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1. 02:09 PM - Tweeters too loud (Dick Brussee)
2. 03:15 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud (Randy Visentine)
3. 04:05 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
4. 06:45 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud ()
5. 07:04 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud (Bobby Braun)
6. 07:13 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
7. 07:19 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud (John Smith)
8. 07:24 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud (John Smith)
9. 08:00 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud (Bobby Braun)
10. 08:40 PM - Re: XA-D11? (Roland M)
11. 09:07 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud ()
12. 09:12 PM - Re: Tweeters too loud (Randy Visentine)
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| Subject: | Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dick Brussee" <djpbruss@xs4all.nl>
Hello,
My tweeters are just too loud... any idea how I can make it a few db's less ? They
are killing my ears.... Maybe a resistor or a setting in de xdp...
I didn't have room for an extra cable to the tweeters, so instead I used the filter
that came with the speakers. So the woofers and the tweeters are on the filter
(I put the filter in the doorpanel) And from there 1 cable goes to the amplifier.
Any ideas ?
Dick Brussee
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine <jvisentine@yahoo.com>
If you are not using the crossover in the XDP to its
full potential, you really are missing a large part of
the benefit to having the XDP4000x!
If you must stick to passive crossovers, the passive
box usually has internal jumpers or multiple tweeter
terminals to allow an attenuation of -3dB, and -6dB.
Or, you can set up an EQ in the XDP with slightly
rolled off highs - this would be superior as you still
retain all headroom in the highs as no resistors are
added post amplification.
I still say spring for 2 more channels of
amplification and run the XDP's crossover to allow
proper time correction of the individual drivers, and
level compensation. The digital crossover will blow
away any passive counterpart, and eliminates caps and
inductors in the signal path - this allows a direct
connection of the tweet to the amp - same for the mid.
Try those and let us know...
Randy V.
--- Dick Brussee <djpbruss@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dick Brussee"
> <djpbruss@xs4all.nl>
>
> Hello,
>
> My tweeters are just too loud... any idea how I can
> make it a few db's less ? They are killing my
> ears.... Maybe a resistor or a setting in de xdp...
>
> I didn't have room for an extra cable to the
> tweeters, so instead I used the filter that came
> with the speakers. So the woofers and the tweeters
> are on the filter (I put the filter in the
> doorpanel) And from there 1 cable goes to the
> amplifier.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Dick Brussee
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
i wholeheartedly agree with Randy............. Still using passives with the
XDP kinda misses its point in my opinion and the tweets are what comes
alive....... :)
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: <kephart@charter.net>
I have been back and forth about going active on my front
stage as well. The only problem is that the crossover
points offered by the 4000X are so limited.
What kind of components do you have? What about trying
some different tweeters instead? My favorite tweeters are
made by Adire audio (www.adireaudio.com) and are very
inexpensive at $65 each. They outperformed my a/d/s/ 3
series tweeters which cost twice as much.
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:05:03 EDT
NOTGSXR@aol.com wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
>
>i wholeheartedly agree with Randy............. Still
>using passives with the
>XDP kinda misses its point in my opinion and the tweets
>are what comes
>alive....... :)
>
>Dan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
I don't understand how your tweets could be too loud using an in line
capacitor on the tweeter lead. I always thought my tweets to be dull until
I added that fourth channel to my system, and wow did they come alive. I
have to agree with everyone and recommend adding the additional channel,
you'll then be able to adjust the gain of the tweeters separately and make
them as loud or soft as you wish. And the depth of the sound you'll get is
purely unbelievable, I've never heard anything even come close. My problem
is that my front left tweeter and woofer channel are about 2.5 db quieter
than the rights, and I've been unable to fix the problem. I figure it's
because of sound dampening in the door, and my ears being closer to the
noise on that side, but I just can't figure out how to fix it.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: <NOTGSXR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Tweeters too loud
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
>
> i wholeheartedly agree with Randy............. Still using passives with
the
> XDP kinda misses its point in my opinion and the tweets are what comes
> alive....... :)
>
> Dan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
In a message dated 10/22/03 9:58:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kephart@charter.net writes:
I have been back and forth about going active on my front
stage as well. The only problem is that the crossover
points offered by the 4000X are so limited.
What kind of components do you have? What about trying
some different tweeters instead? My favorite tweeters are
made by Adire audio (www.adireaudio.com) and are very
inexpensive at $65 each. They outperformed my a/d/s/ 3
series tweeters which cost twice as much.
Focal 3 ways here....... 165 EX Mistral line.... yes, the Xover points
suck... but the good by far outweighs the bad :)
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: John Smith <veritasz34@yahoo.com>
Well I agree and disagree. The 4000 does limit on the selection of both point and
slope. Some interiors may require something a little different than what is
offered. A properly executed passive can and will do just fine as long as you
don't skimp on the components. Also you can have a choice using passive between
parallel and series types (Or the hybrid DiAural types) which may even work
better in certain applications. I do recommend the ability of time alignment
that the unit offers. You may have to play around and see what works best in your
particular application.
NOTGSXR@aol.com wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
i wholeheartedly agree with Randy............. Still using passives with the
XDP kinda misses its point in my opinion and the tweets are what comes
alive....... :)
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: John Smith <veritasz34@yahoo.com>
turn the other side down 2.5dB........:)
Bobby Braun <bobbybraun@comcast.net> wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by:
"Bobby Braun"
I don't understand how your tweets could be too loud using an in line
capacitor on the tweeter lead. I always thought my tweets to be dull until
I added that fourth channel to my system, and wow did they come alive. I
have to agree with everyone and recommend adding the additional channel,
you'll then be able to adjust the gain of the tweeters separately and make
them as loud or soft as you wish. And the depth of the sound you'll get is
purely unbelievable, I've never heard anything even come close. My problem
is that my front left tweeter and woofer channel are about 2.5 db quieter
than the rights, and I've been unable to fix the problem. I figure it's
because of sound dampening in the door, and my ears being closer to the
noise on that side, but I just can't figure out how to fix it.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Tweeters too loud
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
>
> i wholeheartedly agree with Randy............. Still using passives with
the
> XDP kinda misses its point in my opinion and the tweets are what comes
> alive....... :)
>
> Dan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
ha ha, funny, that's what I already do, but it still blends the frequencies
wrong, I don't know how to explain it, I have great stereo separation, but
the right channel always stands out.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Smith" <veritasz34@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Tweeters too loud
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: John Smith <veritasz34@yahoo.com>
>
> turn the other side down 2.5dB........:)
>
> Bobby Braun <bobbybraun@comcast.net> wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message
posted by: "Bobby Braun"
>
> I don't understand how your tweets could be too loud using an in line
> capacitor on the tweeter lead. I always thought my tweets to be dull until
> I added that fourth channel to my system, and wow did they come alive. I
> have to agree with everyone and recommend adding the additional channel,
> you'll then be able to adjust the gain of the tweeters separately and make
> them as loud or soft as you wish. And the depth of the sound you'll get is
> purely unbelievable, I've never heard anything even come close. My problem
> is that my front left tweeter and woofer channel are about 2.5 db quieter
> than the rights, and I've been unable to fix the problem. I figure it's
> because of sound dampening in the door, and my ears being closer to the
> noise on that side, but I just can't figure out how to fix it.
>
> Bobby
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Tweeters too loud
>
>
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
> >
> > i wholeheartedly agree with Randy............. Still using passives with
> the
> > XDP kinda misses its point in my opinion and the tweets are what comes
> > alive....... :)
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: XA-D11?
>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:09:23 +0000
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Hey kids,
>
>Anybody havean extradigital coax-to-fiber-optic converter they want to
>sell? Mine snapped in half when I removed my head unit for cleaning. :(
>Just thought I'd try someone on the list before I called Sony and got raped
>for $35.
>
>E-mail me if you've got an extra you can sell. <A
>href="mailto:dremgragen@hotmail.com">dremgragen@hotmail.com
>-Brody Z.
>
Hey if you think $35 for the digital OUTPUT adapter is expensive you should
check out the price on the digital INPUT one for the MDX-C800REC... It is
like $80! It is the same form-factor as the D210/D211 except that it has a
Toslink receiver on it instead of an emitter, AFAIK. Now $35 certainly
isn't good for that little thing but the input adapter--that is "rapeage"
for a part if you ask me!
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: <kephart@charter.net>
"Focal 3 ways here....... 165 EX Mistral line...."
Ah, that's the problem. Those tweeters are notorious for
being a little harsh to some, and more bright than other
tweeters in that price range. What's nice is that you
have a killer processor to tone it down to your tastes.
"yes, the Xover points suck... but the good by far
outweighs the bad :)"
I totally agree. The problematic crossover is such a
minor thing compared to the incredible control you get
elsewhere. And right now I only use the crossover for for
low pass on my sub (my mids don't need a HPF).
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| Subject: | Re: Tweeters too loud |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine <jvisentine@yahoo.com>
If offered, and you really don't like the XDP's
crossover, still upgrade to one amp channel per
driver, set the XDP as an "all pass" for these
channels, and use the passive crossover in "bi-wire"
mode, or use the amp's active crossovers to allow more
flexibility - AND still get the time-alignment the XDP
was designed around...Even the best stand-alone
crossover in the world can't compensate for
time-alignment in a car! Let the XDP do it's job, and
you will be pleased.
Later - Randy V.
--- John Smith <veritasz34@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: John Smith
> <veritasz34@yahoo.com>
>
> Well I agree and disagree. The 4000 does limit on
> the selection of both point and slope. Some
> interiors may require something a little different
> than what is offered. A properly executed passive
> can and will do just fine as long as you don't skimp
> on the components. Also you can have a choice using
> passive between parallel and series types (Or the
> hybrid DiAural types) which may even work better in
> certain applications. I do recommend the ability of
> time alignment that the unit offers. You may have to
> play around and see what works best in your
> particular application.
>
> NOTGSXR@aol.com wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message
> posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
>
> i wholeheartedly agree with Randy............. Still
> using passives with the
> XDP kinda misses its point in my opinion and the
> tweets are what comes
> alive....... :)
>
> Dan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
>
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