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1. 12:17 AM - Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Hyo68@aol.com)
2. 02:57 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Lord Dremgragen)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (. .)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
5. 05:56 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
6. 07:00 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Doug Dobson)
7. 10:25 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Hyo68@aol.com)
8. 11:20 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Tom Beall)
9. 11:33 AM - Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! (Hyo68@aol.com)
10. 04:54 PM - New Software (Colin (DP Motorsport))
11. 05:02 PM - Re: New Software (Pete)
12. 05:11 PM - Re: New Software (Colin (DP Motorsport))
13. 05:38 PM - Re: New Software (Hyo68@aol.com)
14. 05:43 PM - Re: New Software (Colin (DP Motorsport))
15. 05:51 PM - Re: New Software (Henry Faison)
16. 06:28 PM - Re: New Software (Christof Gommers)
17. 07:15 PM - Re: New Software (Doug Dobson)
18. 07:20 PM - Re: New Software (Colin (DP Motorsport))
19. 08:28 PM - Paying for software (aprintis@attbi.com)
20. 08:51 PM - Re: New Software (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
21. 09:57 PM - Re: New Software (. .)
22. 10:29 PM - Re: New Software (Bobby Braun)
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Subject: | Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one paid
attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is
tempting me to stray away.
Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more
xover selection, capability for MP3.
Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent
l/r adjustment...
Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys
think...www.eclipse-web.com
Richard
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Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
We already own C90s (or 910s), most of us anyway. We all obviously like them with
our 4kX, and what's so great about the old Sony ES units is ESP! Nobody else
has it. The really nice thing about changing to Eclipse would be -being able
to read the display during daylight! I like my C90 and it's low cost (in case
it has to be replaced). I will stick with it for quite some time yet, I think.
-Brody Z.
From: Hyo68@aol.com
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one paid
attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is
tempting me to stray away.
Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more
xover selection, capability for MP3.
Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent
l/r adjustment...
Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys
think...www.eclipse-web.com
Richard
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Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: ". ." <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
How can we make informed comments if all were doing is talking about specs.
I think the Eclipse deck is nice, but balanced line drivers wouldn't cause
me to sell the sony stuff for the eclipse. The eclipse is basically an
All-in-one deck which can be nice. But other than that thats a lot of money
for only a few more features.
And I couldn't agree more...the screens on the C90 suck during the day...I
cannot read a single thing!
Better x-over points ...well you guys know the rest.
Mike
>From: Hyo68@aol.com
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:16:40 EDT
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
>
>I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one
>paid
>attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is
>tempting me to stray away.
>Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more
>xover selection, capability for MP3.
>
>Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent
>l/r adjustment...
>
>Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys
>think...www.eclipse-web.com
>
>Richard
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
In a message dated 4/23/03 3:18:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Hyo68@aol.com
writes:
> I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one
> paid
> attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is
> tempting me to stray away.
> Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more
> xover selection, capability for MP3.
>
> Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent
>
> l/r adjustment...
>
> Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys
> think...www.eclipse-web.com
>
> Richard
I've tried to find info on this eclipse.... and unfortunately cannot........
The eclipse website is less than informative..... How many outputs does it
have? Would i be able to use it as a 4 way xover? thanks
Dan
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Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
In a message dated 4/23/03 8:31:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mpiccin2@hotmail.com writes:
> And I couldn't agree more...the screens on the C90 suck during the day...I
> cannot read a single thing!
> Better x-over points ...well you guys know the rest.
>
> Mike
The 910's display sucks too......... but not sure i could part with
it........
Dan
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Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson@chartermi.net>
If any of you have seen a newer Eclipse during bright sunlight you will know
that all of the display segments appear to light up making it nearly as hard
to read. Not a huge deal either way, but if that's a reason to get a new
deck, you may be disappointed.
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord Dremgragen"
<dremgragen@hotmail.com>
>
>
> We already own C90s (or 910s), most of us anyway. We all obviously like
them with our 4kX, and what's so great about the old Sony ES units is ESP!
Nobody else has it. The really nice thing about changing to Eclipse would
be -being able to read the display during daylight! I like my C90 and it's
low cost (in case it has to be replaced). I will stick with it for quite
some time yet, I think.
>
>
> -Brody Z.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
well the biggest reason for me to consider it is that it is an all-in-one
unit with more xover options than the xdp, as we know this is probably the
major fault of the xdp. The eclipse has time alignment and eq, I'm just not
sure on the quality compared to our c90/xdp combos. The eclipse actually has
4 outputs, the last is for sub. I'm seeing a similarity of this to the
dex-p1r...you guys think it is a remodeled p1r? I do like the quality of our
stuff...but how much better sounding can it be? Thanks
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Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tom Beall" <tom@gehrtroberts.com>
Where can I see complete specs/features and/or an independent review of this
eclipse piece?
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hyo68@aol.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
>
> well the biggest reason for me to consider it is that it is an all-in-one
> unit with more xover options than the xdp, as we know this is probably the
> major fault of the xdp. The eclipse has time alignment and eq, I'm just
not
> sure on the quality compared to our c90/xdp combos. The eclipse actually
has
> 4 outputs, the last is for sub. I'm seeing a similarity of this to the
> dex-p1r...you guys think it is a remodeled p1r? I do like the quality of
our
> stuff...but how much better sounding can it be? Thanks
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
<A HREF="www.eclipse-web.com">www.eclipse-web.com download the PDF file it has more info than the site
itself
In a message dated 4/23/2003 11:22:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tom@gehrtroberts.com writes:
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tom Beall" <tom@gehrtroberts.com>
>
> Where can I see complete specs/features and/or an independent review of
> this
> eclipse piece?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Hyo68@aol.com>
> To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
>
>
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
> >
> >well the biggest reason for me to consider it is that it is an all-in-one
> >unit with more xover options than the xdp, as we know this is probably the
> >major fault of the xdp. The eclipse has time alignment and eq, I'm just
> not
> >sure on the quality compared to our c90/xdp combos. The eclipse actually
> has
> >4 outputs, the last is for sub. I'm seeing a similarity of this to the
> >dex-p1r...you guys think it is a remodeled p1r? I do like the quality of
> our
> >stuff...but how much better sounding can it be? Thanks
> >
> >
>
>
>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Would we all be willing to pay Matronics to develop the new software with
better crossover points? I know i certainly would!!! If we did it might
happen, and fast.
Colin
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net>
I would definitely if it got done in reasonable time - it so needs it to
be complete.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: XDP4000X-List: New Software
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)"
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Would we all be willing to pay Matronics to develop the new software
with
better crossover points? I know i certainly would!!! If we did it might
happen, and fast.
Colin
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Agreed, considering we were just talking about it there. That's why i put
this mail out???
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net>
I would definitely if it got done in reasonable time - it so needs it to
be complete.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: XDP4000X-List: New Software
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)"
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Would we all be willing to pay Matronics to develop the new software
with
better crossover points? I know i certainly would!!! If we did it might
happen, and fast.
Colin
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Subject: | Re: New Software |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp,
like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums
and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the
new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal ciruitry
components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going
for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of
features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD
PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!!
while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these
things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more
adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it
happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
So your in for paying for the new software!!! I'll compile a list of
everyone that will pay for it and send it to Matronics!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Hyo68@aol.com
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp,
like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums
and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the
new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal
ciruitry
components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going
for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of
features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD
PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!!
while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these
things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more
adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it
happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Henry Faison" <hfaison@nc.rr.com>
Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)"
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
So your in for paying for the new software!!! I'll compile a list of
everyone that will pay for it and send it to Matronics!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Hyo68@aol.com
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp,
like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums
and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the
new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal
ciruitry
components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going
for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of
features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD
PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!!
while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these
things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more
adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it
happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!
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Subject: | Re: New Software |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Christof Gommers" <christof.gommers@easynet.be>
Same here, you can put me on the list.
Christof.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Faison" <hfaison@nc.rr.com>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Henry Faison" <hfaison@nc.rr.com>
>
> Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP
> Motorsport)
> To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)"
> <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> So your in for paying for the new software!!! I'll compile a list of
> everyone that will pay for it and send it to Matronics!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Hyo68@aol.com
> To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68@aol.com
>
> FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp,
> like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in
forums
> and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but
the
> new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal
> ciruitry
> components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is
going
> for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of
> features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY
WOULD
> PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE
ADJUSTABLE!!
> while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these
> things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points
more
> adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it
> happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!
>
>
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Subject: | Re: New Software |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson@chartermi.net>
The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
have other components.
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
The crossover points are limited to 253 different points of something, just
need software to unlock it!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug
Dobson
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson"
<dougdobson@chartermi.net>
The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
have other components.
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Subject: | Paying for software |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: aprintis@attbi.com
You can count me in ! Hey, Matt, how much would you figure will need from us?
Tony
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Subject: | Re: New Software |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
In a message dated 4/23/03 11:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hfaison@nc.rr.com writes:
> Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry
me as well.......
Dan
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: ". ." <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
I am very intersted and I think all you need is a good hacker to "unlock"
the software. Sony "locked" (or picked) those x-over points so that
basically your system only sounded really good with the specifically
designed matching Sony ES sub, mids and tweets. If they made multiple
Sony has done this with everything they sell...a perfect example is the
memory stick which only works with sony gear.
Mike
>From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:20:09 +0100
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)"
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>The crossover points are limited to 253 different points of something, just
>need software to unlock it!!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug
>Dobson
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson"
><dougdobson@chartermi.net>
>
>The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
>understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
>There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
>hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
>The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
>have other components.
>
>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Bobby Braun <BobbyBraun@comcast.net>
My only question is this. How sure is Matronics and the rest of us that
this task is actually possible. I've yet to hear or understand a valid or
believable reason as to why Sony did not make this an option with the 4000x
in the first place. It makes me wonder if the crossover only switches
between different already pre-set modes because of internal hardware. Are
we even sure that it even has a fully digital crossover system that can be
manipulated solely with software? How can we be sure that it is possible
for the 4000x to support other modes? It just doesn't add up. Sure I'd pay
for more options, probably almost as much as I paid for the unit in the
first place, but until someone can explain to me how and why it's possible,
I'm still going to be skeptical. Please, I'm asking someone to prove me
wrong, please. I want more crossover points as bad if not worse than anyone
else!
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: <NOTGSXR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 4/23/03 11:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> hfaison@nc.rr.com writes:
>
> > Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry
>
>
> me as well.......
>
>
> Dan
>
>
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