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1. 06:26 AM - Digital Output on C90 (Brody Z)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: Digital Output on C90 (DB)
3. 06:46 AM - Re: Digital Output on C90 (Brody Z)
4. 07:42 AM - Re: Digital Output on C90 (Pete)
5. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Digital Output on C90 ()
6. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: Digital Output on C90 (Roland M)
7. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/30/03 (Roland M)
8. 09:12 PM - Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x (Bobby Braun)
9. 09:26 PM - Re: Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x (Roland M)
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| Subject: | Digital Output on C90 |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
Hey all,
Do you know if the digital out on the C90 is perhaps a regular digital coaxial
output and the DA-211 is just a converter OR if it is a proprietary output intended
to bring in more money (by selling the DA-211 as an accessory)?
I'm curious because I'm thinking about changing to the Alpine H700 processor and
a few of the nice decks out there that I like do not have a fiber optic digital
output, just a coaxial digital output. If the DA-211 isa digital coaxial -
fiber opticconverter, then I could just use it with one of the new decks with
coaxial digitalto get my fiber optic output to put into the H700 input.
Anyone know?
Thanks,
-Brody Z.
P.S. In case you were wondering,I'm thinking about making the change for a few
reasons. 1). I want a CD player with a READABLE DISPLAY during daytime (otherwise
I consider this the ultimate head unit). 2). I am tired of the less than optimal
crossover point selections on the 4000X. 3). I hate having to use a laptop
to make changes, I want to be able to do it at the driver's seat without any
extra trouble. 4). I hate that anytime you want to add something to the combo
that you have to buy an accessory to make it work without pulling some ghetto
install (like how I do aux in... I pull out the RCA input from the deck to
the processor and plug my accessory RCA output into that Master RCA input on the
4kX while keeping theC90 on the tuner to make the 4kX take the analog input).
line computer scan.
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Output on C90 |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: DB <dbotel6500@rogers.com>
Hi brody,
The Fibre optical out is not propritery...and the connector on the C90
is not a true
coaxial output. Not sure why sony didn't go with a typical interface,
but if you saw
the xad211, you'd know what I'm talking about...
If you had the XAD211, you should be able to get a fibre output, and
then buy a fibre
to coaxial output converter if you want to convert it to a digital
coaxial output...
Hope this helps,
Daniel
Brody Z wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
>
>Hey all,
>
>Do you know if the digital out on the C90 is perhaps a regular digital coaxial
output and the DA-211 is just a converter OR if it is a proprietary output intended
to bring in more money (by selling the DA-211 as an accessory)?
>
>I'm curious because I'm thinking about changing to the Alpine H700 processor and
a few of the nice decks out there that I like do not have a fiber optic digital
output, just a coaxial digital output. If the DA-211 isa digital coaxial
- fiber opticconverter, then I could just use it with one of the new decks with
coaxial digitalto get my fiber optic output to put into the H700 input.
>
>Anyone know?
>
>Thanks,
>-Brody Z.
>
>P.S. In case you were wondering,I'm thinking about making the change for a few
reasons. 1). I want a CD player with a READABLE DISPLAY during daytime (otherwise
I consider this the ultimate head unit). 2). I am tired of the less than
optimal crossover point selections on the 4000X. 3). I hate having to use a laptop
to make changes, I want to be able to do it at the driver's seat without
any extra trouble. 4). I hate that anytime you want to add something to the combo
that you have to buy an accessory to make it work without pulling some ghetto
install (like how I do aux in... I pull out the RCA input from the deck to
the processor and plug my accessory RCA output into that Master RCA input on
the 4kX while keeping theC90 on the tuner to make the 4kX take the analog input).
> line computer scan.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Output on C90 |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
Daniel,
I think you misunderstood me on multiple accounts.
I meant is the output on the C90 proprietary, not fiber optic out. The digital
output on the C90 deck itself is what I am talking about.
I own the C90, 4000X, and the D211, I know exactly what they all look like. I use
them in my setup right now.
I want to change to the Alpine PXA-H700 processor and get a different head unit.
Problem is the H700 takes fiber optic and all the decks I find have coaxial
digital output. So I don't need a fiber optic to coaxial conversion, I need a
coaxial to fiber optic conversion. I was asking if the D211 could be used as a
coaxial to fiber optic converter so I could use a head unit with coaxial digital
output with the Alpine H700 processor that takes fiber optic inputs.
-Brody Z.
----Original Message Follows----
From: DB <DBOTEL6500@ROGERS.COM>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Digital Output on C90
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: DB <DBOTEL6500@ROGERS.COM>
Hi brody,
The Fibre optical out is not propritery...and the connector on the C90
is not a true
coaxial output.Not sure why sony didn't go with a typical interface,
but if you saw
the xad211, you'd know what I'm talking about...
If you had the XAD211, you should be able to get a fibre output, and
then buy a fibre
to coaxial output converter if you want to convert it to a digital
coaxial output...
Hope this helps,
Daniel
Brody Z wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" <DREMGRAGEN@HOTMAIL.COM>
Hey all,
Do you know if the digital out on the C90 is perhaps a regular digital coaxial
output and the DA-211 is just a converter OR if it is a proprietary output intended
to bring in more money (by selling the DA-211 as an accessory)?
I'm curious because I'm thinking about changing to the Alpine H700 processor and
a few of the nice decks out there that I like do not have a fiber optic digital
output, just a coaxial digital output. If the DA-211 isa digital coaxial -
fiber opticconverter, then I could just use it with one of the new decks with
coaxial digitalto get my fiber optic output to put into the H700 input.
Anyone know?
Thanks,
-Brody Z.
P.S. In case you were wondering,I'm thinking about making the change for a few
reasons. 1). I want a CD player with a READABLE DISPLAY during daytime (otherwise
I consider this the ultimate head unit). 2). I am tired of the less than optimal
crossover point selections on the 4000X. 3). I hate having to use a laptop
to make changes, I want to be able to do it at the driver's seat without any
extra trouble. 4). I hate that anytime you want to add something to the combo
that you have to buy an accessory to make it work without pulling some ghetto
install (like how I do aux in... I pull out the RCA input from the deck to
the processor and plug my accessory RCA output into that Master RCA input on the
4kX while keeping theC90 on the tuner to make the 4kX take the analog input).
line computer scan.
Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home.
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| Subject: | Digital Output on C90 |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net>
"I want to change to the Alpine PXA-H700 processor and get a different
head unit. Problem is the H700 takes fiber optic and all the decks I
find have coaxial digital output. So I don't need a fiber optic to
coaxial conversion, I need a coaxial to fiber optic conversion. I was
asking if the D211 could be used as a coaxial to fiber optic converter
so I could use a head unit with coaxial digital output with the Alpine
H700 processor that takes fiber optic inputs."
DON'T'T DO IT!
The h700 is no where near the 4k for straight sq, comparatively the
alpine is a cheap piece in almost all respects. I would rather keep the
4k even if the x-overs are not perfect, solution is to base your
speakers around the xdp and you have one fine system. Too much hype
surrounds the h700. Firstly they had a noise issue which is supposed to
be fixed which is fine but I listened to it and the highs are no where
near as good (I think its just cheap really, bit of a pretender in this
company). Many people agree on this issue too. Unless you are going for
multimedia which I personally cant see the point in). You would have to
pay me to use an h700 :)
The alpine IMHO is a not in the same league.
Hope that helps.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brody Z
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Digital Output on C90
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
Daniel,
I think you misunderstood me on multiple accounts.
I meant is the output on the C90 proprietary, not fiber optic out. The
digital output on the C90 deck itself is what I am talking about.
I own the C90, 4000X, and the D211, I know exactly what they all look
like. I use them in my setup right now.
I want to change to the Alpine PXA-H700 processor and get a different
head unit. Problem is the H700 takes fiber optic and all the decks I
find have coaxial digital output. So I don't need a fiber optic to
coaxial conversion, I need a coaxial to fiber optic conversion. I was
asking if the D211 could be used as a coaxial to fiber optic converter
so I could use a head unit with coaxial digital output with the Alpine
H700 processor that takes fiber optic inputs.
-Brody Z.
----Original Message Follows----
From: DB <DBOTEL6500@ROGERS.COM>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Digital Output on C90
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: DB <DBOTEL6500@ROGERS.COM>
Hi brody,
The Fibre optical out is not propritery...and the connector on the C90
is not a true
coaxial output.Not sure why sony didn't go with a typical interface,
but if you saw
the xad211, you'd know what I'm talking about...
If you had the XAD211, you should be able to get a fibre output, and
then buy a fibre
to coaxial output converter if you want to convert it to a digital
coaxial output...
Hope this helps,
Daniel
Brody Z wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" <DREMGRAGEN@HOTMAIL.COM>
Hey all,
Do you know if the digital out on the C90 is perhaps a regular digital
coaxial output and the DA-211 is just a converter OR if it is a
proprietary output intended to bring in more money (by selling the
DA-211 as an accessory)?
I'm curious because I'm thinking about changing to the Alpine H700
processor and a few of the nice decks out there that I like do not have
a fiber optic digital output, just a coaxial digital output. If the
DA-211 isa digital coaxial - fiber opticconverter, then I could just use
it with one of the new decks with coaxial digitalto get my fiber optic
output to put into the H700 input.
Anyone know?
Thanks,
-Brody Z.
P.S. In case you were wondering,I'm thinking about making the change for
a few reasons. 1). I want a CD player with a READABLE DISPLAY during
daytime (otherwise I consider this the ultimate head unit). 2). I am
tired of the less than optimal crossover point selections on the 4000X.
3). I hate having to use a laptop to make changes, I want to be able to
do it at the driver's seat without any extra trouble. 4). I hate that
anytime you want to add something to the combo that you have to buy an
accessory to make it work without pulling some ghetto install (like how
I do aux in... I pull out the RCA input from the deck to the processor
and plug my accessory RCA output into that Master RCA input on the 4kX
while keeping theC90 on the tuner to make the 4kX take the analog
input).
line computer scan.
Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House &
Home.
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Output on C90 |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: <dbotel6500@rogers.com>
Ahh...I was totally confused on that front, as I was not
sure what you wanted to do. (For a second there, I thought you were considering
using the C90 as a source deck, but I totally missed your postscript! ;-)
Unfortunatly, you won't be able to use the DA211 as a
coax to optical converter, as that is not what it does.
There are converters that you can buy in the store for
around 30-40 bucks...
Hope this helps!
D
>
> From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
> Date: 2004/01/06 Tue AM 09:45:48 EST
> To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Digital Output on C90
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Output on C90 |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: <dbotel6500@rogers.com>
>
>Ahh...I was totally confused on that front, as I was not
>sure what you wanted to do. (For a second there, I thought you were
>considering using the C90 as a source deck, but I totally missed your
>postscript! ;-)
>
>Unfortunatly, you won't be able to use the DA211 as a
>coax to optical converter, as that is not what it does.
>
>There are converters that you can buy in the store for
>around 30-40 bucks...
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>D
>
>
Well technically speaking that is exactly what the XA-D210/211 does. It
does indeed have to convert some kind of electrical signal to an optical
one. The problem is that the output connector on the CDX-C90/C910 and
MDX-400 (and any other decks that have the "UniLink Digital Out" connector)
don't actually have an RCA type connection, thought it does look like it at
first.
The format is almost certainly the conventional electrical S/PDIF format
(aka Coax) but the connector isn't conventional. Instead it has a "3-line"
or "4-pole" miniplug/jack system with an "RCA-type" ring around it which
serves as a ground AFAIK.
The connection seems to have multiple grounds (judging from the service
manual)--meaning one ground and +xV ("x" becuase I don't know what the
voltage is for the adapter)--this powers the XA-D210/211 adapter's LED and
circuitry. The other poles seem to be for ground and signal for the S/PDIF
connection. Finally the ring seems to serve as another ground...
If you could determine which poles were which and how much voltage goes to
the adapter then technically speaking you should be able to do a coax to
optical conversion using a 4-pole minijack and plugging it into that and
getting all the connections right.
There is another consideration, however. S/PDIF comes in two
"flavours"--one is called TTL and the other is something else. One is +/-
0.5V and the other is +/- 5.0V. One is usually used "internally" in devices
while the other is used for external connections/cables--I can't remember
which is which. Also, which one Sony uses for that adapter interface I
don't know.
It is all too much of a hassle if you ask me. Instead you can pick up a
coax. to optical converter (1 way) for like $17 US from PartsExpress,
including a 6V AC adapter. Of course, in-car the adapter will be of no use
to you and you'll have to use a DC-DC converter to get the 6V to power the
converter.
Roland M.
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| Subject: | RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/30/03 |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>From: "Christian Arvizo" <xesz50@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/30/03
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:21:13 +0000
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Christian Arvizo"
><xesz50@hotmail.com>
>
>Roland M. my good man you have way too much time on your hands!!!
>
>Christian A.
>
>
LOL, yeah you are probably right! :D
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| Subject: | Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
A while back there was some discussion on the possibility on converting the USB
port to an RS232 serial port. I was a bit skeptical at the time as to whether
or not it would work, but recently I upgraded my laptop, and learned that a
serial port isn't an option on computers anymore. I was forced to try the USB-Serial
convertor, and even though there was some minor installation problems
with XP it did end up working, which is great news for us planning on using our
4000x's down the road! Just thought some of you would like to know, I don't
remember anyone else saying they'd successfully made the connection using a convertor
before.
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| Subject: | Using the USB port to connect to the 4000x |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
>
>A while back there was some discussion on the possibility on converting the
>USB port to an RS232 serial port. I was a bit skeptical at the time as to
>whether or not it would work, but recently I upgraded my laptop, and
>learned that a serial port isn't an option on computers anymore. I was
>forced to try the USB-Serial convertor, and even though there was some
>minor installation problems with XP it did end up working, which is great
>news for us planning on using our 4000x's down the road! Just thought some
>of you would like to know, I don't remember anyone else saying they'd
>successfully made the connection using a convertor before.
Yes this is correct AFAIK--no one has reported a USB to Serial converter to
work with the XDP-4kX (it was speculated it was because of the lack of
having a hardware interrupt I think...). Anyway, the key here is probably
the USB-->Serial converter you are using! Please share what brand and model
of converter you are using--I'm sure it would help out a lot of ppl!
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