that appears to be homemade and has only the composite video output. The
> thing is, I have no clue what each of the pins in the connector are defined
> as. I can't remember off hand but I think there are 8 pins in the port.
>
> Roland M.
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 11:38:34 PM PST US
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v & RC71
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >From: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> >To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: xt-u500v & RC71
> >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:01:25 -0500
> >
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Does anyone have the RC71 composite video converter cable for the
> >xt-u500v?
> >Can anyone send me a picture of it or tell me what it looks like?
> >Thanks
> >T.
> >
> The cable on Crutchfield, by the way is the RC-70 which I'm sure does the
> same thing as the RC-71 (or is the proper model # in the case that RC-71
> doesn't exist).
>
> This is really difficult to find on Crutchfield as it appears to be listed
> strangely.
>
> To make it easier for you, here is the link :)
>
> http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-NjN3A9wMTC9/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=11&g=81600&I
> =158RC70
>
> Roland M.
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:53:50 PM PST US
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
>
> >Sony has DAB-100 Unilink DAB tuner (~$1100) for Europe and XT-XM1
> >Unilink XM Satellite Tuner (~$175 at crutchfield) for US.
> >
> >CDX-C90R can control DAB-100 and has RDS support.
> >
>
> I always wondered about DAB since DAB was SUPPOSED to take off in Canada and
> I know that several stations did indeed start broadcasting in DAB, in
> Toronto. I don't know what happened but it appears that the US push of XM
> and Sirius (and therefore non-acceptance of DAB) put Canada into a state of
> not really having digital radio at all! Well it is at least not very
> popular to my knowledge in ANY form (be it DAB, XM or Sirius).
>
> But that price on the DAB tuner is shocking! Over $1000??? And I assume
> you mean US dollars (or Euros which is close enough)? WOW that's costly
> indeed. I remember Pioneer had a DAB tuner for use with IP-Bus that was
> sold in Canada, but I don't know if it is still a current model here.
>
> I wonder if the NA Sony UniLink heads can even control the DAB tuner.
> Actually I really wonder WHAT units from the "past" can control the XM
> tuner! We know the C90 does but what about units like the CDX-C880?
>
> Anyhow, receiving DAB broadcast is free though, right? (It is just like
> regular radio--no subscription fees like XM or Sirius). Perhaps that has
> something to do with why the tuner is expensive?
>
> >In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
> >It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
> >European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered an
> >up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
>
> Really? That is interesting to know. I knew it was still available in
> Japan, but didn't know about Europe. Sony should still at least sell SOME
> units in NA if they are selling them all over the globe otherwise... Stupid
> Sony...
>
> >XT-63V is supposed to work exclusively with the Sony XAV-7W in-dash
> >receiver/monitor
> >
> >ToR.
>
> Yeah I don't think the XT-63V will work with the "TV Control" UniLink heads
> of time past. Funny enough I keep talking about the Sony HUs of the "past"
> but really that is exactly what they are! I mean XPLOD started when?
> 1999/2000 or so? So the last non-Xplod HUs were like the 98s, the CDX-C7850
> and C8850 being the last ones with what I now call the "classic" design that
> I personally liked so much.
>
> I guess some units continued into the Xplod line with "TV Control" and VERY
> FEW with (documented) "DSP Control" but those features are all gone now (or
> at least they aren't documented).
>
> I know I've said this before, but I always find it funny--the irony in the
> fact that the XDP-4000X IS an Xplod model! The XDP-4000X was one of Sony's
> BEST mobile peices ever and, well, the rest of the Xplod line shows examples
> of the WORST peices of Sony mobile gear ever!
>
> Roland M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: aprintis@attbi.com
Also, Guy's, is there a set switch or button on or in the 4000x unit?
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: MAJOR Trouble |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Sqxpert@aol.com
not to be down on you or anything- but you did go back , and check all your
coneections again , didn t you?
and , maybe you had a problem w/ the system totally crashingon you, have
heard that happening before!!!!
maybei don t know shit!- but just tring to kinda help out- i just got myne
the other day- but proablly won t see the car for a month or 2
i accually have a stupid qick question
anyone in here know if i need to run the octical- and the bus cable - or do
i just need to run the optical?
i know, kinda stupid- but just thought i would put it out there-
umm oh yeah- one other quick 1!!!!!!
anyone ever remote mount there c-90
should it be pretty easy for me to do that?
thanks again
tim koehle
sylvania ohio
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