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1. 01:30 AM - Re: Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/07/04 (Roland M)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? (Mike Piccin)
3. 08:54 AM - Re: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? (Mike Piccin)
4. 11:55 AM - Re: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? (Roland M)
5. 12:19 PM - Re: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? (Roland M)
6. 12:46 PM - Re: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? (Roland M)
7. 07:50 PM - Re: XDP-4000x Toslink Input... (Roland M)
8. 08:59 PM - Re: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? (David Kennedy)
9. 08:59 PM - Re: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? (David Kennedy)
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| Subject: | Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/07/04 |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"
><ldivinag@csuhayward.edu>
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> >The RM-X2S and X4S remotes that use the miniplug on the back of the Sony
> >decks utilise a command protocol called SIRCS (Sony InfraRed Control
> >System). SIRCS is IR information modulated over an electrical wire (i.e.
>an
> >electrical equivalent of the light signal transmitted by a wireless
>remote).
> >
> >
>
>i thought the sony wired remotes just used a simple resistor ladder design?
>_-
Yeah they pretty much do, but isn't that how SIRCS is acheived? Hmm,
perhaps I'm confused? I should probably take a look at a service manual to
be sure...
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| Subject: | Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
Wow, does this mean I have to cut the wires on the rotary control to get
this interface to work? Are you saying to cut off the mini-plug of the
interface and then splice the wires from the interface into the wires of the
rotary control plug?
Hmm, does anyone have a dead rotary control that doesn't work anymore so
that I could have just the plug that goes into the back of the C90?
Thanks for the help,
Mike
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
I think this has been discussed in a little more detail before, but the
answer is that it is *possible* but it requires some modification of parts
somewhere along the line.
The RM-X2S and X4S remotes that use the miniplug on the back of the Sony
decks utilise a command protocol called SIRCS (Sony InfraRed Control
System). SIRCS is IR information modulated over an electrical wire (i.e. an
electrical equivalent of the light signal transmitted by a wireless remote).
The SIRCS line can be found on virtually ALL Sony electronics (not just car
audio) however it appears in different formats/connectors with varying
compatiblity and sometimes can only be accessed via internal taps on the
circuit board(s) of equipment.
In Sony car audio, SIRCS is found both on that green coloured minijack on
most Sony HUs as well as on the UniLink connection/cable. I remember
reading that SIRCS is also carried on the C90s wired remote connector but
since the connector is different, obviously the miniplug from the X4S, X2S,
or SoundGate adapter would not fit. However if you spliced into the wire
for the C90 wired remote you would be able to find the proper SIRCS wires
and be able to connect it that way, I believe. You could also go from
inside the C90 itself, tapping into the proper lines either on the remote
connection or on the UniLink connection. So there are a number of ways you
can probably make the connection for the SW1.
I know that it has been done on many cars with the GM steering controls and
the C90 combo, so it isn't something that no one has done--therefore you may
be able to find specifics on the internet (if not on the archives of this
very list).
Also one could probably figure this info out pretty easily with the C90
service manual (nicely available on the Matronics site :) ), AND a service
manual from a unit which carries the green minijack for the X4S/X2S remote
(unfortunately NOT found on the Matronics site). Then all you'd need to do
is figure out what connections you need on the minijack/plug (there would be
3--likely SIRCS, ground and something else) and find appropriate points in
the C90 to connect to.
Roland M.
>From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
>Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:31:20 -0500
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
>
>Hi, I have a 99' Grand Prix with steering wheel controls. So I bought a
>Soundgate GMSW1 Interface
>(http://www.soundgate.com/products/remote-audio/gm.htm) to make the
>steering
>wheel controls still work. According to the Soundgate website the "Sony
>radio must be RMX-2S or 4S Rotary Commander compatible" and a 1/8"
>mini-plug
>is required to be plugged in the back on the Sony deck (you can see the
>plug
>in the picture)...Well after taking out the C90 I realized that there's no
>place to plug in the mini-plug! This Soundgate interface says if works
>with
>all Sony ES recievers. Isn't the C90 joystick a RMX-2S? Any one have
any
>experience with this interface?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>
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| Subject: | Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
Ok I emailed Sondgate and it looks like I'm out of luck...here's what hey wrote:
"Actually no, the CDX-C90 uses a different rotary commander called the RMX-6s.
Check the owners manual of the CD Player and you will see that it is a different
special brushed aluminum thing that was built for that player only. Sorry it
will not work with any other commander language than the 2s or 4s commanders.
Thanks CHET."
So could I still just cut the wires and make it work as you mentioned below?
Thanks, Mike
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Roland M" <MDX400@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <MDX400@HOTMAIL.COM>
I think this has been discussed in a little more detail before, but the
answer is that it is *possible* but it requires some modification of parts
somewhere along the line.
The RM-X2S and X4S remotes that use the miniplug on the back of the Sony
decks utilise a command protocol called SIRCS (Sony InfraRed Control
System).SIRCS is IR information modulated over an electrical wire (i.e. an
electrical equivalent of the light signal transmitted by a wireless remote).
The SIRCS line can be found on virtually ALL Sony electronics (not just car
audio) however it appears in different formats/connectors with varying
compatiblity and sometimes can only be accessed via internal taps on the
circuit board(s) of equipment.
In Sony car audio, SIRCS is found both on that green coloured minijack on
most Sony HUs as well as on the UniLink connection/cable.I remember
reading that SIRCS is also carried on the C90s wired remote connector but
since the connector is different, obviously the miniplug from the X4S, X2S,
or SoundGate adapter would not fit.However if you spliced into the wire
for the C90 wired remote you would be able to find the proper SIRCS wires
and be able to connect it that way, I believe.You could also go from
inside the C90 itself, tapping into the proper lines either on the remote
connection or on the UniLink connection.So there are a number of ways you
can probably make the connection for the SW1.
I know that it has been done on many cars with the GM steering controls and
the C90 combo, so it isn't something that no one has done--therefore you may
be able to find specifics on the internet (if not on the archives of this
very list).
Also one could probably figure this info out pretty easily with the C90
service manual (nicely available on the Matronics site :) ), AND a service
manual from a unit which carries the green minijack for the X4S/X2S remote
(unfortunately NOT found on the Matronics site).Then all you'd need to do
is figure out what connections you need on the minijack/plug (there would be
3--likely SIRCS, ground and something else) and find appropriate points in
the C90 to connect to.
Roland M.
From: "Mike Piccin" <MPICCIN2@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" <MPICCIN2@HOTMAIL.COM>
Hi, I have a 99' Grand Prix with steering wheel controls.So I bought a
Soundgate GMSW1 Interface
(http://www.soundgate.com/products/remote-audio/gm.htm) to make the
steering
wheel controls still work.According to the Soundgate website the "Sony
radio must be RMX-2S or 4S Rotary Commander compatible" and a 1/8"
mini-plug
is required to be plugged in the back on the Sony deck (you can see the
plug
in the picture)...Well after taking out the C90 I realized that there's no
place to plug in the mini-plug!This Soundgate interface says if works
with
all Sony ES recievers. Isn't the C90 joystick a RMX-2S?Any one have any
experience with this interface?
Thanks,
Mike
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| Subject: | Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
>Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:54:01 -0500
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Ok I emailed Sondgate and it looks like I'm out of luck...here's what hey
>wrote:
>
>
>"Actually no, the CDX-C90 uses a different rotary commander called the
>RMX-6s. Check the owners manual of the CD Player and you will see that it
>is a different special brushed aluminum thing that was built for that
>player only. Sorry it will not work with any other commander language than
>the 2s or 4s commanders. Thanks CHET."
>
>
>So could I still just cut the wires and make it work as you mentioned
>below?
>
>
>Thanks, Mike
>
Yeah that is what I thought (that it could still be used) but now I'm not so
sure... You should check the list archive (maybe a search for soundgate
would do), because I'm sure this was discussed before. I know that there
have been installs where they have gotten the GM steering controls to work
with the C90--it *might* have been a GM to IR emitter adapter though, but
I'm not 100% sure.
Also the RM-X6S *isn't* the remote that comes with the C90. I dunno what
the C90s wired remote model number is but it isn't the X6S. The X6S is a
larger "knob" wireLESS remote which works on the "HiR" remote frequency that
a (relative) FEW Sony car decks are capable of (the CDX-CA850X and CA860X
were the first to use HiR, I believe). Anyway the X6S is definitely not the
C90's remote and it isn't compatible with the C90.
(This is a pic of the X6S remote, by the way:
http://i19.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/2d/e4/12_1.JPG )
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| Subject: | Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
>Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:54:01 -0500
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
>
>
>So could I still just cut the wires and make it work as you mentioned
>below?
>
>
>Thanks, Mike
>
Okay I have to apologise... The resistor-ladder "protocol" that the X2S and
X4S use is NOT SIRCS and isn't related to SIRCS (it might get changed to
SIRCS inside the HU though as that is the internal command protocol of
nearly all Sony electronics--but this is besides the point). I guess I just
got confused between SIRCS and the system used by the wired remote
commanders.
So forget about anything I said about SIRCS. However I was correct in
remember that someone did say something about the wired remote commander
cable/connector for the C90 being capable of carrying the other remote
signals.
If you check out this link to a previous Matronics/XDP list mail sent by
David Kennedy you will see what he said about the connector:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=2398318?KEYS=wired_remote?LISTNAME=XDP4000X?HITNUMBER=24?SERIAL=12101826578?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
I'm not sure whether he was right or not, but if you look at the other
emails sent from the same person you will see that he made his own custom
remote control system somehow for the C90 using the connector so I'd imagine
he knew something about it. Unfortunately, however, the site he linked to
with the pics is not coming up anymore :(
There may still be hope for you to connect the GMSW1 then, through the wires
David spoke of above...
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
>However I was correct in
>remember[ing] that someone did say something about the wired remote
>commander
>cable/connector for the C90 being capable of carrying the other remote
>signals.
>
>If you check out this link to a previous Matronics/XDP list mail sent by
>David Kennedy you will see what he said about the connector:
>
>http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=2398318?KEYS=wired_remote?LISTNAME=XDP4000X?HITNUMBER=24?SERIAL=12101826578?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
>
>I'm not sure whether he was right or not, but if you look at the other
>emails sent from the same person you will see that he made his own custom
>remote control system somehow for the C90 using the connector so I'd
>imagine
>he knew something about it. Unfortunately, however, the site he linked to
>with the pics is not coming up anymore :(
>
>There may still be hope for you to connect the GMSW1 then, through the
>wires
>David spoke of above...
>
>Roland M.
>
Okay so I did a little research and found out this about the C90's remote
connector... Before that I do have a question though--is the C90's remote
*illumintated* at night??? From the wiring diagram it looks like it is! I
never knew that before!
There appear to be 5 meaningful wire connections on the wired remote (though
I think there maybe upto 7pins in the connector?)...
As David stated in another previous email to the list, he was speculating
that the C90's wired remote (the correct model number is the RM-X9 by the
way) uses an optical sensor system which is powered by +/- lines on the
wire/connector. He was speculating that the two signal lines that carry the
actual control (equivalent resistance?) information were the same as the
previous remotes. He never did clear that up in any subsequent mailings but
perhaps you could email him at the address he used then to see if he still
gets email there?
Anyway the 5 wires seem to be as follows:
Pin# | Description
5 RC IN0
3 RC IN1
4 ENC +
6 ENC -
2 ILL on 10V (I'm guessing this is the illumination wire? 10V or
more gets illumination, correct?)
So it looks like if it were any two wires that would be related to the old
remote it would be the wires on pins 3 & 5 (RC IN lines). Pins 4 & 6 would
be the power to the remote's sensor system I'm thinking and the information
going through 3/5 (if David was correct) would be the same remote info as
before. Unfortunately the service manual does not seem to show what colour
the wires are--you'll have to use the S/M and determine which connector
postions are which on your own.
Also I'm not sure which wires the X2S/X4S would be using. Just from looking
at the S/M for the MDX-400 which uses a similar (but not exactly the same)
RM-X38 wired remote, it appears that there are 3 wire connections (this
agrees with the 3 conductor miniplug on the wired remotes' connection). One
is for ground/sheild and the other two are for signal.
It will take a little more looking into, to find which wires are the right
ones in the C90 and in the X4S/X2S agree with one another, BUT if David was
correct in thinking these wires would work the SAME as the other units then
it would work.
There is always the small caution that it might not be exactly the same
resistance selections on the C90 as on the X4S/X2S using units. For example
the X1S that was used in older units like the XK-R100 is completely
incompatible with the X2S/X4S and vice versa. (Incidentally the X2S and X4S
themselves are nearly IDENTICAL to one another and are completely
cross-compatible). Another example is the X38 from the MDX-400. Plugging
an X2S/X4S into the remote jack on the 400's tuner/pre-amp results in a
remote which works but the commands are completely messed up and not all
commands are available). This may not be the case with the C90 however, and
it may use the exact same resistance values as the X4S/X2S and it may work
out fine.
I'd suggest trying to do a little more research though. If you have an
X2S/X4S remote handy it would be especially helpful in determining how to
make the connection and if it would work 100% correctly or not.
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000x Toslink Input... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
Well it was a little while ago that this topic was being discussed but I do
have an update of sorts...
Okay so I finally got around to testing this in my house. I hooked up a
spare MDX-400 unit to my PC (for 12V power), set the output for digital and
put the D210/D211 adapter in... Connected it to my receiver and began play
of an MD...
However I didn't find a 48kHz sampling rate--I found the sampling rate to be
a Linear PCM at a standard 44.1kHz with the appropriate (1411kpbs data
rate). This, as displayed on my receiver's front panel while it was playing
the source material from the MDX-400's digital output.
I could also try my CDX-828 in the house and see what it comes up with, but
I'm thinking I'm going to get 44.1kHz again anyway. I wonder if, when the
XDP-4000X is connected, it would be able to "command" the source units
(CD/MD changers, C90/C910/MDX-400, etc.) to output PCM digital at 48kHz
instead of 44.1kHz??? This MAY be a possibility but I'm still kind of
skeptical that this capability would have been built into units as old the
MDX-400 and C910. I guess we don't really know if the digital out from the
MDX-400 will work with the XDP-4kX (I don't remember if anyone here has that
setup); but we do know the C910s does; and also CD changers as old as the
CDX-91 work with the 4kX's optical inputs, correct?
So I'm still kinda wondering how you found the 48kHz sample rate on the
outputs of the source units (C90? CDX-828/838?)...
Still the CS D/As in the 4000X should be able to do any sample rate from 32
to 48kHz without any problems. Matt I'm guessing you had problems inputting
a digital source into the XDP unit? Perhaps you could describe in-detail
how the connection was made and what the source was, as well as what UniLink
input/source the HU was set to?
Roland M.
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>>
>>Hey Guys,
>>
>>I was wondering if anyone knew why the Toslink inputs on the Sony
>>XDP-4000x
>>are hard set at a 480000 sample rate? It will not auto-sync at any other
>>sample rate such as the common CD rate of 44.1k. This means that all of
>>the Sony Changers and head unit CD outputs have to be up converted from
>>the
>>native 44.1k sample rate to the 48k required by the 4k. This just doesn't
>>make any sense to me from a performance or quality standpoint. It would
>>keep 4k owners from just hooking up any generic cd changer to the unit,
>>but
>>that seems a little subversive.
>>
>>Any thoughts or information on this would be most appreciated.
>>
>>Matt Dralle
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: mdx400@hotmail.com (Roland M.)
>
>Are you certain of that Matt? That would also mean that the sampling rates
>coming out of the C90, C910, MDX-400, and all CD changers with an optical
>output would ALL be throwing 48kHz through their outputs. And that would
>also mean both the 210EQ and U50D also use 48kHz sampling.
>This is non-optimal indeed! I know that I once used the optical out from
>my CDX-828 to record to a portable MD player (by simply removing the
>optical cable and plugging it another optical into the MD unit) but of
>course the portable MD had a built-in sampling rate converter so I'd never
>have known it was 48kHz or not. This certainly seems odd... I think I
>should try hooking some of this equipment up in my house (I have a spare
>MDX-400 I can use for starters) to my receiver and since it displays the
>word lenth, sampling frequency and bit length I can see if that is the case
>without a 4000X connected. (Perhaps the changers, etc. can be "commanded"
>to output either 44.1kHz or 48kHz?)
>I'm assuming you have done something similar already to verify this 48k
>sampling frequency yourself then eh?
>The CS D/As in the 4000X are certainly capable of multiple sampling rates
>so I wonder why they wouldn't allow them to be used? I'm guessing you've
>also tried inputting other sampling rates such as 44.1kHz or 32kHz without
>success?
>This is certainly quite the revelation! 48kHz? Why on earth???
>Roland M.
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| Subject: | Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1@hotmail.com>
This should work, just hook it to the correct two wires in the c90. there
are two more that run the backlight and two that run the volume up/down, but
the other two are compatible with all of the other rotary commanders & their
interfaces.
You'll have to cut your existing rotary commander's wire because its next to
impossible to get replacement plugs for that. I think the mfgr told me you
have to order 10,000 minimum.
David Kennedy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
>However I was correct in
>remember[ing] that someone did say something about the wired remote
>commander
>cable/connector for the C90 being capable of carrying the other remote
>signals.
>
>If you check out this link to a previous Matronics/XDP list mail sent by
>David Kennedy you will see what he said about the connector:
>
>http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=2398318?KEYS=wir
ed_remote?LISTNAME=XDP4000X?HITNUMBER=24?SERIAL=12101826578?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
>
>I'm not sure whether he was right or not, but if you look at the other
>emails sent from the same person you will see that he made his own custom
>remote control system somehow for the C90 using the connector so I'd
>imagine
>he knew something about it. Unfortunately, however, the site he linked to
>with the pics is not coming up anymore :(
>
>There may still be hope for you to connect the GMSW1 then, through the
>wires
>David spoke of above...
>
>Roland M.
>
Okay so I did a little research and found out this about the C90's remote
connector... Before that I do have a question though--is the C90's remote
*illumintated* at night??? From the wiring diagram it looks like it is! I
never knew that before!
There appear to be 5 meaningful wire connections on the wired remote (though
I think there maybe upto 7pins in the connector?)...
As David stated in another previous email to the list, he was speculating
that the C90's wired remote (the correct model number is the RM-X9 by the
way) uses an optical sensor system which is powered by +/- lines on the
wire/connector. He was speculating that the two signal lines that carry the
actual control (equivalent resistance?) information were the same as the
previous remotes. He never did clear that up in any subsequent mailings but
perhaps you could email him at the address he used then to see if he still
gets email there?
Anyway the 5 wires seem to be as follows:
Pin# | Description
5 RC IN0
3 RC IN1
4 ENC +
6 ENC -
2 ILL on 10V (I'm guessing this is the illumination wire? 10V or
more gets illumination, correct?)
So it looks like if it were any two wires that would be related to the old
remote it would be the wires on pins 3 & 5 (RC IN lines). Pins 4 & 6 would
be the power to the remote's sensor system I'm thinking and the information
going through 3/5 (if David was correct) would be the same remote info as
before. Unfortunately the service manual does not seem to show what colour
the wires are--you'll have to use the S/M and determine which connector
postions are which on your own.
Also I'm not sure which wires the X2S/X4S would be using. Just from looking
at the S/M for the MDX-400 which uses a similar (but not exactly the same)
RM-X38 wired remote, it appears that there are 3 wire connections (this
agrees with the 3 conductor miniplug on the wired remotes' connection). One
is for ground/sheild and the other two are for signal.
It will take a little more looking into, to find which wires are the right
ones in the C90 and in the X4S/X2S agree with one another, BUT if David was
correct in thinking these wires would work the SAME as the other units then
it would work.
There is always the small caution that it might not be exactly the same
resistance selections on the C90 as on the X4S/X2S using units. For example
the X1S that was used in older units like the XK-R100 is completely
incompatible with the X2S/X4S and vice versa. (Incidentally the X2S and X4S
themselves are nearly IDENTICAL to one another and are completely
cross-compatible). Another example is the X38 from the MDX-400. Plugging
an X2S/X4S into the remote jack on the 400's tuner/pre-amp results in a
remote which works but the commands are completely messed up and not all
commands are available). This may not be the case with the C90 however, and
it may use the exact same resistance values as the X4S/X2S and it may work
out fine.
I'd suggest trying to do a little more research though. If you have an
X2S/X4S remote handy it would be especially helpful in determining how to
make the connection and if it would work 100% correctly or not.
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1@hotmail.com>
FYI, works fine in my car BTW :)
David Kennedy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
>Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:54:01 -0500
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
>
>
>So could I still just cut the wires and make it work as you mentioned
>below?
>
>
>Thanks, Mike
>
Okay I have to apologise... The resistor-ladder "protocol" that the X2S and
X4S use is NOT SIRCS and isn't related to SIRCS (it might get changed to
SIRCS inside the HU though as that is the internal command protocol of
nearly all Sony electronics--but this is besides the point). I guess I just
got confused between SIRCS and the system used by the wired remote
commanders.
So forget about anything I said about SIRCS. However I was correct in
remember that someone did say something about the wired remote commander
cable/connector for the C90 being capable of carrying the other remote
signals.
If you check out this link to a previous Matronics/XDP list mail sent by
David Kennedy you will see what he said about the connector:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=2398318?KEYS=wire
d_remote?LISTNAME=XDP4000X?HITNUMBER=24?SERIAL=12101826578?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
I'm not sure whether he was right or not, but if you look at the other
emails sent from the same person you will see that he made his own custom
remote control system somehow for the C90 using the connector so I'd imagine
he knew something about it. Unfortunately, however, the site he linked to
with the pics is not coming up anymore :(
There may still be hope for you to connect the GMSW1 then, through the wires
David spoke of above...
Roland M.
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