Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 12:22 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) (Scott Thibault)
3. 12:01 PM - Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) (Stylnconcepts@aol.com)
4. 01:31 PM - Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) (Roland M)
5. 01:39 PM - Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) (Stylnconcepts@aol.com)
6. 03:31 PM - Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) (Christof Gommers)
7. 04:59 PM - Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) (Bobby Braun)
8. 10:19 PM - Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) (One Park)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the XDP4000X-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
XDP4000X-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/XDP4000X-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
XDP4000X-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the XDP4000X-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the XDP4000X-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
XDP4000X-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the XDP4000X-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
-------
[This is an automated posting.]
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
Radio broadcasting has differences between USA and Europe. Because of
that digitally tuning radios bought form USA do not work well in Europe
and in the other way around too.
North American FM broadcast channels are on multiples of odd 200KHz
frequencies: 99.5MHz, 100.1MHz, etc. In Europe, channels can be on any
multiple of 100KHz, even or odd.
also
FM stations in Europe use 75 microseconds pre-emphasis
FM stations in North America use 50 microseconds pre-emphasis
For AM, the difference is 10 kHz steps in the US vs. 9 kHz steps in
Europe.
This means that a digitally tuning radio from the USA will not tune
European stations properly. Frequency synthesizing tuners in Europe do
their actual tuning in shorter steps (for example 25 kHz).
For program type information
Europe uses RDS - Radio Data System; developed by European Broadcasting
Union (EBU)
US uses RBDS - Radio Broadcast Data System; developed by National Radio
Systems Committee (NRSC)
For digital/satellite radio
US uses XM
Europe uses DAB
Sony has DAB-100 Unilink DAB tuner (~$1100) for Europe and XT-XM1
Unilink XM Satellite Tuner (~$175 at crutchfield) for US.
CDX-C90R can control DAB-100 and has RDS support.
I'm not sure if CDX-C90 can control XT-XM1.
Supposedly XT-XM1 can be controlled by 2000-and up Sony receivers with
changer controls (except the CDX-CA400 and WX-4500X)
In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered an
up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
If anyone tested the XT-XM1 with CDX-C90, please tell..
Also if anyone tested the XT-63V with CDX-C90, please tell..
XT-63V is supposed to work exclusively with the Sony XAV-7W in-dash
receiver/monitor
ToR.
---My question is this --- anyone tested the XT-63V with CDX-C90, please tell..
XT-63V is supposed to work exclusively with the Sony XAV-7W in-dash
receiver/monitor
what feature will I lose if I tried to hook up a xav-7w to my CDX-C90. I was told
that the unilink protocal was diffrent.
---------------------------------
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Stylnconcepts@aol.com
any good sony service center can switch european radio tuners to us and vice
versa......I worked at a sony distributor/service center for 5 years and we
did it for thousands of radios for the european boat market.
If you have any needs for this service call CPS Marketing in Kansas City
816-241-2552
Paul
stylnconcepts@aol.com
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>
>XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR" <calculathor@hotmail.com>
>
> For program type information
> Europe uses RDS - Radio Data System; developed by European
>Broadcasting
> Union (EBU)
> US uses RBDS - Radio Broadcast Data System; developed by National
>Radio
> Systems Committee (NRSC)
>
Well I understand that there are differences in stepping and frequency range
and I don't know how much work/parts is involved in switching a unit to the
other stepping/frequency range, but as offered by another lister, it can be
done by someone who knows the Sony mobile gear and the tuner sections in
them...
What I *didn't* know was that RDS was actually slightly different in Europe
than it was in NA. I wonder if US RDS and Canadian RDS (in rare use in both
countries anyway) is the same. Regardless I'm pretty sure that a Canadian
car with RDS picks up US RDS fine and vice versa... Furthermore I remember
coming across somone online that was a technician for electronics and
changed his US XR-C900 to be RDS capable and it worked fine (in the US) he
said. He said there were a few parts that needed to be changed, much like
what I believe the other lister was talking about regarding the
conversion...
> For digital/satellite radio
> US uses XM
> Europe uses DAB
>
> Sony has DAB-100 Unilink DAB tuner (~$1100) for Europe and XT-XM1
> Unilink XM Satellite Tuner (~$175 at crutchfield) for US.
>
> CDX-C90R can control DAB-100 and has RDS support.
>
> I'm not sure if CDX-C90 can control XT-XM1.
> Supposedly XT-XM1 can be controlled by 2000-and up Sony receivers
>with
> changer controls (except the CDX-CA400 and WX-4500X)
>
> In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
> It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
> European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered
>an
> up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
>
> If anyone tested the XT-XM1 with CDX-C90, please tell..
> Also if anyone tested the XT-63V with CDX-C90, please tell..
>
> XT-63V is supposed to work exclusively with the Sony XAV-7W in-dash
> receiver/monitor
>
> ToR.
>
>
Well we know for sure that the XT-XM1 will work with the C90 because several
listers actually have a XM1 connected to it. I believe it functions as a
MiniDisc changer (?) on the C90... It is true that all Sony units from 2000
and up (i.e. Xplod) with changer control can control the XM tuner but there
are several other models, like the C90, that can as well. The dumb thing is
that Sony never released that info! They could have made it very easy by
just making a list of units it will work with but they never did! Instead
they just say that "most" units from 98 (or was it 99) will control it and
that all units specifiying "XM Ready" will also control it.
I wonder if the CDX-C680/C780/C880 would be able to control the XM tuner,
but I would think the C7850 and C8850 should be able to without problems
because they were actually a year later than the C90 and if the C90 can do
it I don't see why later designed units wouldn't be able to as well.
As for the C90R and whether the C90R can control the XM tuner or vice versa
(if the C90 can control the DAB tuner), that I don't know. UniLink is quite
intuitive, despite the fact that little is known about it, so I would
imagine that the DAB tuner would work similar to the XM tuner and show up as
an MD unit? In that case I'd imagine it would be cross compatible...
Roland M.
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Stylnconcepts@aol.com
it is actually very cheap to change the tuner ...all that is needed is a
couple of caps and an o-scope.....Heath (our old service tech) could knock out
50
conversions in a 8 hour work day :>
Paul
stylnconcepts@aol.com
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Christof Gommers <christof.gommers@easynet.be>
Scott Thibault wrote:
> In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
> It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
> European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered an
> up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
The CDX-C90R is also discontinued in Europe and they switched to the
Xplod junk.
Christof.
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
So is or isn't the C90 discontinued in Europe, I hear it's still available
in Japan. What's the deal?
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christof Gommers" <christof.gommers@easynet.be>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more)
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Christof Gommers
<christof.gommers@easynet.be>
>
> Scott Thibault wrote:
>
> > In Europe it's hard to find a used CDX-C90R.
> > It is sold as "CD Tuner with DAB Control" and retails around $1300
> > European version of CDX-C90 is not discontinued and still considered an
> > up-to-date high-end Sony receiver.
>
> The CDX-C90R is also discontinued in Europe and they switched to the
> Xplod junk.
>
> Christof.
>
>
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 vs. cdx-c90r (and more) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "One Park" <paikiah@hotmail.com>
>So is or isn't the C90 discontinued in Europe, I hear it's still available
>in Japan. What's the deal?
>
>Bobby
>
>
It is still available brand new in Japan, but the tuner section is
different, wont' work in the US. (I'm guessing it's prolly the c90r then).
FYI, the XDP-210EQ is still available in Japan too.
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|