XDP4000X-List Digest Archive

Wed 04/23/03


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 12:17 AM - Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Hyo68@aol.com)
     2. 02:57 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Lord Dremgragen)
     3. 05:31 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (. .)
     4. 05:55 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
     5. 05:56 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
     6. 07:00 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Doug Dobson)
     7. 10:25 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Hyo68@aol.com)
     8. 11:20 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Tom Beall)
     9. 11:33 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Hyo68@aol.com)
    10. 04:54 PM - New Software (Colin (DP Motorsport))
    11. 05:02 PM - Re: New Software (Pete)
    12. 05:11 PM - Re: New Software (Colin (DP Motorsport))
    13. 05:38 PM - Re: New Software (Hyo68@aol.com)
    14. 05:43 PM - Re: New Software (Colin (DP Motorsport))
    15. 05:51 PM - Re: New Software (Henry Faison)
    16. 06:28 PM - Re: New Software (Christof Gommers)
    17. 07:15 PM - Re: New Software (Doug Dobson)
    18. 07:20 PM - Re: New Software (Colin (DP Motorsport))
    19. 08:28 PM - Paying for software (aprintis@attbi.com)
    20. 08:51 PM - Re: New Software (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
    21. 09:57 PM - Re: New Software (. .)
    22. 10:29 PM - Re: New Software (Bobby Braun)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:17:30 AM PST US
    From: Hyo68@aol.com
    Subject: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one paid attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is tempting me to stray away. Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more xover selection, capability for MP3. Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent l/r adjustment... Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys think...www.eclipse-web.com Richard


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    Time: 02:57:24 AM PST US
    From: "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen@hotmail.com> We already own C90s (or 910s), most of us anyway. We all obviously like them with our 4kX, and what's so great about the old Sony ES units is ESP! Nobody else has it. The really nice thing about changing to Eclipse would be -being able to read the display during daylight! I like my C90 and it's low cost (in case it has to be replaced). I will stick with it for quite some time yet, I think. -Brody Z. From: Hyo68@aol.com Subject: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one paid attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is tempting me to stray away. Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more xover selection, capability for MP3. Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent l/r adjustment... Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys think...www.eclipse-web.com Richard


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    Time: 05:31:06 AM PST US
    From: ". ." <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: ". ." <mpiccin2@hotmail.com> How can we make informed comments if all were doing is talking about specs. I think the Eclipse deck is nice, but balanced line drivers wouldn't cause me to sell the sony stuff for the eclipse. The eclipse is basically an All-in-one deck which can be nice. But other than that thats a lot of money for only a few more features. And I couldn't agree more...the screens on the C90 suck during the day...I cannot read a single thing! Better x-over points ...well you guys know the rest. Mike >From: Hyo68@aol.com >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:16:40 EDT > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com > >I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one >paid >attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is >tempting me to stray away. >Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more >xover selection, capability for MP3. > >Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent >l/r adjustment... > >Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys >think...www.eclipse-web.com > >Richard > >


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    Time: 05:55:38 AM PST US
    From: NOTGSXR@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com In a message dated 4/23/03 3:18:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Hyo68@aol.com writes: > I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one > paid > attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is > tempting me to stray away. > Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more > xover selection, capability for MP3. > > Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent > > l/r adjustment... > > Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys > think...www.eclipse-web.com > > Richard I've tried to find info on this eclipse.... and unfortunately cannot........ The eclipse website is less than informative..... How many outputs does it have? Would i be able to use it as a 4 way xover? thanks Dan


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    Time: 05:56:49 AM PST US
    From: NOTGSXR@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com In a message dated 4/23/03 8:31:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mpiccin2@hotmail.com writes: > And I couldn't agree more...the screens on the C90 suck during the day...I > cannot read a single thing! > Better x-over points ...well you guys know the rest. > > Mike The 910's display sucks too......... but not sure i could part with it........ Dan


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    Time: 07:00:31 AM PST US
    From: "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson@chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson@chartermi.net> If any of you have seen a newer Eclipse during bright sunlight you will know that all of the display segments appear to light up making it nearly as hard to read. Not a huge deal either way, but if that's a reason to get a new deck, you may be disappointed. > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen@hotmail.com> > > > We already own C90s (or 910s), most of us anyway. We all obviously like them with our 4kX, and what's so great about the old Sony ES units is ESP! Nobody else has it. The really nice thing about changing to Eclipse would be -being able to read the display during daylight! I like my C90 and it's low cost (in case it has to be replaced). I will stick with it for quite some time yet, I think. > > > -Brody Z. > >


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    Time: 10:25:53 AM PST US
    From: Hyo68@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com well the biggest reason for me to consider it is that it is an all-in-one unit with more xover options than the xdp, as we know this is probably the major fault of the xdp. The eclipse has time alignment and eq, I'm just not sure on the quality compared to our c90/xdp combos. The eclipse actually has 4 outputs, the last is for sub. I'm seeing a similarity of this to the dex-p1r...you guys think it is a remodeled p1r? I do like the quality of our stuff...but how much better sounding can it be? Thanks


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    Time: 11:20:57 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Beall" <tom@gehrtroberts.com>
    Subject: Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tom Beall" <tom@gehrtroberts.com> Where can I see complete specs/features and/or an independent review of this eclipse piece? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hyo68@aol.com> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com > > well the biggest reason for me to consider it is that it is an all-in-one > unit with more xover options than the xdp, as we know this is probably the > major fault of the xdp. The eclipse has time alignment and eq, I'm just not > sure on the quality compared to our c90/xdp combos. The eclipse actually has > 4 outputs, the last is for sub. I'm seeing a similarity of this to the > dex-p1r...you guys think it is a remodeled p1r? I do like the quality of our > stuff...but how much better sounding can it be? Thanks > >


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    Time: 11:33:06 AM PST US
    From: Hyo68@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com <A HREF="www.eclipse-web.com">www.eclipse-web.com download the PDF file it has more info than the site itself In a message dated 4/23/2003 11:22:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tom@gehrtroberts.com writes: > > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tom Beall" <tom@gehrtroberts.com> > > Where can I see complete specs/features and/or an independent review of > this > eclipse piece? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Hyo68@aol.com> > To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! > > > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com > > > >well the biggest reason for me to consider it is that it is an all-in-one > >unit with more xover options than the xdp, as we know this is probably the > >major fault of the xdp. The eclipse has time alignment and eq, I'm just > not > >sure on the quality compared to our c90/xdp combos. The eclipse actually > has > >4 outputs, the last is for sub. I'm seeing a similarity of this to the > >dex-p1r...you guys think it is a remodeled p1r? I do like the quality of > our > >stuff...but how much better sounding can it be? Thanks > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:54:06 PM PST US
    From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
    Subject: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> Would we all be willing to pay Matronics to develop the new software with better crossover points? I know i certainly would!!! If we did it might happen, and fast. Colin


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    Time: 05:02:57 PM PST US
    From: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net>
    Subject: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net> I would definitely if it got done in reasonable time - it so needs it to be complete. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP Motorsport) Subject: XDP4000X-List: New Software --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> Would we all be willing to pay Matronics to develop the new software with better crossover points? I know i certainly would!!! If we did it might happen, and fast. Colin


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    Time: 05:11:58 PM PST US
    From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
    Subject: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> Agreed, considering we were just talking about it there. That's why i put this mail out??? -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net> I would definitely if it got done in reasonable time - it so needs it to be complete. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP Motorsport) Subject: XDP4000X-List: New Software --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> Would we all be willing to pay Matronics to develop the new software with better crossover points? I know i certainly would!!! If we did it might happen, and fast. Colin


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    Time: 05:38:22 PM PST US
    From: Hyo68@aol.com
    Subject: Re: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp, like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal ciruitry components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!! while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!


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    Time: 05:43:58 PM PST US
    From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
    Subject: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> So your in for paying for the new software!!! I'll compile a list of everyone that will pay for it and send it to Matronics!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hyo68@aol.com Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp, like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal ciruitry components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!! while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!


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    Time: 05:51:23 PM PST US
    From: "Henry Faison" <hfaison@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Henry Faison" <hfaison@nc.rr.com> Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP Motorsport) Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> So your in for paying for the new software!!! I'll compile a list of everyone that will pay for it and send it to Matronics!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hyo68@aol.com Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp, like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal ciruitry components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!! while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!


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    Time: 06:28:23 PM PST US
    From: "Christof Gommers" <christof.gommers@easynet.be>
    Subject: Re: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Christof Gommers" <christof.gommers@easynet.be> Same here, you can put me on the list. Christof. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Faison" <hfaison@nc.rr.com> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Henry Faison" <hfaison@nc.rr.com> > > Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP > Motorsport) > To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software > > > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" > <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> > > So your in for paying for the new software!!! I'll compile a list of > everyone that will pay for it and send it to Matronics!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > Hyo68@aol.com > To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software > > > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com > > FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp, > like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums > and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the > new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal > ciruitry > components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going > for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of > features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD > PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!! > while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these > things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more > adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it > happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!! > >


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    Time: 07:15:32 PM PST US
    From: "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson@chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson@chartermi.net> The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X. There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available. The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will have other components.


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    Time: 07:20:59 PM PST US
    From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
    Subject: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> The crossover points are limited to 253 different points of something, just need software to unlock it!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Dobson Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson@chartermi.net> The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X. There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available. The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will have other components.


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    Time: 08:28:19 PM PST US
    From: aprintis@attbi.com
    Subject: Paying for software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: aprintis@attbi.com You can count me in ! Hey, Matt, how much would you figure will need from us? Tony


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    Time: 08:51:07 PM PST US
    From: NOTGSXR@aol.com
    Subject: Re: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com In a message dated 4/23/03 11:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hfaison@nc.rr.com writes: > Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry me as well....... Dan


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    Time: 09:57:09 PM PST US
    From: ". ." <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
    Subject: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: ". ." <mpiccin2@hotmail.com> I am very intersted and I think all you need is a good hacker to "unlock" the software. Sony "locked" (or picked) those x-over points so that basically your system only sounded really good with the specifically designed matching Sony ES sub, mids and tweets. If they made multiple Sony has done this with everything they sell...a perfect example is the memory stick which only works with sony gear. Mike >From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:20:09 +0100 > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" ><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> > >The crossover points are limited to 253 different points of something, just >need software to unlock it!!! > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug >Dobson >To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software > > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson" ><dougdobson@chartermi.net> > >The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my >understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X. >There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the >hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available. >The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will >have other components. > >


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    Time: 10:29:46 PM PST US
    From: Bobby Braun <BobbyBraun@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: New Software
    --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Bobby Braun <BobbyBraun@comcast.net> My only question is this. How sure is Matronics and the rest of us that this task is actually possible. I've yet to hear or understand a valid or believable reason as to why Sony did not make this an option with the 4000x in the first place. It makes me wonder if the crossover only switches between different already pre-set modes because of internal hardware. Are we even sure that it even has a fully digital crossover system that can be manipulated solely with software? How can we be sure that it is possible for the 4000x to support other modes? It just doesn't add up. Sure I'd pay for more options, probably almost as much as I paid for the unit in the first place, but until someone can explain to me how and why it's possible, I'm still going to be skeptical. Please, I'm asking someone to prove me wrong, please. I want more crossover points as bad if not worse than anyone else! Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: <NOTGSXR@aol.com> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com > > In a message dated 4/23/03 11:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > hfaison@nc.rr.com writes: > > > Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry > > > me as well....... > > > Dan > >




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