---------------------------------------------------------- XDP4000X-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/14/04: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:03 AM - Re: Any C90 + XT40v users? (Roland M) 2. 02:28 AM - Re: Using Fiber Optic Input (Roland M) 3. 02:43 AM - Re: Using Fiber Optic Input (Roland M) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Any C90 + XT40v users? (Drem Z) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:34 AM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Any C90 + XT40v users? --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >From: "Woudsma, Mark" >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com >To: "'xdp4000x-list@matronics.com'" >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Any C90 + XT40v users? >Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:53:00 -0700 > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark" > > > Mark, a little OT here but just curious about your email address... I just noticed it is "@am.sony.com"--do you work for Sony or is this some kind of Sony internet or email service or perhaps a domain used by a non-Sony 3rd party? Just wondering... Roland M. Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:58 AM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Using Fiber Optic Input --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Drem Z" > >Hey all, > >Anyway, I was wondering if using the aux adapter >(called the U30 or U300 or 300A or something like that, right?) That would be XA-300 ;) >if you could >select your aux input but have the audio input from the changer fiber optic >input? Anything at all to make the PS2 work fiberoptically with my 4KX is >what I'm after. I don't think that is possible, sadly :( Because the AUX adapter itself behaves as a CD changer but in "AUX" mode. That is the HU will show "CDx" (depeding on where it gets assigned on the bus the x will differ, and it will differ depending on the AUX input as in CD1=AUX1, CD2=AUX2, etc.); and the HU will show AUX1/2/3 or something similar, instead of the time/text display you would get if playing back a CD. The problem occurs right at that point. Since the XA-300 (or previous XA-107) acts as a CD changer, it also must send over UniLink the audio "mode" the "changer" is set to. Since there are no optical input/switching facilities in the XA-300 it is, of course, set permanently as being in "analog" mode. This is exactly the same as if you had connected 3 changers, all with no digital output to speak of--they are permanently in analog "mode" and therefore the XDP will not accept input on the toslink for those changers. Unless you can somehow modify the information telling the HU that the audio mode is "digital" then it can't be done :( >If anyone knows how to do it then please share, otherwise >I'll just have to cheese it. (How you ask? By using a fiber-optic >combiner >and putting a CD with a blank track into the player on repeat when I want >to >use the PS2 is my idea). Cheese it eh? LOL :D Isn't that what Bender says when he means "run like heck"? :P Ah, you gotta love Bender--"Bite my shiny metal ass!" hee hee. Okay enough with the Futurama... Unfortunately, and I *hate* to break it to you, that idea won't work either! :( This is because whenever the CDX unit has it's mechanism active (as in even when it is moving to seek a new disc or reading a disc at all, blank or not; or even that very short time when the disc is *spinning down* when you de-select the changer) the optical output (the red light) will be ON. If that light is on and the PS2's output is also on, you will get a mute. There will be no proper/understandable signal for the XDP (or any D/A for that matter) to lock onto--this is a DIN UNLOCK situation. The fact is you must completely isolate the output from the changer to get the output from the PS2 to work, and vice versa. If your PS2 is powered on and its output on (red light on) the CD changer's output will then become garble (to the D/A) and you'll get nothing. A passive splitter/combiner will NOT provide this facility :( You'll either have to use a manual switcher (either the passive push-button type or far more expensive active electronic type) or build/find an active switcher with priority for one input over another (that way you could put the PS2 on the "priority" input and whenever it is on it will "take over", when it is off it will switch to the changer). Roland M. > >-Drem > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:28 AM PST US From: "Roland M" Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Using Fiber Optic Input --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" > > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Drem Z" > > > >Hey all, > > > >Anyway, I was wondering if using the aux adapter > >(called the U30 or U300 or 300A or something like that, right?) > >That would be XA-300 ;) > > >if you could > >select your aux input but have the audio input from the changer fiber >optic > >input? Anything at all to make the PS2 work fiberoptically with my 4KX >is > >what I'm after. > >I don't think that is possible, sadly :( [...] You know I was thinking about this again and remembered that the XA-300 does have a digital input but it isn't of the S/PDIF variety. AUX IN 3 is a USB input, which acts as a USB Sound Device, for a PC... However, I highly doubt the PS2 is compatible with such devices through its USB port (I mean in any other application it would be 100% pointless for the PS2 to have support for this as it already has its own analog and digital outs). Still even then you'd be using the D/A in the XA-300 and not the XDP unit, so using the PS2s analog out is probably just as good unless you're experiencing ground loop problems, excess interference or something of the like, with the PS2 installation. Well kind of a moot point, but just an observation/mention in case anyone was wondering if the USB input on the XA-300 would be of any use in this or other situations. As an aside, other than a laptop or an in-car PC what use does this input have? Can HDD or solid-state based MP3 players like the Ipod, etc. stream audio to a USB sound device? I wouldn't think so because they aren't USB hub/hosts I don't think, right? Are there any other uses for the USB input besides a PC/Laptop? Roland M. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:39 AM PST US From: "Drem Z" Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: RE: Any C90 + XT40v users? --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Drem Z" ... in response to Roland M. >You are talking about the AUX input on the 40V, correct? Correct. >And not on an XA-107 or XA-300? Nope. >In that case it sounds to me like the AUX input is working correctly. >There should be analog RCAs going from the TV tuner to the XDPs SLAVE >analog input. But wouldn't you have to have it setup that way to get audio >from the TV tuner? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something? You got that all right. I dont use the TV tuner though, I cannot tune in a single local station with it, and I just got it to have TV integrated with the C90/4000x combo. BUT, when I did input the PS2 audio/video into the Aux on the XT40V I got serious noise, so I have to bypass the XT40V in the audio portion and just input it straight to the XDP Slave/Changer input to keep it noise-free. The video from the PS2 still, of course, goes to the XT40V and then to the TV. >Do you mean that when you have analog RCAs connected from the TV tuners >output to the XDP's Slave input you get no audio when inputting something >to the AUX input on the TV tuner? If that is the case then yes it isn't >working correctly. Yes, that is correct. I don't get audio initially from either setup (either inputting through the Aux XT40V input and then to the XDP Changer input (and getting an awful noise floor) OR bypassing the XT40V and connecting the RCAs from the PS2 directly to the XDP Changer/Slave input. To get audio in either instance, I have to hit MENU on my Remote, go to Source Select Edit and then change the AUDIO source to either CD or CD to Aux again - When I choose CD, the XDP seems to look for audio on the XDPs Changer/Slave input even though I DO NOT have a changer. In case you didn't get what I'm saying here, to put it clear: When I am listening to a CD in CD mode, or the Radio in Radio mode... let's say I want to now watch a movie on the PS2. I press the Source button on my C90 until I get to the XT40V. Now I press MODE until I get to the Auxilary Input. Now I get PS2 Video but NO sound. I press MENU on my remote and go to the Source Select Edit and change my AUDIO source in that menu once or twice (doesn't matter, starts working after I attempt to change it, whether I leave it on CD or change it back to ---). Did that help? >As for the hiss/signal loss, I'm thinking you might have some sort of a ground loop issue between the TV tuner and the PS2. This often occurs when you use inverters (probably how you're powering the PS2?). Yes to the inverter question. >Why it doesn't happen with the XDP but does happen with the TV tuner, well >that's as mysterious as why you get ground loops in the first place, lol. >Perhaps your TV tuner has a defect though, I'm not sure. Because if you >did have a TV tuner and an analog CD changer and you needed to get audio >from the TV tuner, the changer would have to go through the TV tuner no >matter what. I don't have a changer, just my PS2, the XT40V, XDP and C90. -Drem